I guess this should go here - trans filter

[Gary Allan]

I just picked this up on ebay for a decent price. The filter alone retails for about $95. Wix has them somewhat cheaper (by a good margin).

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I'm not sure if it has a visual indicator ..but it has a switch that closes when the bypass valve opens. (from the ebay listing) The filter states on side Minimun Burst per NFPA T2.6.1 800psi 5516 kpa. Efficiency per ISO-4572 Beta 4u = 2 (nominal), Beta 13u = 75 (absolute).

Given the size, this should work for a transmission for a very long time ..or so I would reason. I'm not sure what I'm going to install it on yet. Maybe my jeep's auto trans.

 

[unDummy]

Yep, it looks like a 'lifetime' filter when used on most domestic smaller vehicles.
https://dynamic.donaldson.com/webc/WebStore/search/item_detail.html?section=10035&item=34943
http://www.donaldson.com/en/ih/support/datalibrary/000645.pdf

Good buy on ebay. Plenty of good filters that can be used are overlooked because sellers don't label them correctly for the 'search engine'. Hydraulic, canister, and misspelled cannister, bring up a bunch of industrial/truck components that can be adapted to filtering your transmissions, power steerings, coolant, or engine oil!

What is the PSI of the bypass mount?

 

[Gary Allan]

Do you mean the bypass rating? I dunno. Although I've seen mounts on Donaldson's site that can be had anywhere from 5-25 PSID ..I think it would either be 15 or 25. I'll know when it arrives. The HK line is higher pressure/higher volume then the other spin-on types.

 

[Gary Allan]

Just got around to looking at the links. Nice document.

Yes, I usually put in about three different search search terms.

Filter mount
Filter head
Hydraulic filter - this the nomenclature varies. I can mean an element to most - but in hydraulics, it tends to mean mount and element.

Sometimes you can pick up some real bargains ..other times they want top dollar. The element alone is worth more then the cost of the unit.

check this out It could probably be adapted to tp or to a DOE (double open end) filter for much finer filtration. This is kinda big ..but so

That's not a bad thing

An even finer Donaldson and the guy's got another one just like the one that I bought. I wish he had listed that earlier, I would have bought it instead since the SAE (AN/JIC) O ring flange fittings will probably cost a decent penny ..but ...

For anyone who doesn't want to get that fancy, Northern Tool still sells a hydraulic mount w/filter for about $20 delivered. Replacement filters (1-12 thread) are available at any NAPA. I've got about 3 of them.

 

[Tempest]

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For anyone who doesn't want to get that fancy, Northern Tool still sells a hydraulic mount w/filter for about $20 delivered. Replacement filters (1-12 thread) are available at any NAPA. I've got about 3 of them.

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I checked that site. It's showing a 1/14 thread. Is that a typical thread for hydraulic filters?

What do you think about the Norther filters Gary? Do the heads/elements look like they are well made? $8 for a 10 micron filter element is nice!

Are the heads attached to a bracket via the threaded holes on top? That's how it appears to be from the picture.

 

[g20ooh]

Gary ,
Nice find - all . Can't quite appreciate dimensioning on this one ? Any info ?

UD , same thanks .

 

[Gary Allan]

1-12 is the low pressure hydraulic filter thread of choice, I believe. I'm sure that Notherntool doesn't make them. I'm sure that they're made by a decent company. These filters are probably easier and less costly to make. They don't, typically, have ADBV and don't have bypass valves. The bypass is built into the fixture/mount.

I'd just form a "L" bracket and drill to match the holes in the mount.

 

[Gary Allan]

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Gary ,
Nice find - all . Can't quite appreciate dimensioning on this one ?

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Do you mean the one that I bought?

Here's the fitler dimensions.

B - Thread Size (Inches): 1 3/4-12
C - Length (Inches): 11.63
D - Gasket OD (Inches): 3.387
E - Gasket ID (Inches): 3.109
Product Type Description: HYDRAULIC SPIN-ON, DURAMAX
Primary Application: CASE N9086, Donaldson HMK05,
Primary Application 2: HMK25 ASSEMBLY
Media Type: Synthetic
Efficiency Beta 2 (Micron): 5
Efficiency Beta 20 (Micron): 13
Efficiency Beta 75 (Micron): 16
Application Note: SYNTEQ Media #4

Now if you mean the northerntool hydraulic filter, they're about an FLIA size

Here's a Wix equivalent:
Part Number: 51259
UPC Number: 765809512597
Principal Application: Dresser, Jacobsen, John Deere, New Holland, Steiger (Hyd. or Trans)
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Transmission Filter
Service: Transmission
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 5.500
Outer Diameter Top: 3.670
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 1-12
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: None
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/19
Burst Pressure-PSI: 420
Max Flow Rate: 12-16 GPM
Nominal Micro Rating: 10

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.834 2.462 0.275

The mount and the filter setup from northerntool is a steal. Replacement filters are available from fleetfilter at a very reasonable cost ..or any NAPA. One should last you a very long time ..or at least your second one should last a very long time.

 

[g20ooh]

Gary,
Thank you very much for all the good info . May I ask what vehicle you will be using this on ?

In light of your son's recent purchase I thought you might be interested in the following ;

Publication: AsiaPulse News
Publication Date: 02-FEB-05
Format: Online - approximately 263 words
Delivery: Immediate Online Access

Article Excerpt
SEOUL, Feb 2 Asia Pulse - Hyundai Motor Co. (KSE:005380), South Korea's No. 1 automaker, said Wednesday it has turned down Toyota Motors Corp.'s (SEHK:0436) offer to exchange visits to each other's plants.

A senior executive at Japan's leading carmaker sent an e-mail to a Hyundai director late last...

NOTE: All illustrations and photos have been removed from this article


One of the plants they wanted to tour builds vans although not sure which van .



And this ( worth a read ) ;
"Don't Sell Parts to Hyundai"
Toyota Leader's Shocking Words
Jun, 16. 2006
(1st part) (2nd part)
An increasing number of car parts makers are moving into Kyushu, the westernmost main island of Japan. It is certain that they are looking at South Korea and China as their promising future markets by posting themselves in the area that is geographically closer to those countries than most of other places in Japan. South Korea's Hyundai Motor Co., which is growing rapidly, is especially targeted at. Toyota, however, appears to be uneasy about this trend. It might order its affiliated parts makers, "Don't sell parts to Hyundai."

The link is http://en.j-cast.com/2006/06/16001796.html

FWIW : he made a good choice and I hope it goes well for him .

 

[unDummy]

Page 22 covers that ebay filter.

Big catalog 6mb download 320 pages:
rightclicksavetargetas:
http://www.donaldson-filters.ru/Donaldson Filter Product Specification Guide.pdf

 

[Trucku]

Just a quick question. What is that filter rating compared to a frantz bypass tranny filter. Is it worth it to buy this one and not spend the extra money on the frantz tranny filter?
I know you posted the numbers but, I am not filter savy yet..lol

the smaller one has a bid on it already..lol #@$%!..

 

[Gary Allan]

I'm always afraid to post running across a filter or two on ebay here for fear of attracting a fellow member and bidding against him ..or have a few members bidding against each other.

..btw- if you look at a few of the individual filters offered, some can fit either head and look like bargains. I just grab the numbers and run it through WIX first (easiest) to see the spec's. The 1 3/8-12 and the 1 3/4-12 are popular MEGA hydraulic filter threads. In that smaller ebay offering, the guy has the filter listed wrong. He has P1654354, which doesn't exist...while I believe that it's P165354

Thanks for the link, g20ooh, I'm unsure at this time what vehicle its going on. A few of my stable (and extended stable) have Magnefines on them. This may go on my 2.5 auto Jeep if I put a plow setup on it. My minivan maybe ..both I want to last forever.

Trucku-

My feeling is that this won't be as good at fine filtration as a Frantz/MG. It will have a very fine level of filtration and have a very long life. It won't need the servicing that a tp filter will. Schultz has a 3um Beta 75 (absolute) filter on his trans. It's never lit the bulb showing that its in bypass. I don't think it ever will. The advantage with a Frantz/MG is that you're changing out the fluid a little at a time and could probably forget any fluid change for a very long time ..or forever. Your elements are dirt cheap ...while the filters of this caliber are very expensive in comparison. Mine is $36+ from fleet filter and retails for about $95....so one change, if I was paying full freight (not finding deals on ebay or at fleetfilter) would pay a good chunk of the bill toward a Frantz/MG.

It depends on your frequency of service desires.

Undummy: I've played at Donaldson's site for years ...and have never stumbled across the stuff that you're pulling out of there.

For someone who ever wanted a 3 stacker Frantz, the guy is also offering a big ....really big filter canister that's 26" long and about 7X7 cylinder. Sound like its ideal for someone creative to use paper towels in. Darn cheap too. You need a pickup or big rig to make it fit through. I could fit it on my minivan ...but I've already got a very big cotton wound filter for it ..when I get done with the darn experiments.

 

[unDummy]

It'll filter well, but not as good as a roll of TP. Syntec#4 media is probably similar to KN/M1/EAO/Pureone filter medias. Someone should compare the media data to see how close it is to those boutique motor oil filters.

Just by looking at its size, it'll probably be as good as having ~3-4 boutique PH8a/FL1a sized-filters manifolded in parallel. The ATF flow through the media will be pretty slow(assuming massive surface area) and should catch almost everything easily, even though its a full flow.

Donaldson(along with its competitors) have numerous other filters(various medias & micron ratings) that can be screwed onto that filter mount. Compare the Wix 57084 and 51731. Depending on media PN chosen, you could actually use that mount as a bypass filter(parallel with cooler or with orificed pan return). Syntec #1/2 or #1 would probably turn the mount into a bypass if plumbed that way.

A large filter also increases the ATF dwell time outside the transmission. That leads to more efficient cooling.
Since it hold 2-3+ quarts of ATF, its like adding an aftermarket sump without the cost of those fancy cast deep-sump pans.

Whats great about this thread is that there are many, sometimes cheaper, options to fluid filtration with a little research. The do-it-yourselfer can easily beat the Permacool, Transdapt, B&M, and Magnefines ATF filters!

I almost bidded on that filter for my transmission, hence my collection of data. But, I found a luber-finer 200-s, with a diesel pack element, for a little less. It'll get its own thread once my AT is clean(couple more drain/refills and a pan drop, prior to the install). I just picked up the hose/T-fittings for the luberfiner, and have been playing with angle iron for the mount. There have been several luberfiner/harvard 500's on ebay. The 500's hold 10 quarts of fluid(and various elements are available). Its too big and expensive to fit in my vehicles. The 500's are a tad bit smaller then the 3.5 gallon "750" paper towel filter that are mentioned here often. I've also seen Racor, FS2500's, norman, oilrig, frantz, stilko, reclaimo, triple-r..... popping up on ebay every month(some sold cheap) for anyone who wants try something different. There are also some discontinued fluidyne 1.5"-16 filter mounts(with and without flow bypass).

 

[g20ooh]

Undummy: I've played at Donaldson's site for years ...and have never stumbled across the stuff that you're pulling out of there.

Thats the story on that and I haven't processed but a fraction of what UD has just contributed on this thread .
UD , again , thank you !

My minivan maybe ..both I want to last forever.

Gary ,

Not to go off topic on this outstanding thread you have going here - what does your program look like for your Minivan ? And the Jeep ?

Reason why I ask I'm in a somewhat similiar situation in regards to an older familly fleet that I would like to have runout at least a year or two longer or have some/all of them much longer than that - depending on the wind ,the moon , and the stars . Personally , I 'm leaning towards ( listing heavily to port with three knots forward - unknown weather on the way in and water coming over the foredeck would be more accurate ) towards avoiding any further new vehicle purchases for this group , but hey , maybe I'm getting hormonal

 

[Gary Allan]

Well, all three of our immediate fleet (2 jeeps and the minivan) we've owned from new. I did have to put a reman long block in the minivan. The body is sound ..and the only other thing is the trans ..which has had a rebuild about 100k ago (178k now). The thing is a shell from the engine bay back

..so I figure I'll get it to go for another 10 years if the thing doesn't start rusting. i have auxiliary trans filtration ..that I may upgrade.

The jeeps both have oil coolers ..the SE has a transcooler and auxiliary trans filtering ..which I will too upgrade. It's got a MOPAR deeper pan and is the last year they offered the simple 904 cousin (30RH). The parts will always be plentiful and I should be able to rebuild both from the ground up ....forever

But ..for my maintenance on the various engines ..when I'm not using the minivan engine for BITOG experiments, I'll do what I do for both the jeeps. Basically that's a 6month OCI with a synth. I'm not too worried about the engine or the trans in the minivan. My challenge is to keep the ancillary expenses down. If the rack takes a hike ..stuff like that. My daughter has a 91 Taurus that I bought her for $300 ..still running strong 40k later ..but it cost me $100 in motor mount parts (stuff like that). Her Vulcan should last forever (it did get a timing chain during a water pump replacement that, because of a broken bolt, required the timing cover to come off.).

I'm trying to avoid ever buying a new vehicle. They're just too way over the top in complexity. Way too many things to cause you to junk them later in life ...where I always keep them to. I'll pay the high freight on the needed repairs to these rides when they come due. It's so much cheaper then new.

 

[Trucku]

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My feeling is that this won't be as good at fine filtration as a Frantz/MG. It will have a very fine level of filtration and have a very long life. It won't need the servicing that a tp filter will. Schultz has a 3um Beta 75 (absolute) filter on his trans. It's never lit the bulb showing that its in bypass. I don't think it ever will. The advantage with a Frantz/MG is that you're changing out the fluid a little at a time and could probably forget any fluid change for a very long time ..or forever. Your elements are dirt cheap ...while the filters of this caliber are very expensive in comparison. Mine is $36+ from fleet filter and retails for about $95....so one change, if I was paying full freight (not finding deals on ebay or at fleetfilter) would pay a good chunk of the bill toward a Frantz/MG.

It depends on your frequency of service desires.

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Gary Allen

Thanks for replying to me.
I see your points. TP is finer filtration, but requires servicing, with each service I change out a quart of oil and is a initial invesment in buying whole unit and little for every TP roll I change. The Spin doesn't need the same maintenance, but every time I do change it will be $30 plus dollars.

Thanks agian..

Funny but I jumped the gun this morning...
I saw the smaller unit still for sale one bid on it.
Now that I don't know much about it and the mount, I ended up getting this item. Now I basically payed the cost of the filter for the whole thing shipped to me. I figured it was a good deal and cheap too. If I had to change it out every few years, that wouldn't bother me to much, as I don't have $175 right now for a Frantz tranny filter. BUT on the same token I can always offer it up here on the site for the same I got it for, if I wanted to just wait get a Frantz Setup.
If I bid against a BOBITOG member I am sorry. I thought of it after I won the #@$%! thing. Maybe I should have posted my intent to bid on it on the thread, but I had no clue if anyone was surfing it at 10am.
I called my nearest Wix dealer and the filter is $30, after I read the correct part numbers on the picture.

Thanks for the post Gary Allen!

 

[Gary Allan]

NP

..I wondered if it was a BITOG member that bid on that smaller unit. You may look around at the filters offered when you put "hydraulic filter" in the search engine. Just grab the number off of the filter (remove "-" and spaces) and put it into the WIX and/or Baldwin and/or Donaldson x'ref. There you can figure out the thread pitch and gasket size. Lots of bargains in hydraulic filtration to be had there.

Yes, the guy listed it with a "4" that didn't need to be there in the middle of the numbers P1X434X. I couldn't quite figure the numbers from the picture, so I just started playing with the different number sets and tried it without the "4" before the last 3 numbers (IIRC

) and it matched his description.

 

[Trucku]

I am not familiar with the mount that came with the smaller filter. how does it go into bypass mode. Your mount has a green and red metal piece on it, but this one is just plane. I thought about it after the sale, but is it missing something?

If its too difficult to use, I will offer it here for sale and if nothing then back to Ebay. Looks like a good filter. Even though it goes down to 3u will that affect Transmission fluid flow? I am currently running a perma cool remote with a full flow spin on. I guess this would be a completer replacement of that. I don't want lines all over the place plumbing this to that and then back..lol.

 

[Gary Allan]

The internal bypass is a plug with a spring on it of the appropriate tension. If the filter clogs enough to develop the set pressure ..the plug moves. I'm not sure if your mount has the red/green thingy option available for it.

Give my your ebay auction number so I can look it over. Only you and anyone who was "watching" it can see it now. I deleted it from my watch list when I saw a bid on it.

3um in a filter that size will do fine, imo. I too would replace the Permacool unit. You can't really reduce flow in your cooler lines. You'll just build up pressure. Hence the commonality of provisions for pressure differential gauges and high side gauges to read back pressure ..and on some electric grounding posts to light something up ..and internal bypass mechanisms.

If you go to [ww.mcmaster.com page 350 ..you'll see on the higher pressure mounts an available gauge - part number: 44185K11
Optional Filter Gauge for Spin-On Hydraulic Oil Filter

It probably has the green/red colors on the index and goes from 0-15 psi. It's not as good as a differential gauge ..but far cheaper.

 

[Trucku]

Here it is...
Item number: 270073969171