So the person that doesn't own one is telling people who own one how bad it is???
Hybrid electric water heater - anyone install one?
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PEX for the win on that. Super easy to work with and you don't necessarily need the super expensive crimpers that crimp the rings, the other clamps work just fine.
These:
That's what I did my install with and had 0 leaks from the get-go.
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The "crimpers" have gotten cheaper.
the cinch style about 20$
Here is a decent crimp style for under $50
https://www.iwiss.com/products/iws-...per-crimp-rings-c-w-pex-cutter-go-no-go-gauge
You might need a pocket crimper for up in tight places. (kind you actuate with vice grips/plyers)
There is also a sharkbite flex line set that works acceptably.
This is the crimper I have.
You're right though, if you're working in a tight space you might have to figure out a way around it, but that would be the case for any kind of crimp.
I already had one and it broke, that's why I don't like them. So don't assume I never had one.
How do you think I know they provide weak hot water in heatpump only mode?
Years of first hand experience.
How do you think I know hard water kills them?
First hand experience.
How do you think I know no one would buy them with out a huge tax credit?
First hand experience.
So get out of here with that "well you don't know what you're talking about" nonsense.
Fair enough. But which gen.. the newer stuff is SIGNIFICANTLY better.
If it was too weak why didnt you run it in hybrid mode?
Regen isnt much different than regular electric in hybrid mode.
User error?
How did hard water kill yours?
I didnt have much trouble with 2 of them. first one did rust out at the union due to incompetence of installer (came with house 8+ years old)
My city water is over 400ppm in the summer. No issues with hard water.. not sure what issues a hpwh would have vs a regular electric.
if anything it would be less prone to issues.
Not mine. Your experience set of 1 instance doesn't seem typical.
The credit is nice and at least its not on a toy that only people making 100k a year can take full advantage of.
The electric difference pays off in about 2 years.. even without credit.. unless you have extremely cheap electric.
Bought a Rheem 50 gal one from Home Depot in Dec2018. I only received a $300 Federal tax credit. I save roughly $30 a month on my electric bill, up to $48/month in the summer. It's in the two car garage and will not cool it down although when going into the house during the summer it blows cool air whilst unlocking the house door. Actually it doesn't come on much during the summer it's so efficient. It's set at 120F. It's already paid for itself. I installed it using copper pipe and watching on-line videos. Don't like the plasticness of PEX tubing. It has touchscreen controls and a wireless app and remote water leak detection on the app.
Forget all that noise. I'm sticking with the old school ones, I can keep them going for 20 to 30 years. I know the same can't be said about that hybrid trash.
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I heard that hybrid water heaters are good and really help out when they’re installed in basements since they can function as a dehumidifier. Only bad I heard is the heat pump would crap out but I think that were older models and maybe GE had a bad run of units.
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20-30 yrs out of what?
Well I'd save about $10000 in electricity over 30 years(maybe more with new more efficient model in 10 years)
so I'll keep my trash hybrid and wish you luck keeping anything modern working for 30 years.
Also Save another $10000 not running a dehumidifier in my basement for next 30 years
Of course since everything goes up... which includes the cost of electricity that is a very conservative estimate.
I believe he is referring to a conventional tank water heater.
I've found the cooling effect in my garage to be about the same. If it were July and I closed my garage door and let the hot water run in the house constantly, it still wouldn't pull enough heat out of the garage to make me think it was 'cooled'.
Of course, that's not what I'm after, the hotter in the garage, the better.
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Right, 20-30 yrs that’s hilarious
Cool story. Don't have a basement, not interested.
How much money are you really saving after replacing it 3 or 4 times over 30 years and getting it repaired at least several times?
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Old style electric and gas hot water heaters.
Seems hilarious if you're like most people, install them, forget about them until they start leaking or stop working. Then yeah 20 years on a hot water heater would be an impossible number to you.
It's not impossible if you know there's a sacrifical anode inside them that needs to be replaced.
Typically the anode is completely gone within 5 years and the hot water heater rusts out in 2 or 3 years after the anode is gone.
How do you think steel ships last 50 years in salt water, same technology, sacrifical anodes.
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You’re comparing apples to oranges there. Much more goes into ship maintenance. But I understand you expressing your point
So prior to this moment you didn't know hot water heaters even had a sacrifical anode?
With a water softener my propane water heaters last well over 20 years. In hard well water. I drain a bit every year but nothing comes out. And the first thing I do with a new one is take the anode rod out. It gives me some sulfide smell with them in.
I was just looking at a hybrid. But really don't want a electric heater. And it's in my garage which at times needs the waste heat. Though it's triple wrapped in insulation and uses very little gas to maintain. Still an old time one with pilot.
