I hate new car driver aids

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Originally Posted by Alfred_B
I like the modern safety features. Wouldn't buy a car without them.



Same here. I believe they pay for themselves the first time they go into action.


As for inattentive drivers, that has been ongoing long before cell phones. Ladies applying lipstick while driving around with the choke pulled out was common back in the day.
 
I have no problem learning then using them. Different strokes for different folks, i guess.
 
The 1987 Porsche 930 Turbo was the anthesis of driver aided cars. There was not even ABS, you had to learn threshold braking in all conditions or suffer a guardrail kiss.

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My latest Focus wagon has no ABS or traction control and I haven't missed either at all. Its always faster to disable TC for autocross and I found it was also better to pull the ABS fuse as well as ABS doesn't like trail braking into corners with the rear inside tire up in the air....

My man!
 
I have no need for a sunroof or moonroof; the less hot sunlight coming into my car the better. I'll admit, with the poorer rear and side visibility in modern cars with the high safety-oriented beltlines, a rear view camera is getting to be essential. And power windows I like because you can roll down all the windows when you return to a hot car, drive for a few moments, and roll them all back up as you turn on the A/C.

Chirping at me because a door is not closed all the way is annoying. But then I remember my '84 Mercedes 280CE which did not have the chime to remind you that your headlights were still on when you shut off the engine. I left the lights on more than once and had to call AAA. That's a major feature.

But, despite all the things my new Android phone can do, I haven't "paired" it with the car. It would be a distraction. If someone calls me while I'm driving and it's crucial, or if I need to make a call, I pull over into a parking lot.
 
Yea [censored] technology and attempting to make things safer.

Just like another thread a few months ago, seems like everybody here hates anything EFI, F/I, or anything that requires electricity to power more than the head/tail bulbs and dash.
 
Originally Posted by IMSA_Racing_Fan
These safety aids allow checking Facebook at 70 mph on the freeway and texting. Some safety aids.



No they don't. That's a insane statement to make.

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This is a good topic for discussion. Generally I appreciate the newer safety features, especially when they are automatic. But some don't make sense.

Example: The Nissan "drive the car between two semi trucks on the freeway" feature. It requires some strange interaction:

1. Decide to use the feature while driving on the freeway.
2. Turn on the "drive between two semi trucks".
3. Take your hands off the steering wheel while going between the trucks.
4. Finish driving between the trucks.
5. Put your hands back on the steering wheel.

I don't get it. What if something happens and you need to swerve or brake? What if you go around a curve? Why take your hands off the wheel?

Maybe I just don't understand. Oh well.
 
Originally Posted by T-Bone
This is a good topic for discussion. Generally I appreciate the newer safety features, especially when they are automatic. But some don't make sense.

Example: The Nissan "drive the car between two semi trucks on the freeway" feature. It requires some strange interaction:

1. Decide to use the feature while driving on the freeway.
2. Turn on the "drive between two semi trucks".
3. Take your hands off the steering wheel while going between the trucks.
4. Finish driving between the trucks.
5. Put your hands back on the steering wheel.

I don't get it. What if something happens and you need to swerve or brake? What if you go around a curve? Why take your hands off the wheel?

Maybe I just don't understand. Oh well.


WTH are you talking about?
 
Originally Posted by IMSA_Racing_Fan
These safety aids allow checking Facebook at 70 mph on the freeway and texting. Some safety aids.


So in all the years before safety features became standard people weren't on their phones while driving?

You said it yourself, they're safety aids, not replacements.
 
Originally Posted by IMSA_Racing_Fan
The 1987 Porsche 930 Turbo was the anthesis of driver aided cars. There was not even ABS, you had to learn threshold braking in all conditions or suffer a guardrail kiss.


I owned one for many years, you better be able to drive it not just aim it. The bite was much worse than the bark in this case.
 
Originally Posted by Lolvoguy
Originally Posted by MCompact
My M235i does not have a single Helen Keller "driving aid"- thank goodness. And the stability control can be fully disabled.

It doesn't have ABS brakes?
heck, even my 32 year old e30 has that!


Of course it has ABS; I was referring to the nannies that are crutches for the inept- blind spot monitoring, lain keeping assistance, etc.
 
Originally Posted by IveBeenRued
Originally Posted by T-Bone
This is a good topic for discussion. Generally I appreciate the newer safety features, especially when they are automatic. But some don't make sense.

Example: The Nissan "drive the car between two semi trucks on the freeway" feature. It requires some strange interaction:

1. Decide to use the feature while driving on the freeway.
2. Turn on the "drive between two semi trucks".
3. Take your hands off the steering wheel while going between the trucks.
4. Finish driving between the trucks.
5. Put your hands back on the steering wheel.

I don't get it. What if something happens and you need to swerve or brake? What if you go around a curve? Why take your hands off the wheel?

Maybe I just don't understand. Oh well.


WTH are you talking about?


You've never seen those Nissan commercials on cable tv? It's like they market the car to brain dead "drivers" that shouldn't have a license in the first place.
 
I do have my phone paired in the three cars that have that capability; I almost never initiate a call but I do answer- all I need to do is push one button on the steering wheel to answer or hang up. The iDrive interface from @2014 on is also very intuitive if I do need to make a call.
What I really like is Siri Eyes Free- and my F22 is the only car that has that feature. One button press allows me to have any new text messages read to me and I can reply using the voice recognition capability. Very handy if I'm on an out of county assignment and my staff or a LEO needs to contact me ASAP.
 
Originally Posted by Kibitoshin
You've never seen those Nissan commercials on cable tv? It's like they market the car to brain dead "drivers" that shouldn't have a license in the first place.

Nope. I don't subscribe to legacy media. If you have a link to the ad, I'd be curious to see it.
 
Trying to fix stupid doesn't work; it generally seems to have the opposite effect.

Some driver aids, like blind spot monitoring, make sense in certain applications (like cargo vans), and stability control and ABS have saved my bacon several times.

But automated emergency braking, lane departure warning, and forward collision warning? Miss me with that.
 
Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by IMSA_Racing_Fan
These safety aids allow checking Facebook at 70 mph on the freeway and texting. Some safety aids.



No they don't. That's a insane statement to make.

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But that's the only reason people get "drivers aides"
The guy that sliced his TSLA in half was playing video games.


I personally find all drivers aids from Autopilot on down to Toyota and chevies versions extremely annoying at best.

Dangerous and useless at worst.

Honestly most of them don't belong in a car, a cell disrupter in every moving car would probably be the best driver aid
 
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