I am PHEV Ready!

[Rmay635703]

110V is not a solution, especially outside of a house. The goal is to charge and move so another car can get on. Otherwise you need bazillions of chargers. You should only need to charge every couple days, once a week, whatever.

Public chargers can charge you a dwell time if you stay on too long.

Apartment and condo complexes are starting to look into charging stations; customers are demanding it.

No not at all

Charger commercial $3000+

Outlet strings are under $100 a pop done in bulk

At workplaces the last thing you want is people having to move their car and you can do dozens to hundreds of 110volt outlets for the same or less cost than a single dc charger.

In my area every light pole is wired with a box at the base, you could drive 4-8 110vac outlets at each pole which are literally everywhere, convert the light to a more efficient one and you could charge 24/7 instead of just during the day.

 

[JeffKeryk]

No not at all

Charger commercial $3000+

Outlet strings are under $100 a pop done in bulk

At workplaces the last thing you want is people having to move their car and you can do dozens to hundreds of 110volt outlets for the same or less cost than a single dc charger.

In my area every light pole is wired with a box at the base, you could drive 4-8 110vac outlets at each pole which are literally everywhere, convert the light to a more efficient one and you could charge 24/7 instead of just during the day.

Say what you will, but what I described is exactly what is happening all over CA (and beyond) as we speak. This is not what I think; this is reality.
In Silicon Valley perspective employees ask about charging capabilities and companies advertise the perk. Some companies subsidize the cost or even let you charge for free.

You get a text when your car is full; you have 20 minutes (or whatever) to move it so someone else can charge.

 

[JeffKeryk]

How is that supposed to work at work?

"Excuse me, sorry, I have to go move my car, can we put this meeting on hold while I do that"?

Put 110V outlets in and let them stay plugged in all 8 hours.

All I can tell you is, employees flat out love it. And companies advertise it. We are in a new world.

 

[brianl703]

All I can tell you is, employees flat out love it. And companies advertise it. We are in a new world.

I'd just love getting a text telling me that I have 20 minutes to move my car when I'm in the middle of something that can't be interrupted and which will take 30 minutes or more.

 

[Rmay635703]

I'd just love getting a text telling me that I have 20 minutes to move my car when I'm in the middle of something that can't be interrupted and which will take 30 minutes or more.

The reality is you have strings of 110 outlets for the 8hr + crowd and a few rapid chargers for traveling folks

I absolutely love having 110 at work, I can live with only 110 because I can charge at both work and home

Outside California anything faster than 110 is $1.50 an hour + (l2) depending on its rate.

Outside California most companies view charging stations as being too expensive and install too few and charge too much to use them if they even install one.
At my company the 110’s get used but the single fast charger that $$$$$ is always vacant

 

[brianl703]

The reality is you have strings of 110 outlets for the 8hr + crowd and a few rapid chargers for traveling folks

I absolutely love having 110 at work, I can live with only 110 because I can charge at both work and home

Outside California anything faster than 110 is $1.50 an hour + (l2) depending on its rate.

When I drove to work it was a 60 mile round-trip commute. I left home with my 2013 Chevy Volt fully charged and plugged it into one of the 110V outlets in the garage, which I charged it at the 8 amp setting (to avoid tripping the breaker). And over the course of the next 8 hours that put enough charge in so I could drive back home without using any gas.

And whomever wired these outlets really skimped out because even at 8 amps sometimes the voltage would be down to 108V or less. Don't think they wired them with 10 gauge and there were only 2 electrical rooms for the entire 6-story garage.

(There is nothing in the NEC which requires using larger-gauge wire for long circuits, that is good design practice, and the NEC "is not a design manual").

 

[Rmay635703]

At work all the 110 outlets are industrial grade 20 amp circuits, handles my 12 amp car fine.

 

[brianl703]

At work all the 110 outlets are industrial grade 20 amp circuits, handles my 12 amp car fine.

These were/are 20 amp circuits, they just put about 6 outlets on each one, fed from the bottom floor and going up to the 6th with an outlet on each floor. Was never intended for charging. Also some of the outlets didn't work because the GFCI went bad and wouldn't reset. But this is the same parking garage where a light got smashed off the supporting conduit on the 6th floor leaving wires hanging. I wondered if they were live and touched them together. Heard a buzzing and then silence, the breaker tripped and all the lights on that floor went off.

Then a couple weeks later someone had reset the breaker since the other lights were on again, but they never bothered to investigate why it tripped.

To this day I bet there are still live, bare wires hanging out of the conduit where that light used to be.

You can bet that they won't be installing any sort of fast charger in this garage anytime soon, if they don't even care enough to fix a broken light which is a safety hazard.

I should've wire-nutted those wires together after the breaker tripped....

 

[Rmay635703]

These were/are 20 amp circuits, they just put about 6 outlets on each one, fed from the bottom floor and going up to the 6th with an outlet on each floor. Was never intended for charging. Also some of the outlets didn't work because the GFCI went bad and wouldn't reset. But this is the same parking garage where a light got smashed off the supporting conduit on the 6th floor leaving wires hanging. I wondered if they were live and touched them together. Heard a buzzing and then silence, the breaker tripped and all the lights on that floor went off.
You can bet that they won't be installing any sort of fast charger in this garage anytime soon, if they don't even care enough to fix a broken light which is a safety hazard.

Many areas have inop quick chargers for just the reasons you state.

 

[brianl703]

Many areas have inop quick chargers for just the reasons you state.

Maintenance? What's that?

 

[JHZR2]

Depends on one's use case. I have to believe the use case for 120V charging is pretty darn low. I have talked to co-workers with EVs that told me they only charged at work (subsidized rate); they never charged at home. I think the HOV lane had something to do with this... Ha!

When in Europe with our PHEV, wall plug power was all that we needed. Granted this is 220v/12a or so.

With the Tesla that we rented, I plugged it into 120V at home just because I could. It was good enough if you want to limit charge rate (for battery life) and get a few miles in. But even a 240v 50A plug is fairly limited rate…

 

[The Critic]

The door looks a little crooked on that Siemens panel. Slots on the faceplate screws aren't all consistent either..

I'd list the house ASAP.

I should show you a picture of how crooked the 20A outlet box is.

 

[UncleDave]

I'd just love getting a text telling me that I have 20 minutes to move my car when I'm in the middle of something that can't be interrupted and which will take 30 minutes or more.

Seems if you put yourself in that position then thats on you.

 

[brianl703]

Seems if you put yourself in that position then thats on you.

I wouldn't drive an electric car to work and plug it into a place where I'd have to move it sometime during the work day.

 

[brianl703]

I should show you a picture of how crooked the 20A outlet box is.

Spirit levels are cheap and easy to use. How does that happen?

 

[UncleDave]

I wouldn't drive an electric car to work and plug it into a place where I'd have to move it sometime during the work day.

At work type 3rd party chargers are dumb.
The superchargers have the idle limit and text.

We've got a number of levels 2's we pay for, and the guys worked out a rotation so they split the free juice.

 

[The Critic]

Spirit levels are cheap and easy to use. How does that happen?

"Professionals."

 

[brianl703]

"Professionals."

Someone who came to work sober that day?