Hybrid fobia is marginalized

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from USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/story/driveon/2013/01/22/toyota-prius-honda-civic-california/1856721/

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Toyota Prius was the best-selling car in the Golden State last year.

Californians registered 60,688 of the new Prius hybrids in 2012, nearly one out of every five subcompacts, the California New Cars Dealers Association reports. It bested the Honda Civic, at 57,124. Prius' ascent shows how hybrids, once considered exotic because of their ability to run on electricity alone, are becoming mainstream.

Sure, gas prices climbed last year, giving an edge to hybrids, but the Prius continues to be a hit. Consumer Reports calls it the nation's best new-car bargain. "It's extremely reliable and roomy, rides well, has secure handling and is super-cheap to operate," the magazine writes in its February issue. How cheap? 49 cents a mile when everything is factored in.

Toyota held a 21.1% market share in the state, followed by Honda at 12.5% and Ford and General Motors, each with a bit more than 11%, based on a new-vehicle registrations. Kia had the biggest increase in market share, up 53.3%.

California, typically the country's biggest state for new-vehicle sales, continues to crave import brands. The Detroit Big 3's market share is 29.7% in California, compared with 44.5% for the nation overall. Californians also prefer cars to trucks. Of all the vehicles registered in the state last year, 62.9% were cars, compared with 51.6% for the nation.
 
The reliability of the prius is without question. It remains the standard in the segment.

I really think that Cali does not represent the entire country, that info is very specific to a state with unique demographics!
 
How is hybrid-phobia marginalized if the looney-fringe state of California makes it the best-selling car within the state?

If I looked at car sales statistics in the state of Texas, I could probably safely conclude that hybrid-phobia is mainstream.
 
The Prius is a decent hybrid but the author fails to note the high density of "tree huggers" in California per-capita compared to the rest of the nation. I wonder what the market share of Pinot Noir and Brie cheese and Sierra Club hats are in comparison.
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Isn't the success and popularity of the hybrids in California thanks mainly to a change in CARB's requirements some years ago? I recall reading about 15 years ago or so, CARB mandated a certain percentage of zero-emissions cars must be sold from each manufacturer, something that hybrids are not. Hence the development of cars like the GM EV-1. It was only later that a change in the legislation allowed hybrid sales to fulfill the CARB mandate. I wonder how much further development of the all-electric car would have gone without such a change in California's legislation.
 
I think around here, it is very seldom the tree huggers that are doing the buying. Its the folks that have a long commute and dont want to spend nearly twice (or more) the money on fuel. Access to HOV lanes is another perk that pushed a lot of folks to choose, because again, time is money and money is money.
 
Statistical average is eleven years to break even for the premium paid for hybrids - even after rebates. So, if you like the car, why not. But, don't expect it to pay for itself in gas savings any time soon.

I am not dissing hybrids, BTW.
 
When we first purchased our Prius many people assumed that we were Tree Hugger's, etc which in Texas is derogatory. That couldn't be further from the truth in describing US. We just needed a reliable vehicle with great gas mileage because of the nature of my wife's job. The '06 Prius now has 180,000 miles on it, and outside of engine oil, trans-axle fluid changes and tires the only real work I have had to do to it was change the ICE water pump which was $35 and about 2 hours labor with a 6pack.
When and if the Hybrid pack goes bad I will purchase a rebuilt pack, salvage pack or rebuild my own. I have learned a-lot about this car over the years including how to rebuilding the Hybrid battery.
We will likely purchase another Prius in the next year or two and the old one will become my daily driver so I can park the truck. Overall it is a fantastic vehicle and I believe Toyota absolutely set the standard and everyone else is trying to catch up. Ford is getting close with the C-Max and even the Fusion. We have (25) 2012 Fusion hybrids here at work and they are averaging about 35mpg's, not great but the 2013 is supposedly in the mid 40's. Real world experience with the 2013 Fusion is anticipated and could likely decide our future Fleet vehicle purchases.
 
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Statistical average is eleven years to break even for the premium paid for hybrids - even after rebates. So, if you like the car, why not. But, don't expect it to pay for itself in gas savings any time soon.

I am not dissing hybrids, BTW.


That's entirely dependent upon the type of car you were swapping from. Within a class of vehicles, perhaps. But nothing says that most people were going to buy a rio or civic and instead went with a prius.

Our neighbors went from an infiniti G37 to a prius. That's reality. WHere are the numbers on that?
 
My personal feeling on hybrids is wonderful 0-150k. However the chances of exorbitant repair bills come in and scare me off.

I have steered folks to recent 100k+ Corolla's and Civic's who commute and they could not be happier. They have proven simple drive trains that are inexpensive to repair. Even new that Prius 10-15MPG delta in highway MPG over small cars is really hard to makeup.

In my area there is no phobia of hybrids. I find it interesting that the folks who are truly wealthy don't buy them. They drive mostly older standard vehicles in loaded form.
 
Originally Posted By: rjundi
I find it interesting that the folks who are truly wealthy don't buy them. They drive mostly older standard vehicles in loaded form.


If you look at the stats long term, that has always been the case. No hybrid iinfluence there IMO...
 
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Statistical average is eleven years to break even for the premium paid for hybrids - even after rebates. So, if you like the car, why not. But, don't expect it to pay for itself in gas savings any time soon.

I am not dissing hybrids, BTW.


+1. My friend has two Prius. One is fine the other has had several problems that only Toyota would attempt to fix. All the potiential fuel savings are Kaput. He does get about 10MPG better than my Focus ,so for the average driver it's not woth the cost to buy a Prius. Feel good thing I guess.
 
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Originally Posted By: The_Jake
The Prius is a decent hybrid but the author fails to note the high density of "tree huggers" in California per-capita compared to the rest of the nation. I wonder what the market share of Pinot Noir and Brie cheese and Sierra Club hats are in comparison.
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+1 The "beautiful people" love to be seen in them, but not for long trips.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
That's entirely dependent upon the type of car you were swapping from. Within a class of vehicles, perhaps. But nothing says that most people were going to buy a rio or civic and instead went with a prius.

Our neighbors went from an infiniti G37 to a prius. That's reality. WHere are the numbers on that?


That's the thing about averages. There will be real world experiences on the high AND low side. It takes a lot of fuel savings to pay for the thousands in premium paid for a hybrid. And, that is rightly so. There is a lot expensive technology housed in those cars. I am sure there are people out there who drive enough miles to break even sooner than eleven years just as there are those that will never break even.

But, as is typical for this site, no statement can be made without others chiming in to refute it, regardless of how little difference it makes. It's pretty much discouraging me from making ANY statements.
 
the only thing californians prove by buying prius's is they have no taste in vehicles. it drives absolutely terrible.
 
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
the only thing californians prove by buying prius's is they have no taste in vehicles. it drives absolutely terrible.



Wow, completely disagree. I went from a cushy GMC SUV to a Prius this past September and it drives NICER than my Envoy did. The seats are more comfortable, its A LOT quieter and of course from the E-CVT, smoother. Ill never go back. Im not smug, Im not a "pretty" person either. The car handles great in Michigan winter (what little we've had nonetheless) and hasnt yet had any problems in the snow.
 
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: The_Jake
The Prius is a decent hybrid but the author fails to note the high density of "tree huggers" in California per-capita compared to the rest of the nation. I wonder what the market share of Pinot Noir and Brie cheese and Sierra Club hats are in comparison.
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+1 The "beautiful people" love to be seen in them, but not for long trips.


No long trips for the "pretty people" require limos or private jets...both of which are very green....Oh the hypocracy....
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