Those first three?
Not metal.
Not metal.
I challenge our metal fans to try something new
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I suppose it's worth clarifying that I don't know if I said they are actually "metal" technically, I believe they are classified as an Idol/J-pop Metal group. It's somewhere in between, which is why I like it. Personally, I can't listen to most metal. I like this because there is actual singing. Most metal is just screaming/growling, which doesn't appeal to me at all. I can like a metal song if there is at some point, a substantial amount of real singing. (Not saying anything wrong with screamo stuff, but it's not for me).
Originally Posted By: DriveHard
Originally Posted By: RedOakRanch
Call me old fashioned but little girl vocals and a metal beat don't compliment each other. I liked the instrumental side.
Agree. I was digging the music until the vocals came on.
This is actually why a lot of people like it. The juxtaposition between the metal beat and instrumentals, and a female j-pop type vocalist, and the aesthetic of their costumes and production, has made them insanely popular.
Hence why I said "something new/different"
Originally Posted By: DriveHard
Originally Posted By: RedOakRanch
Call me old fashioned but little girl vocals and a metal beat don't compliment each other. I liked the instrumental side.
Agree. I was digging the music until the vocals came on.
This is actually why a lot of people like it. The juxtaposition between the metal beat and instrumentals, and a female j-pop type vocalist, and the aesthetic of their costumes and production, has made them insanely popular.
Hence why I said "something new/different"
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Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
I'm a metal fan 100%, but that just isn't for me. I'm more into Five Finger Death Punch, Rammstein, Hatebreed, Slayer etc.
Same here.
I'm a metal fan 100%, but that just isn't for me. I'm more into Five Finger Death Punch, Rammstein, Hatebreed, Slayer etc.
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Nick:
Listen to this Rammstein piece:
if you want some female stuff check out In This Moment.
Listen to this Rammstein piece:
if you want some female stuff check out In This Moment.
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Those first three?
Not metal.
You don't think 5FDP is metal? It is some of the best heavy music to come out in a very, VERY long time. Not only that, but it has brought the genre back into spotlight. No, they aren't Slipknot, they don't try to be. Their music resonates with a much broader audience than the genre ever has and that's an incredibly GOOD thing.
Those first three?
Not metal.
You don't think 5FDP is metal? It is some of the best heavy music to come out in a very, VERY long time. Not only that, but it has brought the genre back into spotlight. No, they aren't Slipknot, they don't try to be. Their music resonates with a much broader audience than the genre ever has and that's an incredibly GOOD thing.
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Nick:
Check out these two as well:
Check out these two as well:
BABYMETAL isn't my cup of tea, although I do like the instrumentals.
SEMBLANT is surprisingly decent, although slightly amusingly embracing all the clichés.
I just saw Nightwish (AMAZING!) and Delain (not bad at all) recently. I have Avenged Sevenfold and Slipknot on my concert bucket list.
SEMBLANT is surprisingly decent, although slightly amusingly embracing all the clichés.
I just saw Nightwish (AMAZING!) and Delain (not bad at all) recently. I have Avenged Sevenfold and Slipknot on my concert bucket list.
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Originally Posted By: Hollow
SEMBLANT is surprisingly decent, although slightly amusingly embracing all the clichés.
Yeah, if you watch a few of their other videos they are really into the cliches, but the music is good and as you said, the way they approach the cliches is amusing
5FDP was the best concert I've ever been to and I've seen Metallica, Korn (twice), Disturbed....etc. It was an incredibly intimate event and the energy? It was incredible!!! It was actually 5FDP opening for Korn in Toronto, but half the audience left after 5FDP finished, most of us were just there for them.
SEMBLANT is surprisingly decent, although slightly amusingly embracing all the clichés.
Yeah, if you watch a few of their other videos they are really into the cliches, but the music is good and as you said, the way they approach the cliches is amusing
5FDP was the best concert I've ever been to and I've seen Metallica, Korn (twice), Disturbed....etc. It was an incredibly intimate event and the energy? It was incredible!!! It was actually 5FDP opening for Korn in Toronto, but half the audience left after 5FDP finished, most of us were just there for them.
A little too poppy for me. I never got into the blast beats and screamed/growled (cookie monster) vocals too much, though I do like 5FDP. That track from Semblant, above, is nice.
I lean more toward industrial metal, Static X (RIP), Dope, Filter, a little Rob Zombie maybe, and stoner metal like Kyuss. I'm not really a fan of the double kick drum going foompy foompy foompy all the way through the song.
I lean more toward industrial metal, Static X (RIP), Dope, Filter, a little Rob Zombie maybe, and stoner metal like Kyuss. I'm not really a fan of the double kick drum going foompy foompy foompy all the way through the song.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Those first three?
Not metal.
You don't think 5FDP is metal? It is some of the best heavy music to come out in a very, VERY long time. Not only that, but it has brought the genre back into spotlight. No, they aren't Slipknot, they don't try to be. Their music resonates with a much broader audience than the genre ever has and that's an incredibly GOOD thing.
But Slipknot isn't metal either?
Lamb of God, The Black Dahlia Murder, Amon Amarth, Dimmu Borgir, Seven Sisters of Sleep, Through the Eyes of the Dead, In Flames, Agoraphobia Nosebleed, Winds of Plague, the genre is very much alive.
Five Finger Dual Pene.... Is like late Metallica. Just a cheesy studio created version of a genre designed to sell to the masses. Ever listen to their first EP vs their last studio album? It's like Metallica's Kill 'em All vs Load/Reload.
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Those first three?
Not metal.
You don't think 5FDP is metal? It is some of the best heavy music to come out in a very, VERY long time. Not only that, but it has brought the genre back into spotlight. No, they aren't Slipknot, they don't try to be. Their music resonates with a much broader audience than the genre ever has and that's an incredibly GOOD thing.
But Slipknot isn't metal either?
Lamb of God, The Black Dahlia Murder, Amon Amarth, Dimmu Borgir, Seven Sisters of Sleep, Through the Eyes of the Dead, In Flames, Agoraphobia Nosebleed, Winds of Plague, the genre is very much alive.
Five Finger Dual Pene.... Is like late Metallica. Just a cheesy studio created version of a genre designed to sell to the masses. Ever listen to their first EP vs their last studio album? It's like Metallica's Kill 'em All vs Load/Reload.
A little something from one of the originators of the Metal genre.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Hollow
SEMBLANT is surprisingly decent, although slightly amusingly embracing all the clichés.
Yeah, if you watch a few of their other videos they are really into the cliches, but the music is good and as you said, the way they approach the cliches is amusing
5FDP was the best concert I've ever been to and I've seen Metallica, Korn (twice), Disturbed....etc. It was an incredibly intimate event and the energy? It was incredible!!! It was actually 5FDP opening for Korn in Toronto, but half the audience left after 5FDP finished, most of us were just there for them.
I watched that Semblant video and they remind me somewhat of Lacuna Coil. Christina Scabia of Lacuna Coil is certainly nice to look at too
Originally Posted By: Hollow
SEMBLANT is surprisingly decent, although slightly amusingly embracing all the clichés.
Yeah, if you watch a few of their other videos they are really into the cliches, but the music is good and as you said, the way they approach the cliches is amusing
5FDP was the best concert I've ever been to and I've seen Metallica, Korn (twice), Disturbed....etc. It was an incredibly intimate event and the energy? It was incredible!!! It was actually 5FDP opening for Korn in Toronto, but half the audience left after 5FDP finished, most of us were just there for them.
I watched that Semblant video and they remind me somewhat of Lacuna Coil. Christina Scabia of Lacuna Coil is certainly nice to look at too
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
But Slipknot isn't metal either?
Lamb of God, The Black Dahlia Murder, Amon Amarth, Dimmu Borgir, Seven Sisters of Sleep, Through the Eyes of the Dead, In Flames, Agoraphobia Nosebleed, Winds of Plague, the genre is very much alive.
But not popular. 5FDP is popular, I'm guessing that's why you don't like them. They are too "mainstream" and subsequently you look down your nose at them.
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Five Finger Dual Pene.... Is like late Metallica. Just a cheesy studio created version of a genre designed to sell to the masses. Ever listen to their first EP vs their last studio album? It's like Metallica's Kill 'em All vs Load/Reload.
I own all of the Metallica albums and all of the 5FDP albums, I follow the band members on Facebook and I have been to their concerts. Yes, I've listened to their first EP; I've listened to all of their albums. I currently have them queued up on iTunes. ALL of them.
What this comes down to is that they fall under the genre. Your personal disdain for them doesn't change that fact and it most certainly won't have an impact on their success. They put out fantastic heavy music that people relate to and that is why they are one of the very few bands in the genre to actually "make it big"; to be able to sell outside the smaller heavy music circle, and for that some people will, as you are, call them sellouts or contrived studio creations.
They are, like Metallica was in the 80's, on the lighter end of the heavy scale by today's standards. That's what makes their music more palatable to a broader audience. The black album was the epitome of the genre going mainstream (though arguably it was borderline hard rock at that point) and they (Metallica) got softer from that point forward. It is a difficult gap to bridge (heavy music and the mainstream) and many people don't want it bridged because going mainstream is equated with selling out. I don't have that black and white view of the subject but I don't consider anything post Justice "metal" either. Metallica stopped making heavy music after the black album (which, IMHO, is right on the line). 5FDP is still at a "Ride the Lightning" level of heaviness, which isn't super heavy by any stretch, but heavy enough that they are still well within the threshold of the genre.
I doubt we will agree on any of this but that's of no consequence, I wanted you to see my position on the matter and now we can agree to disagree or we can argue this further, LOL!
But Slipknot isn't metal either?
Lamb of God, The Black Dahlia Murder, Amon Amarth, Dimmu Borgir, Seven Sisters of Sleep, Through the Eyes of the Dead, In Flames, Agoraphobia Nosebleed, Winds of Plague, the genre is very much alive.
But not popular. 5FDP is popular, I'm guessing that's why you don't like them. They are too "mainstream" and subsequently you look down your nose at them.
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Five Finger Dual Pene.... Is like late Metallica. Just a cheesy studio created version of a genre designed to sell to the masses. Ever listen to their first EP vs their last studio album? It's like Metallica's Kill 'em All vs Load/Reload.
I own all of the Metallica albums and all of the 5FDP albums, I follow the band members on Facebook and I have been to their concerts. Yes, I've listened to their first EP; I've listened to all of their albums. I currently have them queued up on iTunes. ALL of them.
What this comes down to is that they fall under the genre. Your personal disdain for them doesn't change that fact and it most certainly won't have an impact on their success. They put out fantastic heavy music that people relate to and that is why they are one of the very few bands in the genre to actually "make it big"; to be able to sell outside the smaller heavy music circle, and for that some people will, as you are, call them sellouts or contrived studio creations.
They are, like Metallica was in the 80's, on the lighter end of the heavy scale by today's standards. That's what makes their music more palatable to a broader audience. The black album was the epitome of the genre going mainstream (though arguably it was borderline hard rock at that point) and they (Metallica) got softer from that point forward. It is a difficult gap to bridge (heavy music and the mainstream) and many people don't want it bridged because going mainstream is equated with selling out. I don't have that black and white view of the subject but I don't consider anything post Justice "metal" either. Metallica stopped making heavy music after the black album (which, IMHO, is right on the line). 5FDP is still at a "Ride the Lightning" level of heaviness, which isn't super heavy by any stretch, but heavy enough that they are still well within the threshold of the genre.
I doubt we will agree on any of this but that's of no consequence, I wanted you to see my position on the matter and now we can agree to disagree or we can argue this further, LOL!
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Originally Posted By: Nick R
I suppose it's worth clarifying that I don't know if I said they are actually "metal" technically, I believe they are classified as an Idol/J-pop Metal group. It's somewhere in between, which is why I like it. Personally, I can't listen to most metal. I like this because there is actual singing. Most metal is just screaming/growling, which doesn't appeal to me at all. I can like a metal song if there is at some point, a substantial amount of real singing. (Not saying anything wrong with screamo stuff, but it's not for me).
The girls didnt do it for me... (FWIW, Im not a fan of Evanescence either, as an example of another female who tries to go for some harder stuff.) Overall I agree with your sentiment regarding metal.
That one Rise Against Re-Education song had a decent sound to it, but I found the video lacking in taste.
I suppose it's worth clarifying that I don't know if I said they are actually "metal" technically, I believe they are classified as an Idol/J-pop Metal group. It's somewhere in between, which is why I like it. Personally, I can't listen to most metal. I like this because there is actual singing. Most metal is just screaming/growling, which doesn't appeal to me at all. I can like a metal song if there is at some point, a substantial amount of real singing. (Not saying anything wrong with screamo stuff, but it's not for me).
The girls didnt do it for me... (FWIW, Im not a fan of Evanescence either, as an example of another female who tries to go for some harder stuff.) Overall I agree with your sentiment regarding metal.
That one Rise Against Re-Education song had a decent sound to it, but I found the video lacking in taste.
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
But Slipknot isn't metal either?
Lamb of God, The Black Dahlia Murder, Amon Amarth, Dimmu Borgir, Seven Sisters of Sleep, Through the Eyes of the Dead, In Flames, Agoraphobia Nosebleed, Winds of Plague, the genre is very much alive.
But not popular. 5FDP is popular, I'm guessing that's why you don't like them. They are too "mainstream" and subsequently you look down your nose at them.
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Five Finger Dual Pene.... Is like late Metallica. Just a cheesy studio created version of a genre designed to sell to the masses. Ever listen to their first EP vs their last studio album? It's like Metallica's Kill 'em All vs Load/Reload.
I own all of the Metallica albums and all of the 5FDP albums, I follow the band members on Facebook and I have been to their concerts. Yes, I've listened to their first EP; I've listened to all of their albums. I currently have them queued up on iTunes. ALL of them.
What this comes down to is that they fall under the genre. Your personal disdain for them doesn't change that fact and it most certainly won't have an impact on their success. They put out fantastic heavy music that people relate to and that is why they are one of the very few bands in the genre to actually "make it big"; to be able to sell outside the smaller heavy music circle, and for that some people will, as you are, call them sellouts or contrived studio creations.
They are, like Metallica was in the 80's, on the lighter end of the heavy scale by today's standards. That's what makes their music more palatable to a broader audience. The black album was the epitome of the genre going mainstream (though arguably it was borderline hard rock at that point) and they (Metallica) got softer from that point forward. It is a difficult gap to bridge (heavy music and the mainstream) and many people don't want it bridged because going mainstream is equated with selling out. I don't have that black and white view of the subject but I don't consider anything post Justice "metal" either. Metallica stopped making heavy music after the black album (which, IMHO, is right on the line). 5FDP is still at a "Ride the Lightning" level of heaviness, which isn't super heavy by any stretch, but heavy enough that they are still well within the threshold of the genre.
I doubt we will agree on any of this but that's of no consequence, I wanted you to see my position on the matter and now we can agree to disagree or we can argue this further, LOL!
Agree 100% on all fronts.
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
But Slipknot isn't metal either?
Lamb of God, The Black Dahlia Murder, Amon Amarth, Dimmu Borgir, Seven Sisters of Sleep, Through the Eyes of the Dead, In Flames, Agoraphobia Nosebleed, Winds of Plague, the genre is very much alive.
But not popular. 5FDP is popular, I'm guessing that's why you don't like them. They are too "mainstream" and subsequently you look down your nose at them.
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Five Finger Dual Pene.... Is like late Metallica. Just a cheesy studio created version of a genre designed to sell to the masses. Ever listen to their first EP vs their last studio album? It's like Metallica's Kill 'em All vs Load/Reload.
I own all of the Metallica albums and all of the 5FDP albums, I follow the band members on Facebook and I have been to their concerts. Yes, I've listened to their first EP; I've listened to all of their albums. I currently have them queued up on iTunes. ALL of them.
What this comes down to is that they fall under the genre. Your personal disdain for them doesn't change that fact and it most certainly won't have an impact on their success. They put out fantastic heavy music that people relate to and that is why they are one of the very few bands in the genre to actually "make it big"; to be able to sell outside the smaller heavy music circle, and for that some people will, as you are, call them sellouts or contrived studio creations.
They are, like Metallica was in the 80's, on the lighter end of the heavy scale by today's standards. That's what makes their music more palatable to a broader audience. The black album was the epitome of the genre going mainstream (though arguably it was borderline hard rock at that point) and they (Metallica) got softer from that point forward. It is a difficult gap to bridge (heavy music and the mainstream) and many people don't want it bridged because going mainstream is equated with selling out. I don't have that black and white view of the subject but I don't consider anything post Justice "metal" either. Metallica stopped making heavy music after the black album (which, IMHO, is right on the line). 5FDP is still at a "Ride the Lightning" level of heaviness, which isn't super heavy by any stretch, but heavy enough that they are still well within the threshold of the genre.
I doubt we will agree on any of this but that's of no consequence, I wanted you to see my position on the matter and now we can agree to disagree or we can argue this further, LOL!
Agree 100% on all fronts.
Originally Posted By: Olas
Clutch, Mastodon, Ten Foot Wizard, Orange Goblin, Kyuss.
Anything Doom, Sludge or Stoner.
Wow, thought I was the odd man out! Check out Graveyard, Witch, and The Sword.
Clutch, Mastodon, Ten Foot Wizard, Orange Goblin, Kyuss.
Anything Doom, Sludge or Stoner.
Wow, thought I was the odd man out! Check out Graveyard, Witch, and The Sword.
Favorite metal right now...
Upon A Burning Body
others in my play list
As I Lay Dying
Trivium
The Word Alive
Upon A Burning Body
others in my play list
As I Lay Dying
Trivium
The Word Alive
If you want real metal with a BEAUTIFUL female voice, check out early Tristania. Favorite album is "World of Glass". Most might consider it symphonic metal. The new stuff is NOT metal...so have to dig a bit.
Originally Posted By: DriveHard
If you want real metal with a BEAUTIFUL female voice, check out early Tristania. Favorite album is "World of Glass". Most might consider it symphonic metal. The new stuff is NOT metal...so have to dig a bit.
That's certainly different for sure. There's a group I found recently with a female singer as well called Blues Pills. Kind of a throwback to classic rock.
https://youtu.be/iV9XFldAi7w
If you want real metal with a BEAUTIFUL female voice, check out early Tristania. Favorite album is "World of Glass". Most might consider it symphonic metal. The new stuff is NOT metal...so have to dig a bit.
That's certainly different for sure. There's a group I found recently with a female singer as well called Blues Pills. Kind of a throwback to classic rock.
https://youtu.be/iV9XFldAi7w
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