I JUST DON'T GET IT!

[LS2JSTS]

Originally Posted By: heavyhitter
Im not cheap and I dont cheap out on anything but why pay more if you don't have too?

Right now a have a whole box of PureONE, WIX, and K&N oil filters. Finding them on sale and stocking up I paid $1.50 on the K&N's and less than $3.00 for the WIX and PureONE.

I have MANY 5qt and single qt's of QS Horsepower, Valvoline Synthetic, PP, and Castrol Edge I paid $2 or LESS a quart for these oils.

Ask yourself would you rather use a Name Brand synthetic and a quality filter for LESS than a House Brand dino oil and a Fram?

I sure would and I do. Am I cheap? No. But I do spend my money wisely.



OK, you and I, maybe we aren't cheap. Would you cop to "Frugal"?

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: SHAMUS
I stand by my belief that bragging about putting cheap stuff in an expensive vehicle is

You can stand by your beliefs ; I stand by facts.

If it's your belief that you must use 5 dollar a quart synthetic motor oil to make your average passenger car engine last a long time and perform perfectly, EVEN under extreme conditions, then you're wrong.

 

[SHAMUS]

Okay, no arguement. And yes, I am not necessarily speaking just about dollars and cents, but quality; often - they do go together! With rare exception, great bargins are for oils of minimum quality, or perhaps, substandard regardless of how labeled.

 

[doitmyself]

I JUST DON'T GET IT!

A HIGHLY TRAINED, PROFESSIONAL IDIOT


At least nobody here is arguing these facts!

 

[Drew99GT]

Given the SM GF-4 oil specification, could you point us to a substandard SM/GF-4 oil?

Supertech? Substandard? I believe it's one of the cheapest regular priced oils you can buy. Plenty of people have gone hundreds of thousands of miles on the stuff.

What is substandard to you?

And then we have the evidence that Mobil 1 failed basic SM/GF-4 testing (gee, when are they going to sue Valvolien and Castrol - still waiting), and it's the most expensive OTC oil on average.

See what I mean? This is a straw man argument when you don't discuss specific products. Especially the argument that more money = better quality. For many products these days, when you pay more, you're bending over more and getting less.

 

[Rand]

First off we DO have a oil sale forum section.. maybe the moderators should move/delete every out of forum topic?

I have yet to start an "on sale" topic anyone except the oil deal forum section.

my next 6 oil changes are going to cost me an average of 7$ including an oil filter (oem hyundai or pure 1)

what horrible garbage am I going to use?

PP, and castrol edge.. it must be garbage if I got it for that cheap right???

just some people dont know how to post on a forum.. has nothing to do with this post.
they should just go watch

http://tinyurl.com/27a4q5

 

[HM12460]

i don't like crawling under my trucks to drop the oil filter and pan drain plug so i use amsoil sso in both and just climb under there 1x a year now. works for me.

 

[SHAMUS]

Many years ago, Consumer Reports did a test of off the shelf oils, using many different brands. In their tests, if I recall correctly, only the Pennzoil meet the SAE standards they all claimed to meet. Now granted, this test was a long time ago (70's/80's ???) but it stuck with me that just because they claim to meet requirements - does not mean that they actually do, even today. Not everyone submits a UOA on every oil they use, or at all.

 

[LS2JSTS]

Enough UOA's are reported on various lots of different oil on this forum so as to make your point essentially moot. I think the quality of oil in general has improved markedly since the 70's. Although a LOT of SA rated oil still gets used in this country. I always wonder where that stuff is going, but I'm confident it isnt going into my Edge/PP/GC bottles...IMO

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: SHAMUS
Many years ago, Consumer Reports did a test of off the shelf oils, using many different brands. In their tests, if I recall correctly, only the Pennzoil meet the SAE standards they all claimed to meet. Now granted, this test was a long time ago (70's/80's ???) but it stuck with me that just because they claim to meet requirements - does not mean that they actually do, even today. Not everyone submits a UOA on every oil they use, or at all.
All the reason to use a Small company like Amsoil/Red Line which puts great care into their product. JMO

 

[Audi Junkie]

I've changed oil three times while you guys were wasting time arguing.

 

[JohnBrowning]

If someone wants to spend a lot of money I do not mind it since it is not my money they are spending. I like to point out though that their are some synthetics that are true bargains like M1 0W40 as compared to say Amsoil in terms of pricing. I like to have options and I like to give other people options as well.


The MBA in me likes to think in terms of marginal return on investment. So I cannot see spending $14 a quart for Motul 300V for a 6 month OCI that I might get anywhere from 1500 miles to just over 10K miles on when a $6 a quart oil will do the job. I especialy like to make sure people understand that few of us need to spend $14 a quart for oil when $6 a quart oil will do the job nicely. Their are applications that need a more expensive oil but they are few and far between!

Same thing goes for filtration! Until you step up to true bypass filtration spending a lot of money on an full flow oil filter for something that will not see more then 10K miles per OCI is kind of silly!

In my 2003 Camry M1 0W40 does so well that even if I ran Redline or Motul 300V their is just not enough room for improvment to justify the cost difference.I would be spending extra money for no gain in utility. If I was going to track the car then I could see the added expense.Also if I was going to do Extended Drains of 12 months I could again see the added cost in both oil and filtration!

So for me I would never get upset with someone but would definately point out that they could get just as good of results for a lot less money!

I am not stingy or cheap but I do try not to over spend since I do not have full time employment money is tight and I am going to college so time is tight!I do not even pay attention to people that brag about how cheap they got their oil really. We do not get the $0.49 cent discounted/rebated oil in Michigan like some of you guys get in other states and to be truth full dino does not appeal to me any ways!

 

[disturban]

Originally Posted By: HM12460
i don't like crawling under my trucks to drop the oil filter and pan drain plug so i use amsoil sso in both and just climb under there 1x a year now. works for me.
Ditto...I am using Mobil 1 EP and filter in my wifes truck as well as mine, cost $35 for oil $12 for filter, total $47 big deal! I do not drive that much so my truck see's an oil change once a year...she drives about 20 - 25k a year so I will need to do 2 oil changes a year on her truck...next change I am also going to run Amsoil sso and filter and change hers once a year as well. A local store sells amsoil for $11 a qt x 5 = $55 and $17 for the filter, total $72, crawling under that truck once a year = Priceless!!!

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:
Many years ago, Consumer Reports did a test of off the shelf oils, using many different brands. In their tests, if I recall correctly, only the Pennzoil meet the SAE standards they all claimed to meet. Now granted, this test was a long time ago (70's/80's ???) but it stuck with me that just because they claim to meet requirements - does not mean that they actually do, even today. Not everyone submits a UOA on every oil they use, or at all.

It is very ironic (at least to me)that you would use CR to make your point. I say that because the last test they conducted on motor oils was in the mid 90's on NYC taxi cabs. And what did they find, that it didn't make any difference what oil, brand, synthetic or dino, there were no major differences. The ONLY reason I bring up the CR test is because you brought up their testing of oils to make your point. I'm not talking about the validity of taxi cab testing, yada, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah. But apparently CR thought so much of that test, that to my knowledge, that is the very last test CR ever conducted on motor oils.

As I said in my post, if you choose to spend $10 a quart for motor oil, it's your money and your business, although I have no interest in doing that, it's cool with me. That said, to call someone crazy that looks for comparitive value in their motor oil and filter purchases only invites flame responses, IMO.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
If someone wants to spend a lot of money I do not mind it since it is not my money they are spending. I like to point out though that their are some synthetics that are true bargains like M1 0W40 as compared to say Amsoil in terms of pricing. I like to have options and I like to give other people options as well.

If you can find it... Up here it's a pain to find it and almost the same price as Amsoil up here so it isn't a bargain for us Canadians.

Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning

The MBA in me likes to think in terms of marginal return on investment. So I cannot see spending $14 a quart for Motul 300V for a 6 month OCI that I might get anywhere from 1500 miles to just over 10K miles on when a $6 a quart oil will do the job. I especialy like to make sure people understand that few of us need to spend $14 a quart for oil when $6 a quart oil will do the job nicely. Their are applications that need a more expensive oil but they are few and far between!

This site isn't about "Adequate" protection it's about the "Best" protection and some feel that is with the higher end oils. I tend to agree, if you use a recipe that contains high quality fluids, additives, and base stocks the result has to be a higher quality oil. The best for that application, who knows but it helps us oil nuts sleep better at night and/or it's a hobby of ours.

Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning

Same thing goes for filtration! Until you step up to true bypass filtration spending a lot of money on an full flow oil filter for something that will not see more then 10K miles per OCI is kind of silly!

I don't know why everyone doesn't use the more expensive filters on the market which offer excellent filtration and can be used for multiple OCI's (depending on the length) and can actually cost less over this time than a traditional filter.

Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning

In my 2003 Camry M1 0W40 does so well that even if I ran Redline or Motul 300V their is just not enough room for improvment to justify the cost difference.I would be spending extra money for no gain in utility. If I was going to track the car then I could see the added expense.Also if I was going to do Extended Drains of 12 months I could again see the added cost in both oil and filtration!

Glad you found something that works for you... Others my find a different formula which might include Amsoil or RedLine. Sure my Hyundai could use any oil off the shelf and live a long life, but it's fussy in cold weather so I have stepped up to Amsoil because it provides excellent wear protection and stops the lifter-ticking in the winter. There is no 1 best oil for everyone as everyone has different applications and different needs which warrant different oils, which IMO have their strengths for certain things.

Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning

So for me I would never get upset with someone but would definately point out that they could get just as good of results for a lot less money!

I am not stingy or cheap but I do try not to over spend since I do not have full time employment money is tight and I am going to college so time is tight!I do not even pay attention to people that brag about how cheap they got their oil really. We do not get the $0.49 cent discounted/rebated oil in Michigan like some of you guys get in other states and to be truth full dino does not appeal to me any ways!


That is fine that, that works for you but it doesn't for everyone.

I wasn't picking on your post John, but you raised a lot of good discussion areas so I thought I would hack it up and touch on each area. This post wasn't aimed at you...

 

[SHAMUS]

sayjac quote: That said, to call someone crazy that looks for comparitive value in their motor oil and filter purchases only invites flame responses, IMO.

In retrospect, I should have said that the practice, IMO - NOT the person, is

. To all on BITOG, I apologize for name calling.

 

[fdcg27]

Bryanccfshr,
We are in agreement,sir.
You can find a deal on the oil and filters you would like to use,and you need not use the really cheap stuff.
It is always nice to pay $1.00/quart for PP or $2.40/qt for M1, and after MIR, you can.
It's really just a matter of catching the deals when you can, and planning ahead.
No need to use "cheap" oil to save a few hard-earned dollars.

 

[crinkles]

i use middle of the road oil and buy when there are discounts going. i itch to use say only M1 0w-40 in my CAMRY BUT my logic angel on my shoulder says with the driving i do a SM GF4 10w30 is perfect at 5,000 mile intervals.