I Made It Too 343,000 Miles Without Auto-Rx (But)

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My 1983 Chevrolet El Camino with a 305 V-8 made it too 343,000 miles without Auto-Rx. Here is a history of the oil's I used when I bought the car with 25,000 miles:

1) 25,000 too 200,000 miles Mobil 1 Synthetic
2) 200,000 miles too 343,000 miles Amsoil Synthetic

I should also note that I changed the oil and oil filter every 3000 miles.

This is what I did at 340,000 miles:

1) I changed the intake manifold and it was spotless in the lifter valley area.
2) I changed the oil pump

When we went to prime the oil pump it took a long time to build up pressure, my buddy said you have some junk in the engine. When we took the oil pan off to get to the oil pump everything looked clean inside.

3) Took the valve covers off and changed the rocker arms and pushrods since 1 of the pushrods was badly worn and just barely touching the rocker arm. With the valve covers off the valvetrain looked clean.

From 25,000 miles until 343,000 miles this car had synthetic oil in it, so for 318,000 miles it had synthetic oil and not dino oil, this is what the car did:

1) Leaked Oil
2) Lifter noise or we can call it a lifter tick
3) Blew smoke on startup
4) Consuming some oil

I did Auto-Rx and these problems went away. It is obvious that:

1) The rings were packed with some crud
2) Maybe some hardened valve seals
3) Oil passages were clogged somewhat

I cannot tell you how much oil I added over the years before Auto-Rx.

The truth is, yes you can make it too 200,000 or 300,000 without Auto-Rx, but I can say that this engine now runs better at 364,000 miles than it ever did before.

Before Auto-Rx it was sluggish until it warmed up, now when I start out it has power like it is warmed up.

Before Auto-Rx my Dad drove the car and said get a new car or a new engine, after Auto-Rx he drove the car and thought I put a new engine in.

It is important to realize that junk in your engine builds up over time and miles. I was using Mobil 1 starting back in 1985 when the majority of the people were using dino oil and I then went to Amsoil synthetic, this engine should not have had any junk in it at 343,000 miles.

I should also point out that the person I bought the car from showed me receipts from the dealer that he had his oil changed every 3000 miles.

If you use Auto-Rx you will have that new engine feeling for a very long time. Frank promised me my engine would run better and he has not lied too me.
 
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I've got a 1986 VW jetta with almost 340k on it. It has seen 3-5k oil changes with whatever conventional oil is on sale and mostly Fram filters.

It is running perfect.(no smoke on start up, runs full power, no noises) Uses about 4-6oz of oil per OCI, no leaks (it leaked at the valve cover about 3 years ago replaced the gasket, clean under and around the head area) and passes California dyno smog with flying colors.

Other than Belt changes, oil changes, air filters, spark plugs and fuel filters that is all that has been done. Never had an injector off, same water pump.

It busted a clutch cable last year and that was the 1st time it has been towed.

Bottom line, you don't need Syn or additives to make high miles (anything over 250k in my book is high mileage)

I also have a 1982 SR5 truck with 300k, a 1993 Caravan with well over 200k, 1996 C1500 truck with 250k, 1978 F250 with over 200k, etc. All my vehicles are either in my family or I've started with them and seel them to friends so I can keep track of progress.

Take care, bill
 
Bill in Utah, like you, I did the other required maintenance. These are some of the things I did:

1) New air filter every year
2) New PCV every year
3) New spark plugs every year
4) New fuel filter every year
5) New cap, rotor and wires every 50,000 miles

It is also nice to know that if you use Auto-Rx you are not going to hurt your engine. There are only positives too using Auto-Rx and absolutely no negatives.
 
Originally Posted By: c3po
Bill in Utah, like you, I did the other required maintenance. These are some of the things I did:

1) New air filter every year
2) New PCV every year
3) New spark plugs every year
4) New fuel filter every year
5) New cap, rotor and wires every 50,000 miles

It is also nice to know that if you use Auto-Rx you are not going to hurt your engine. There are only positives too using Auto-Rx and absolutely no negatives.


c3Ppo discussing ARX in every post =
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Originally Posted By: c3po
It is also nice to know that if you use Auto-Rx you are not going to hurt your engine. There are only positives too using Auto-Rx and absolutely no negatives.
Some would consider spending $$$ for additives that are not needed to be negative.

Or spending $$$ for oil that is not needed to obtain 300+k.

Or changing oil every 3k is negative since it is a waste of most oils, esp syn.

Back to our regular scheduled programming....
 
I digress, but...

Bill, isn't road salt used in Utah?

If so, how do you keep your vehicles solid for 20+ years?

I know, I know, we've discussed salt and rust in other threads. I am just impressed that you can keep a car for over 20 years driving on road salt.
 
Bill, did you do all that mileage on those vehicles? If so, unless you gave them to another high mile commuter, that's 1.29 MILLION miles since 1978. That's 65k ..or 13-20 oil changes every year for the past 30 years.

Amazing..
 
c3po, I agree with your mind set. Bill, I am happy you find no need to run ARX, but find you to be the exception. Perhaps your stable of high mileage vehicles see alot of easy highway miles and that is a great thing for engine longevity, not to mention chassis, etc.

But I do alot of city driving and alot of short trip driving. I too prefer dino oils, but find that even with 3500 mile OCI's my motors were far from spoltless. I guess that means I must be in the mode of severe driving conditions. I have observed a noticeable spike in mileage and overall motor quietness, especially when cold from an ARX cleaning and rinse, and now on the maintenance dose. This 4.8 liter V-8 has only 53K on it.
 
Originally Posted By: ryansride2017
Depends how big is family is. If there is 5 drivers in his family, 65K miles per year isn't much at all.


It's Utah so 10 is the minimum.
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Originally Posted By: ryansride2017
Depends how big is family is. If there is 5 drivers in his family, 65K miles per year isn't much at all.


No, it would be a stretch for 5 people in the same family. But Bill has done this personally, or so I believe. About 1.25 million miles. Now I'll assume that somewhere he got an education and took a bit of time to find whatever job he has that's remained constant for a majority of his lifetime ..but even if he started at 16 and never looked back ..and was due to retire today ..it would be around 25k a year for 49 years.

That is absolutely exceptional in any way you measure it. One in one million people (outside of OTR truck driving or motor coach ..maybe a life time cab driver) would fall into that level of service.

It's like being a sub jack pot lottery winner.
 
I want to thank everyone for the feedback, if my post sounded like pro Auto-Rx, I wanted to point a few things about the people who are against using Auto-Rx.

I can honestly say that before I did that oil pump change at 340,000 miles or so I would have been against using Auto-RX. I was under the impression that if you used Mobil 1 or Amsoil you did not need to add anything to your oil.

I am hoping that these negative responses to Auto-Rx are not because you do not like Frank because he said something to upset you in anyway.

Before using Auto-Rx I contacted Gary Allan, since I used Amsoil, and he was an Amsoil rep, he told me it was a good product just like he told me about another oil additive that began with a C, and he told me he thought it did not work. Gary is someone who has a lot more knowledge about engine oil topics than I do, so I took his advice.

I am not Frank's personal robot and have never been compensated in anyway. I agree with Frank on a lot of things, but I do disagree with him in 1 area. Frank likes Wal-Mart Super Tech with a Maintenance Dose of Auto-Rx.

I like Pennzoil Platinum or Amsoil XL with a Maintenance Dose of Auto-Rx. But I do not chase him all over the board and tell him he is wrong to recommend Wal-Mart Super Tech, he is allowed too recommend whatever oil he wants just like I can choose any oil I want.

Everything I post on here are my own observations, and they seem to support that Auto-Rx works and can save you money.

I have an Amsoil Dealer in my area that has a 1986 Chevy Astro Van that he replaced his engine on at 401,000 miles. He showed me pictures of the inside of the engine when he had a head gasket replaced at 250,000 miles, it looked spotless inside.

He told me that at 300,000 miles it started smoking, using oil, and loosing some power. His engine was spotless, since he used Amsoil, how could this be happening. This happened because:

1) Rings had junk on it
2) Valve Seals were shot or hardened

Auto-Rx would have prevented both of these scenarios in my opinion. I will gladly give anyone on here the Amsoil reps phone number if you want and I will get his website if there is anyone who wants to ask him any questions.
 
Originally Posted By: BearZDefect
I digress, but...

Bill, isn't road salt used in Utah?

If so, how do you keep your vehicles solid for 20+ years?

I know, I know, we've discussed salt and rust in other threads. I am just impressed that you can keep a car for over 20 years driving on road salt.


We have the best salt since it is very easy to get (great salt lake).
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Also in other threads, you'll see my comments about the toyota pretty well rusted out. The others have some rust. We use the quarter car wash a lot here. :2cents:

The 78 F250 has rust on the bed and has been fixed a few times.

The 86 Jetta is rust free except the lower windshield frame when some idiot who replaced it scratched the frame installing / removing the WS. Its pretty bad but my sister in law is not going to fix it as the car is a few years old.

Gary, We have gone around and around how how the miles add up. I'm not going to get into it again since you seem to forget.

Since it seems that if a member posts something and it is not about selling/buying a certain product, you are "challenged" about the data.

But it is OK to just post use this brand and all is well period.

Whatever.

I know what has been done on vehicles that I've discussed over the years on this board. The data and miles ARE what I say.

What am I gaining by posting my experiences? I don't sell anything.

This board used to be about facts. Now more it is about pushing certain products. Either by justifying how much you spent or posting XXX brand in most of your posts.

I don't need to sell anything or justify spending money. (I've don't enough of that since I got here and it has not done anything or for me personally)
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I've spent the $$ on oils and UOAs to prove (or see if) there is a better way and get fought every step.

I'm here to share and help out others. I guess that is not needed here or wanted.

I see others post UOAs using conventional oils that are as good or better than the syn oil they were using with lower costs and don't see them "challanged".

Sorry to go off here folks, but its getting old trying to defend using normal oil and following common OCIs. And getting long life with the power trains.

Bill
 
Originally Posted By: TaterandNoodles
Originally Posted By: ryansride2017
Depends how big is family is. If there is 5 drivers in his family, 65K miles per year isn't much at all.


It's Utah so 10 is the minimum.
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Never heard that one...
 
I agree, it seems this forum has become an Auto-Rx and Amsoil marketing infomercial....if not from the sellers of the product, then from their cheerleaders. What became of the BITOG homepage statement of purpose "Bobistheoilguy is not about selling you something" ????? Just watch how fast one or more of them {or their cheerleaders} read this and post their reply
 
Originally Posted By: qship1996
I agree, it seems this forum has become an Auto-Rx and Amsoil marketing infomercial....if not from the sellers of the product, then from their cheerleaders. What became of the BITOG homepage statement of purpose "Bobistheoilguy is not about selling you something" ????? Just watch how fast one or more of them {or their cheerleaders} read this and post their reply


BINGO..I know many members that have been banned for this..If I do not post anymore, this is the reason why....So F'ing sad..
 
I've never been told to buy something by anyone on here. I've been given recommendations. Whether or not I use those recommendations is up to me.
 
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Gary, We have gone around and around how how the miles add up. I'm not going to get into it again since you seem to forget.

Since it seems that if a member posts something and it is not about selling/buying a certain product, you are "challenged" about the data.

But it is OK to just post use this brand and all is well period.

Whatever.

I know what has been done on vehicles that I've discussed over the years on this board. The data and miles ARE what I say.



BILL ...BILL ...BILL ...BILL..

Did I once say that I doubt your assertions? Show me where I've ever said that you're a liar. Where is it??

The only thing I've EVER said is that you're SO WAY OUT EXCEPTIONAL ..that there's no way that you or anyone can compare your results to a common driver. There's no way that you can make that assertion that "just look what I've done ..copy me ..and you'll have good fortune too".

Really now. Read before you shoot from the hip.
 
I agree with what Buffman has said, this is just a recomendation. I would bet that everyone on here probably does not have the knowledge, tools, or any other equipment too replace:

1) Valve Seals
2) Rear Main Seals
3) Oil Pan seals
4) Any parts in an engine lubricated by motor oil

I am just trying to make things easier for you guys, if you can replace everything on an automobile engine, then maybe Auto-Rx is not for you.

I made up my own mind to try Auto-Rx, again I am just relating my observations from using Auto-Rx. I am in no way telling you too buy this product.
 
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