I wanna pay down a HELOC with a 401K loan.

i did mention that the 9% interest goes back into MY account? So i'm only charging myself
Link. You pay back using after-tax money.

I'm not that money savvy, so feel free to correct me. A $46k 5yr loan at 9% APR would require a payment of $954.88 per month. Over 60 months that is $57,293.06 to pay off the loan.

Looks like, assuming a static 9% growth in the market, the $954.88 payment would yield $72,021 after the last payment. Just leaving the $46k in to earn at 9% yields about the same amount (actually slightly less), so it does look like near net sum zero.

If you are in the 22% tax bracket, assuming that you worked a few extra hours each week and took home a bit more money to pay for this loan (thus using your marginal rate), this would require $73,452.64 of additional income to make this $57k payback (Uncle Sam gets the $16k difference) (and I'm not including state income tax). Now if you were just doing without someplace else, say cutting vacations, cutting cable, whatever, then no extra loss to Uncle Sam, and perhaps a net win for you. If you wind up cutting back on your 401k contribution instead, so as to free up this money, you increase your taxable money in the process, so... it gets very case specific.

So this sounds like it might work to me. You should set up a spreadsheet and run the numbers. Set up two budgets and two 401k scenarios, and see what comes ahead of the other. Or makes you sleep better at night. [I hear some use 8% for stock market growth, others 9%--but that's looking at the S&P 500. If you have a retirement target index fund, or a mix of bonds in there, your growth rate could be lower, and you should make sure to use the rate that your portfolio is growing at, or the rate of the holding you are selling/buying for this endeavor.] Predicting your future income might be as hard as predicting the stock market but it is something only you can put numbers to.

Locking in the APR might make you sleep better at night, and a net savings over time, and perhaps increase your wealth. But it has the risk of potentially needing to pay back the 401k if you change jobs, else risking a 10% penalty on top of it now becoming taxable income. BUT... since this $46k loan won't make the HELOC go away, and you get stuck carrying both for a period of time, this sounds like something rather stressful. Can you carry both loans, and this is just an attempt to maximize your money? If so, then I think you are stuck running the math to determine so. It's the generic case that most of us are reacting to, in that for the average person this is a terrible idea, for a number of reasons. If this is just a matter of, you have the income, but maybe if you play this money hack, perhaps you can get ahead... it's an interesting case to ponder.

Since this $46k loan won't erase the $62k HELOC, what is the plan for the $12k left in that? Just pay the interest portion for the next 5 years, or whittle it down slowly each month with some pocket money on top of the interest, or figure out how to knock that out quickly and get to just the 401k loan as soon as possible? That would be details to put into those budgets, and you may wind up with multiple scenarios for you to chose from.
 
I'd keep the heloc, pay $1300 a month, you are paid off in 5 years. Less if you pay more.

A loan on the 401 won't have a penalty, but you may have to take that amount of money from an investment fund, and move it into a cash 401 account, so you would lose the gains in the market on the 46k of moved funds.
 
I'd keep the heloc, pay $1300 a month, you are paid off in 5 years. Less if you pay more.

A loan on the 401 won't have a penalty, but you may have to take that amount of money from an investment fund, and move it into a cash 401 account, so you would lose the gains in the market on the 46k of moved funds.
No, It goes from my 401K to my bank checking account, not to a cash 401 account.
 
No, It goes from my 401K to my bank checking account, not to a cash 401 account.
I didn't mean the loan money. It's probably different from company to company. When i inquired with my 403b account, they wanted the amount i was borrowing against moved from a mutual fund, to the 403b ( in your case 401k) fixed interest cash account. It was so the collateral would not fluctuate with the market. I didn't do it.
 
In 2007 one of my coworkers borrowed $20,000 from his 401K to buy a camper, and I thought what and idiot. The market crashed in 2008 and went sideways for a while, so I believe the loan was to his benefit. My thought since seeing this is if you borrow from your 401K and the market declines, you're a genius, but if it gains while you have money out, you're a moron.
 
I was in the same situation I just used the rental income plus $200 a month and paid the loan. It was a long term investment made zero money for 9 years. But now it's $3300 a month income be patient stay the course don't borrow from the retirement account
 
Its a terrible idea imo.
It depends. If the loan results in no growth/interest, that’s one thing. Some will at least pay something akin to a decent money market, so right now it’s like paying yourself back with interest. Some might be more like margin where you pay nominal interest but then keep the growth. OP needs to indicate the terms.
 
As you know, the downside is the loss of interest on the amount withdrawn. It that amount $450/mo? I'm guessing no possibly way, especially with the downturn in the economy.
No, in my earlier posts, I stated that it's around 450 a check, not monthly. Also, I spoke to a Vanguard rep and he said that the balance STAYS the same! It does not drop if I take out! E,G, if I had 100k and I took out 70k, I would still be making money as if I had 100K, because it's a loan, not a withdrawal. Plus, I was thinking, I will be taxed on about 950 a month less on my paychecks.
 
No, in my earlier posts, I stated that it's around 450 a check, not monthly. Also, I spoke to a Vanguard rep and he said that the balance STAYS the same! It does not drop if I take out! E,G, if I had 100k and I took out 70k, I would still be making money as if I had 100K, because it's a loan, not a withdrawal. Plus, I was thinking, I will be taxed on about 950 a month less on my paychecks.
Fascinating!

So you really aren’t using your money
 
No, in my earlier posts, I stated that it's around 450 a check, not monthly. Also, I spoke to a Vanguard rep and he said that the balance STAYS the same! It does not drop if I take out! E,G, if I had 100k and I took out 70k, I would still be making money as if I had 100K, because it's a loan, not a withdrawal. Plus, I was thinking, I will be taxed on about 950 a month less on my paychecks.
That's interesting. I am not sure that is how it works, but it would be way cool if it was. I still think it the money out is money not there in the market, perhaps the rep is thinking that the interest you pay makes up for it? otherwise everyone would pull money out and get ahead...

Your thread has me thinking about doing likewise, pull some money out of my 401k so as to buy a car. Not convinced I'll go that way, but it's an interesting thought all the same.
 
No, in my earlier posts, I stated that it's around 450 a check, not monthly. Also, I spoke to a Vanguard rep and he said that the balance STAYS the same! It does not drop if I take out! E,G, if I had 100k and I took out 70k, I would still be making money as if I had 100K, because it's a loan, not a withdrawal. Plus, I was thinking, I will be taxed on about 950 a month less on my paychecks.
You should call again and talk to a different rep, seems very unlikely that your money being loaned to you also stays invested.

You should be paying the loan back with after tax dollars, not pre-tax dollars as well, regardless of whether it is a traditional 401k or a roth 401k.
 
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