I hate new car driver aids

[PimTac]

Originally Posted by Rmay635703
Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by IMSA_Racing_Fan
These safety aids allow checking Facebook at 70 mph on the freeway and texting. Some safety aids.



No they don't. That's a insane statement to make.

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But that's the only reason people get "drivers aides"
The guy that sliced his TSLA in half was playing video games.


I personally find all drivers aids from Autopilot on down to Toyota and chevies versions extremely annoying at best.

Dangerous and useless at worst.

Honestly most of them don't belong in a car, a cell disrupter in every moving car would probably be the best driver aid





I guess I'm the outlier then.


Two incidents I've had since I bought the Mazda. A few days after we got it a USPS truck pulled out in front of me. I went to slam on the brakes but the car was already doing that for me. This was my first time experiencing the emergency braking feature. It saved us from colliding and worse.

The second incident was on a freeway to freeway interchange. I had checked the blind spot in my HUD and visually as well and all was clear. As I was moving to the left a car came out of nowhere at high speed. The system made both the audible and sensory alerts and I swerved back just in time. That car had to be doing 90 and was driving erratic. Had we collided Im sure it would have been very serious.

 

[antonmnster]

I like having a 2007 that has the things that are helpful but defeatable when desired. Sometimes a backup camera would be nice, but, meh.

I've only driven a car with adaptive cruise once, and I found it very unnerving. Actually, I hated it. I'd much rather have a well-placed and progressive stalk for the cruise and modulate the speed myself. I don't want to be chained to someone else's varying speed musings.

 

[Skippy722]

Originally Posted by Rmay635703


Honestly most of them don't belong in a car, a cell disrupter in every moving car would probably be the best driver aid


Cell jamming is highly illegal, for good reason.

What we lack is driver education. We need something beyond "drivers ed" which is only a crash course (

) in how to drive. I know people who failed their drivers tests 2-4 times before finally getting their license, that is terrifying given the ridiculous ease of those tests.

Drill it into people's minds that they are piloting 3,000-6,000lb+ metal missiles down the highway. Teach them how to handle their vehicles in the snow/rain, and how to recover from a slide. That's what my parents did with me. It taught me to respect the responsibility and PRIVILEGE of driving.

 

[Wolf359]

Originally Posted by antonmnster
I like having a 2007 that has the things that are helpful but defeatable when desired. Sometimes a backup camera would be nice, but, meh.

I've only driven a car with adaptive cruise once, and I found it very unnerving. Actually, I hated it. I'd much rather have a well-placed and progressive stalk for the cruise and modulate the speed myself. I don't want to be chained to someone else's varying speed musings.


Mercedes has had it for a long while. Their adaptive cruise has been getting better every few years even though it's been around since 2003 on the E class.

People tend to like cars that are loaded but don't like paying for all the options when buying them new. I just like the fact that when you buy a used car with all the options, they don't cost that much more than a car without them so you mind as well get it with the options than without. They're just more fun. You don't have to use them. My front/rear parking sensors also has a parking assistance mode that's supposed to help you parallel park. Never used it but still nice to have. Takes longer to figure out how to use it than to just actually do it. Many options are stand alone systems so when they break, you don't actually have to fix them.

Backup cameras aren't that big a deal these days, lots of aftermarket stereo systems have an option to add a camera to the screen.

 

[Lolvoguy]

Despite my dislike of most aids, I will admit, some of them certainly make driving easier (less stress means less fatigue and less accidents).

One of my favorites is auto dimming headlights. Had it on a 2019 Fusion Hybrid once.
As I was driving from evening to dusk the high beams AUTOMATICALLY flipped on, and as soon as oncoming traffic was detected (this was highway driving)
they automatically switched back to low.

Mind you, I hadn't once touched the exterior light switch from the time I picked up the car, so this was the most exciting new-car feature I ever experienced.

 

[Touring5]

The only new "aid" I've ever used was a backup camera in a loaner Subaru from the dealer. I was surprised how useful it was, but probably because it was a car I was unfamiliar with.

I despise all the "anti-collision" features that other cars have for 1 single reason: they've rendered my Valentine One into a practically useless paper weight.

 

[MCompact]

Originally Posted by Touring5
The only new "aid" I've ever used was a backup camera in a loaner Subaru from the dealer. I was surprised how useful it was, but probably because it was a car I was unfamiliar with.

I despise all the "anti-collision" features that other cars have for 1 single reason: they've rendered my Valentine One into a practically useless paper weight.


I'm trading my V1 in on a 2nd. Generation model once the COVID-19 hysteria calms down. It's supposed to ignore the Helen Keller "drivers aids" and it's also BT enabled.

Cue the tut-tutting from the lifetime members of the BITOG Safety Gestapo.

 

[ArrestMeRedZ]

Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by Touring5
The only new "aid" I've ever used was a backup camera in a loaner Subaru from the dealer. I was surprised how useful it was, but probably because it was a car I was unfamiliar with.

I despise all the "anti-collision" features that other cars have for 1 single reason: they've rendered my Valentine One into a practically useless paper weight.


I'm trading my V1 in on a 2nd. Generation model once the COVID-19 hysteria calms down. It's supposed to ignore the Helen Keller "drivers aids" and it's also BT enabled.

Cue the tut-tutting from the lifetime members of the BITOG Safety Gestapo.


I am really interested in how well this works. I do a lot of driving in the hinderlands of Nevada where the speed limit used to be unrestricted, and is now in place simply for revenue production. I've had to reduce my speed to 9 mph over or less, and a 7.5 hour trip now takes 8.5 to 9 hours.

I have no problem with the BIOTG SG as long as they use the turnouts provided for "slower traffic".

 

[Snagglefoot]

Rear cameras were developed for overweight boomers who don't have enough flexibility to turn and look backwards. Same thing for blind spot sensors. As for lane controls, it's for those who do a bit of napping while driving, something boomers tend to do once in a while.

 

[atikovi]

Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Rear cameras were developed for overweight boomers who don't have enough flexibility to turn and look backwards. Same thing for blind spot sensors. As for lane controls, it's for those who do a bit of napping while driving, something boomers tend to do once in a while.

More like for soccer moms driving big honking SUVs who were running over their kids while backing out of the driveway. They are now required safety equipment in cars just like airbags and TPMS.

 

[Skippy722]

Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by Touring5
The only new "aid" I've ever used was a backup camera in a loaner Subaru from the dealer. I was surprised how useful it was, but probably because it was a car I was unfamiliar with.

I despise all the "anti-collision" features that other cars have for 1 single reason: they've rendered my Valentine One into a practically useless paper weight.


I'm trading my V1 in on a 2nd. Generation model once the COVID-19 hysteria calms down. It's supposed to ignore the Helen Keller "drivers aids" and it's also BT enabled.

Cue the tut-tutting from the lifetime members of the BITOG Safety Gestapo.


Hondas kept setting off my Escort Passport 8500 x50. Replaced it with a Max 360 which has the arrows and GPS lock out and couldn't be happier!

 

[Wolf359]

Originally Posted by Touring5
The only new "aid" I've ever used was a backup camera in a loaner Subaru from the dealer. I was surprised how useful it was, but probably because it was a car I was unfamiliar with.

I despise all the "anti-collision" features that other cars have for 1 single reason: they've rendered my Valentine One into a practically useless paper weight.


It's funny how you despise the aids but the radar detector is an aid. Try driving without it. I've always drove without it. Makes you more alert. Don't speed when the sight lines aren't good, around curves, don't lead, etc. Oh and don't drive too fast. Haven't had a ticket in years. I remember a friend of mine who had one, detector went off and he said he it false alarms there all the time at that area. Cop was right there, he got a ticket. I guess they know the areas where it false alarms too. Gave him a false sense of security and he was driving fast for no particular reason.

Remember, be alert, the world needs more lerts.

 

[Ws6]

Mazda driver aids are very unobtrusive. I find them transparent until useful.

 

[MCompact]

Originally Posted by Wolf359

It's funny how you despise the aids but the radar detector is an aid. Try driving without it. I've always drove without it. Makes you more alert. Don't speed when the sight lines aren't good, around curves, don't lead, etc. Oh and don't drive too fast. Haven't had a ticket in years. I remember a friend of mine who had one, detector went off and he said he it false alarms there all the time at that area. Cop was right there, he got a ticket. I guess they know the areas where it false alarms too. Gave him a false sense of security and he was driving fast for no particular reason.

Remember, be alert, the world needs more lerts.


At a BMW CCA Tech event years ago an F4 pilot by the name of Clyde Romero(he was also a helicopter pilot in Vietnam) taught a seminar on how to drive fast and not get tickets. He opened with, "How many people here have a radar detector?" All hands were raised. He followed with, "How many people got a ticket within a month after buying it?" 90% of the hands were raised. Clyde emphasized a detector is just one tool in your arsenal. I used his techniques on the Louisville-Cincinnati run I made almost weekly in the early '80s- and never got a ticket, although I averaged 80 mph door to door despite the moronic 55 mph NMSL being in effect.
I want driving aids that do something I can't- like ABS or parking sensors. I can't control the braking at each individual wheel, or see what's out of sight but in front of my bumper.
Contrast that with blind spot monitoring or lane departure- those are crutches for the inattentive or inept.

 

[JohnG]

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Contrast that with blind spot monitoring or lane departure- those are crutches for the inattentive or inept.


Or those that like to text while driving. Same thing I guess.

 

[Skippy722]

Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by Wolf359

It's funny how you despise the aids but the radar detector is an aid. Try driving without it. I've always drove without it. Makes you more alert. Don't speed when the sight lines aren't good, around curves, don't lead, etc. Oh and don't drive too fast. Haven't had a ticket in years. I remember a friend of mine who had one, detector went off and he said he it false alarms there all the time at that area. Cop was right there, he got a ticket. I guess they know the areas where it false alarms too. Gave him a false sense of security and he was driving fast for no particular reason.

Remember, be alert, the world needs more lerts.


At a BMW CCA Tech event years ago an F4 pilot by the name of Clyde Romero(he was also a helicopter pilot in Vietnam) taught a seminar on how to drive fast and not get tickets. He opened with, "How many people here have a radar detector?" All hands were raised. He followed with, "How many people got a ticket within a month after buying it?" 90% of the hands were raised. Clyde emphasized a detector is just one tool in your arsenal. I used his techniques on the Louisville-Cincinnati run I made almost weekly in the early '80s- and never got a ticket, although I averaged 80 mph door to door despite the moronic 55 mph NMSL being in effect.
I want driving aids that do something I can't- like ABS or parking sensors. I can't control the braking at each individual wheel, or see what's out of sight but in front of my bumper.
Contrast that with blind spot monitoring or lane departure- those are crutches for the inattentive or inept.


This. Radar detectors don't make you immune, and watching traffic patterns only goes so far. I can't see the cop blasting radar hiding at the scales a half mile away, but my radar detector can.

But yes, ABS and stability control are great and I'd pay for those as options. I kind of miss my parking sensors, as I'm still getting used to how big my new truck is, but I don't miss the blind spot monitoring or emergency braking stuff. I could live without traction control though. I hate how it just cuts power.

 

[GZRider]

+1

Automotive technologies should enhance driver skill and vehicle performance, not act as electronic training wheels for those that never actually bothered learning to drive.

 

[samven]

I would not mind safety additions as long as the driver can disable them when wanted and that when they break or malfunction they dont disable my car or put it into some kind of limp mode. 2 things that people better realize as these things become more prevalent. 1 is that the car is monitoring every thing you do and if there is an accident or you are caught speeding it wont be long before LE will walk up to your car with a scanner and be able to read that history. Right now you have to sign up for it with your insurance company and voluntarily plug in but that wont last. 2 is that GPS knows what the speed limit is in most areas now so how will you feel when under the guise of safety your car will not exceed the speed limit no matter what you do.
The old joke about boiling a frog by turning up the heat slowly is true and we are the frog.

 

[glock19]

Unfortunately, radar detectors are illegal in VA and DC. In fact, they're only illegal in VA and DC.

 

[Nick1994]

Everyone complains about this stuff, but you can turn it off easily...

I have the blind spot alarms off, just the lights in the mirrors are turned on and it vibrates the steering wheel if someone is close and I change lanes.

I can easily turn off my lane departure assist, forward collision warning and braking, rear cross traffic warning, etc.