Hypothetical: When buying used 100k vs 200k miles?

I love the safety data! 😀 That is an important distinction but so long as folks know that then the data still helps save lives.
OP seems to be shopping in a honed in size class since they've narrowed it down to the Accord & that would be "acceptable" to them for the kid. (y)
I love it too, but I just don't think people understand it.

A 5* in 2008 would possibly be much lower on today's tests.

The star rating is within class.

There really is no way to compare directly a 10 year old 5* compact car with a brand new pickup - for example. You just don't know how to compare the two.

I like the actual end result safety stats of the XC90. I think there are plenty of reasons for that - but its compelling. I might own one someday for that reason alone.
 
I love it too, but I just don't think people understand it.

A 5* in 2008 would possibly be much lower on today's tests.

The star rating is within class.

There really is no way to compare directly a 10 year old 5* compact car with a brand new pickup - for example. You just don't know how to compare the two.

I like the actual end result safety stats of the XC90. I think there are plenty of reasons for that - but its compelling. I might own one someday for that reason alone.
Yeah, I think the national highway changed their ratings for 2011+? I think I remember reading something along those lines. The XC90 WAS above the rest very early! However, other competitors eventually caught up a decade or more later. Could be why the China Geely company released all the safety data, from Volvo, they'd collected since the 1970's for free I believe around 2019. I had a Saturn sedan so the XC90 came w/an upgraded protection for sure.
 
Semi related but if at all possible I'd much rather hand my kids down one of my own personal vehicles that I know the history of rather than get them into a used car.

All used cars come with stories. And the savvy owner plans for and knows exactly when the time is right to offload them.
 
Four years ago and I found this ‘01 Land Cruiser with 336K miles on it

Utah truck…little rough around the edges…owner included OEM salvage LF fender in deal

Along with two rows of LSeat leather replacements

Over the years I’ve done quite a few things to it to keep it mechanical sound

Yes will use up to a quart of oil inside the 4K mile OCI…

It’s our daily beater…now with 363K miles…good ole solid truck

Takes me to and back from many empty/remote Utah locations

These 100 series LC’s use the time proven 4.7L motors

For my total investment of under $12K I’m entirely satisfied

Many smiles per miles

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Brand is the number 1 starting point. The 260,000 mile Camry my daughter drives has been a multitude more reliable and requires less maintenance that the same vintage VW new Beetle with 96,000 miles on it. By far.....

When I bought the Camry, I dug into it's history, not just on CarFax, but by speaking with the owner. It showed, as many maintenance items + had been replaced. I was able to jack up the car and really look it over as well. I was not able to do that with the Beetle, and that bit me.

The issues the Beetle had (mainly electrical) were not things an owner could have maintained. Also, if you do your homework on New Beetles, you'll find you can easily puncture the oil pan. We have had 2 VW's have that happen in our family, with young drivers. I had to replace the rod bearings after that incident.

The make of a car makes a huge difference with high mileage.
 
The whole question is kinda weird but here's something sorta related I encountered just yesterday:

A friend totalled their '15 KL Cherokee Limited. They were shopping for something new and I was encouraging them to look at Venzas (or call it a Highlander if you prefer). Something with 180k here would have allowed them to buy it outright with the insurance settlement.

Instead the wife found an identical KL Cherokee Limited except 2016 (previous was 2015) with 120k and grabbed it reasoning she was getting "lower miles."

Bottom line, assuming maintenance on both was average, I'd take a Venza/Highlander with 180k over a Stellantis anything with 120k. The Toyota will still need fewer repairs and have a lower cost of ownership
 
The whole question is kinda weird but here's something sorta related I encountered just yesterday:

A friend totalled their '15 KL Cherokee Limited. They were shopping for something new and I was encouraging them to look at Venzas (or call it a Highlander if you prefer). Something with 180k here would have allowed them to buy it outright with the insurance settlement.

Instead the wife found an identical KL Cherokee Limited except 2016 (previous was 2015) with 120k and grabbed it reasoning she was getting "lower miles."

Bottom line, assuming maintenance on both was average, I'd take a Venza/Highlander with 180k over a Stellantis anything with 120k. The Toyota will still need fewer repairs and have a lower cost of ownership
By model sure. But its not absolute. Look at my footer. According to most Nissan's all suck.

I just bought another one - my third. This one only has 157K. Almost new.
 
Regarding used vehicles, I like to look at the overall condition. Is the paint nice and shiny, interior neat and clean and kept that way (your can tell between a quick detail to sell and a fastidious owner), tires are newish and all the same brand and model, fluids clean and clear, engine compartment relatively clean, and the coup de graux - is the spare tire inflated to the right pressure. Bonus if the spare is the same as the rest of tires with similar wear.
 
Regarding used vehicles, I like to look at the overall condition. Is the paint nice and shiny, interior neat and clean and kept that way (your can tell between a quick detail to sell and a fastidious owner), tires are newish and all the same brand and model, fluids clean and clear, engine compartment relatively clean, and the coup de graux - is the spare tire inflated to the right pressure. Bonus if the spare is the same as the rest of tires with similar wear.
Totally, condition is everything. Usually a neglected body and interior = neglected mechanical. This is not always true, but statistically if someone doesn't care about carpet stains, torn seats, a broken taillight and a cracked windshield, they probably rarely thought to change the oil or even know they have an air filter.

BITOGers may be outliers as some of us have ugly beaters but we stay on top of mechanical maintenance. This is not the general population.
 
I bought 2013 Acura RDX with $5k ish and 159k. Personally will not do this again because to get it to 174k not expense but lot of little things. Our 2015 Pilot bought in 2021 with 70k and now 130k has needed so little. I’d buy lower mileage car unless you like fiddling.
 
Almost 211,000 miles. Maintenance record? I'm sure one existed. Does it have its flaws? Yes, such as cardboard over the radiator for winter, occasionally starts up with a misfire that is cleared by letting it run for more than a minute shutting off and restarting (any quicker and she floods BAD), the clutch is either on its way out or wildly misadjusted (no slip, just engages in the last inch of pedal travel), the exhaust is now a cherry bomb axle dump that will slowly fill the cabin with exhaust if you don't run the HVAC or crack a window, it pulls to the right but the steering wheel goes to the left, it's been totaled at least once, and it has no radio.... but the heat blows amazingly hot and the AC is ice cold, yes it has functioning ac. It gets 26mpg+. Oh, and it stopped burning oil over the last 2,000 miles... I like to think I broke the rings free. I do drive it like it owes me money, though it absolutely doesn't at $800.

I once bought a "nice" looking 95 Camry with low miles on it with the 4 banger. It lasted 2 weeks of babying it before the temp gauge went from ideal to pegged hot and almost immediately popped the head gasket. My Durango saw 300F+ for an indeterminate amount of time and never had a problem related to that.

Moral of the story? Don't be afraid of the high mileage. They made it to that point after all. Just maybe (okay definitely) not an example like my Cobalt for them.

I love this stupid car.
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Fearing a large number on an odometer is a fear of the unknown. Fear is not a great emotion to employ when shopping.

My kids are in two cars. Car #1 is a 99 Camry with 129k, I got it four years ago with 100k. Powertrain has been ok; it pooped a water pump that made me tow it home. Needed all sorts of suspension work and still clunks despite struts, mounts, and end links. Rust isn't an issue. Paid $750.

Car #2 is an 08 Prius with 258k. Not rusty, shows some rubbing body damage on passenger doors. 12v battery died, needed jump start to un-strand. Converted to a cheaper AGM "wheelchair battery". HV battery seems healthy. Paid $1100.

Neither car burn oil, both have working AC! I don't claim credit for maintaining them before the points of my purchase, but do credit myself for checking them out thoroughly and knowing the market. If OP sticks to what he knows, even gets a clone of something he owns, he'll do ok.
 
My daughters (yes, twins) will be driving age in due time and my wife and I were talking about car options for them when they get there. It so happened that I have a 2025 Accord rental right now, nice car, comfy, gutless down low so she started looking back at older Accords, 10 years or so.

She got concerned about the number of miles on some of these 10 year old cars to get the cost down and it made me think.

I feel like I would be more comfortable buying a 180k vehicle than a 100k mile vehicle.

In our era, it really doesn't take much effort to get a vehicle to live to 100k miles, half@#$ (maybe even quarter@#$) maintenance will get it there. However, to get to 175k-200k+ I believe you actually have to take care of it fairly appropriately.

I understand that there is an ultimate end of life for the vehicle at some point, but for a teenage to bop around in, we're not looking for another 50k out of it.

Thoughts?
This sounds like a job for @macarose. You know exactly what model you want, and he has great access to wholesale dealer auctions countrywide. He also pays extremely close attention to service history of the vehicles.
 
The question of how far a car will go is of great interest to me. The question of whether one should buy a car with high mileage, or instead choose one with very high mileage is also interesting, and while it might seem related to the first question, it is entirely different.

My thoughts are that "going the distance" in a car, that is getting up to 200k and beyond, is best attempted on a car that you buy and maintain from new. You know what has happened to the car, have already sweated making the right vehicle choice, and you have removed as much uncertainty as you can.

A car with 100,000 miles on it may have many years and many miles left, or it may be moribund. You need to look at it and make your best judgment, keep some cash or a credit line for the unexpected, and don't neglect maintenance.

A car with 180,000 miles on it admittedly has made it that far, but the statistics show that the average car's total lifespan in about 160,000 miles. While some go much farther, and some go less, any car that is at 180,000 miles has to be considered to be past its usable life span.

For me, I would summarily refuse to purchase a 180,000 mile car as daily transportation. I would consider a car with 100,000 miles reluctantly. I would prefer a less used car and would always, always be sure that a new Corolla or Civic was beyond my reasonable budget. I will reiterate, that even though some 180K cars may have some life left, buying one is betting against yourself and flies in the face of the science.

Now, I do have a car in the driveway that is very close to 180K, and I am going to keep on driving it, but it came to us fresh off the showroom floor ten years ago.
 
My daughters (yes, twins) will be driving age in due time and my wife and I were talking about car options for them when they get there. It so happened that I have a 2025 Accord rental right now, nice car, comfy, gutless down low so she started looking back at older Accords, 10 years or so.

She got concerned about the number of miles on some of these 10 year old cars to get the cost down and it made me think.

I feel like I would be more comfortable buying a 180k vehicle than a 100k mile vehicle.

In our era, it really doesn't take much effort to get a vehicle to live to 100k miles, half@#$ (maybe even quarter@#$) maintenance will get it there. However, to get to 175k-200k+ I believe you actually have to take care of it fairly appropriately.

I understand that there is an ultimate end of life for the vehicle at some point, but for a teenage to bop around in, we're not looking for another 50k out of it.

Thoughts?
Two simple questions.

How much can you spend?

How much are you willing to invest?

These two questions have two answers. Feel free to share.
 
My only comment in this thread is that, all things being equal, I would absolutely take the 100K vehicle over the 180K vehicle. You can take any car to 300K miles if you replace enough stuff, and IME after 200K things really start to go south no matter what the brand so you'll be much closer to replacing those parts with 180K car. You're simply reaching the end of the vehicles design life.
 
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