Hybrid fobia is marginalized

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Originally Posted By: [email protected]

Wow, completely disagree. I went from a cushy GMC SUV to a Prius this past September and it drives NICER than my Envoy did.


I'd suspect almost any standard size sedan would drive and handle better than a big SUV.
 
Originally Posted By: css9450
Originally Posted By: [email protected]

Wow, completely disagree. I went from a cushy GMC SUV to a Prius this past September and it drives NICER than my Envoy did.


I'd suspect almost any standard size sedan would drive and handle better than a big SUV.


Try riding in a Denali, Escalade or Navigator or Lexus SUV with air suspension. Those all ride really nice.
 
Originally Posted By: css9450
I'd suspect almost any standard size sedan would drive and handle better than a big SUV.


Not according to the Prius/hybrid haters...

Before I bought the Prius I investigated reviews on the web. I was convinced the thing was an econobox, driving feel akin to riding on the back of a mule in the Klondike. The car is no Nascar winner but it definitely can hold its own- not to mention a Prius 0-60 time is quicker than a 4-cylinder equipped Dodge Avenger.

Anyway, the propaganda against the Hybrids is just that.. and it couldnt be any further from the truth.

Btw, I grew up in Detroit and live in the suburbs now. I in no way consider myself "green" or a hippie or whatever. My boat gets 1.5mpg. I dont think I fit any stereotypes and from what Ive read, the hybrid owner stereotypes are changing fast.
 
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Originally Posted By: The_Jake


Try riding in a Denali, Escalade or Navigator or Lexus SUV with air suspension. Those all ride really nice.


My Envoy did have factory GM air suspension. Albeit it was rear air...
 
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Originally Posted By: [email protected]
The car is no Nascar winner but it definitely can hold its own- not to mention a Prius 0-60 time is quicker than a 4-cylinder equipped Dodge Avenger.


You'd never be able to tell that by the way they drive them around here. It's like it's a contest to see who can accelerate the most slowly after the light turns green.
 
Originally Posted By: [email protected]
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
the only thing californians prove by buying prius's is they have no taste in vehicles. it drives absolutely terrible.



Wow, completely disagree. I went from a cushy GMC SUV to a Prius this past September and it drives NICER than my Envoy did.


The Envoy(and siblings) was a dreadful third tier SUV at best unfortunately. Old GM design ideas. Very easy to get better everything with a vehicle.

I concur a Prius is a comfortable car however driving dynamics are absolute nothing and disconnected. Most buyers don't care but some do including me and wife.
 
So if someone does not care to drive a hybrid (in this case hybrid = Prius, apparently) why does that have to be a "fobia" (sic)?
 
All the Taxi cabs here are now Priuses (Prei ?) changed from Ford CV's
Cab drivers reluctant at first, but now they generally seem to love them.
 
The Gooberment still wants their money.

Automakers come out with fine vehicles like the Prius and other fuel friendly vehicles and now there are proposed mileage taxes in my state. People are never going to save. We’ll have to pay one way or another.
 
Originally Posted By: rjundi

I concur a Prius is a comfortable car however driving dynamics are absolute nothing and disconnected. Most buyers don't care but some do including me and wife.


Well I dont agree with you on that either, but am willing to let it go. I find the Prius to be as connected as any other car, heck I even like the regenerative brakes. The car has electric power steering like a lot of newer cars these days (most cars?) which I dont think its fair to say is disconnected feeling because you always get some feel of disconnect with electric PS.

Im new to the whole hybrid game, heck this is the first "foreign" vehicle Ive ever owned. Ive driven GM/Ford/Chrysler's since I started driving in 1996. Since I wrench on cars on the side, Ive owned over 40 different cars/trucks in my driving years as it is a fun hobby of mine to buy cars with bad engines/transmissions or other calamities and re-selling them after I fix them up and drive them for a while. A professional I am not, a connoisseur... maybe. But I know how vehicles handle and drive from a Dodge Ram to a Cadillac to a Ford Focus to a GMC Envoy. I wouldnt have bought the Prius had I thought it was disconnected or underwhelming.

I have to ask: When did you last drive a Prius and for how long? I ask because most (not saying this applies to you) people havent ever driven one but feel free to make assertions based on FUD.
 
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Many Prius have done massive mileages in minicab usage in London since they came to market in 2001.

They were not adopted en masse straight away it took till around 2003/4 for lots of minicab (Private Hire) companies to jump on the low emissions bandwagon.

But there are some 07 plates still being used for work that have been doing 40/50k miles a year since new.

There are no rumours of battery pack failure either. And such things normally go round pretty fast.
 
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
How is hybrid-phobia marginalized if the looney-fringe state of California makes it the best-selling car within the state?
If I looked at car sales statistics in the state of Texas, I could probably safely conclude that hybrid-phobia is mainstream.

Amazing how threads on a vehicle far more advanced than most bring out the bigotry and ignorance.
 
Originally Posted By: Kiwi_ME
Amazing how threads on a vehicle far more advanced than most bring out the bigotry and ignorance.


Yeah it sure does!! Now at this point we can finally see through it though.

The FUD is very easily transparent now more than ever as the Prius and other hybrids have logged how many tens of millions of miles and all of the major problems never came true. For example, the $10,000 battery pack that fails before 100,000 miles. Or the first responders that come to a crash site with a hybrid cant rescue the passengers of said hybrid vehicle because live 80amp 200 volt wires would be hanging from the doors and the the headliner of the hybrid car.... //rollseyes
 
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Originally Posted By: [email protected]
Originally Posted By: Kiwi_ME
Amazing how threads on a vehicle far more advanced than most bring out the bigotry and ignorance.


Yeah it sure does!! Now at this point we can finally see through it though.

The FUD is very easily transparent now more than ever as the Prius and other hybrids have logged how many tens of millions of miles and all of the major problems never came true. For example, the $10,000 battery pack that fails before 100,000 miles. Or the first responders that come to a crash site with a hybrid cant rescue the passengers of said hybrid vehicle because live 80amp 200 volt wires would be hanging from the doors and the the headliner of the hybrid car.... //rollseyes


I can't find an example of where a first responder could not rescue an accident victim in a hybrid but he rumor continues. The replacement cost of a Prius battery is not anywhere close to $10,000 the last time I checked the battery replacement cost was around $2,400. Also I have not heard of a case where a Prius battery has failed before 150,000 miles, much less 100,000 miles. In fact, in California the battery pack has 10 year 150,000 mile warranty.

As far as the Prius goes, I personally did not care for the ride, looks, or interior. My wife liked it and it did work as advertised. We never had a problem with our 2008 and it averaged about 47 mpg lifetime. Now, as much as my wife liked the Prius, she absolutely loves the Volt.
 
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Originally Posted By: Sunnyinhollister
Can you actually quote an example of where a first responder could not rescue an accident victim in a hybrid? The replacement cost of a Prius battery is not anywhere close to $10,000 the last time I checked the battery replacement cost was around $2,400. Also I have not heard of a case where a Prius battery has failed before 150,000 miles, much less 100,000 miles. In fact, in California the battery pack has 10 year 150,000 mile warranty. It would help to get your facts straight before posting.

As far as the Prius goes, I personally did not care for the ride, looks, or interior. My wife liked it and it did work as advertised. We never had a problem with our 2008 and it averaged about 47 mpg lifetime. Now, as much as my wife liked the Prius, she absolutely loves the Volt.


Sunny, I know!! Thats the carp I hear & read as a Prius owner. Pretty much how you responded is how I respond. It never happened, and the haters cant find a source. They base all of their "problems" with hybrids off of FUD.
 
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Originally Posted By: Kiwi_ME
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
How is hybrid-phobia marginalized if the looney-fringe state of California makes it the best-selling car within the state?
If I looked at car sales statistics in the state of Texas, I could probably safely conclude that hybrid-phobia is mainstream.

Amazing how threads on a vehicle far more advanced than most bring out the bigotry and ignorance.


In this message I am criticizing the tone of a "news" article that is intended to shape public opinion instead of inform it. In it, the author is cherry-picking a fact that the Prius was the best-selling car in California for a year, and then trys to convince the reader that it is a nationwide movement.
What about the other 49 states in which the Prius is not the best-selling car? Are the citizens thereof now to be labelled auto-bigots? I laid Texas out as an example of a state that would likely have a very different car-buying demographic, in which the Prius would not have as much sales penetration as the Ford F150.
 
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The California Air Resources Board approved $27 million for its Air Quality Improvement Program, a statewide effort to provide incentives for the purchase of advanced-technology passenger cars and heavy-duty trucks.

ARB will use the majority of those funds for its California Clean Vehicle Rebate Project to provide incentives for the purchase of zero-emission and plug-in hybrid passenger cars. Complementing this investment will be up to an additional $5 million dollars from the California Energy Commission.

There will also be an additional $10 million in incentives for hybrid and zero-emission trucks and buses. Another $2 million of funding will be used for advanced-technology demonstration projects supporting the commercialization of new vehicle and equipment technologies.

Since this program began in 2008 there have been more than 7,500 passenger cars and more than a thousand trucks or buses
that have received incentives through the Air Quality Improvement Program.

The program is designed to accelerate the number of ultra-clean vehicles sold in California and help establish a sustainable market. The program also supports the Advanced Clean Car regulation ARB adopted earlier this year. (Earlier post.) That regulatory package builds on California’s already tough standards to reduce smog-forming and greenhouse gas emissions, including a separate requirement that one in seven new cars sold in 2025 in California be zero emission.

Information on the rebate project, including an application and required documents, list of eligible vehicles, and real-time funding status is available at www.cvrp.energycenter.org.

The vehicle rebate project is one of several consumer incentives funded under California Alternative and Renewable Fuel, Vehicle Technology, Clean Air, and Carbon Reduction Act of 2007 (AB 118).

The Air Quality Improvement Program (AQIP) is a voluntary incentive program created under that law, allowing up to $40 million per year, depending on revenues, through 2015 for ARB to fund advanced technologies needed to meet long-term air quality and climate change goals.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2012/06/arb-20120629.html

So the fact that these cars are selling better in a state with additional subsidies is proof that hybrids are gaining more public acceptance?

Nice logic there.

The only true way to tell how popular and valuable these cars are to the public is to allow the consumer to pay full value of the labor/material/energy that it took to bring them to market.
Subsidies necessarily short circuit this resource utilization feedback.
 
Originally Posted By: Tempest

So the fact that these cars are selling better in a state with additional subsidies is proof that hybrids are gaining more public acceptance?



Hey don't be a FUD!
 
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