HP vs DELL vs MAC - my recent experience

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Sorry this is so long, but had to vent and put in complete details...

So my 6 year old HP/Vista laptop died in December. It had been near perfect, only locked up 2-3 times and that was corrected with updates. But the motherboard was dead, so I started shopping. My primary requirement for a computer is reliability. Speed is not that important, for several reasons to include the fact that today's speed demon is comparatively slow in 6 months, and I buy computers to keep and use, not to upgrade twice per year. Added to that, I don't do anything requiring high end graphics such as online gaming, so ultimate speed means little in my case.

First instinct was to go with HP again, after the great service the previous computer had given. So I ordered online (going to store not an option due to residence location) a computer that was not top of the line, but surpassed my previous computer in speed and memory by a factor of 3. It was shipped from China.

Upon arrival, started up and tested the computer. The buttons and keys were complete feces. Some wouldn't work unless you pressed them multiple times or very firmly(like as hard as you could with 2 fingers), others would provide 2 or 3 clicks per press. I used it for 2 weeks in the hope that it would loosen up and start working properly, but was disappointed. Since there was a 30-day return policy, it went back to the company. In the interim I had found out (from a friend in IT) that HP had fallen on hard times and their build quality had suffered, so I decided to go with my second instinct.



Second instinct: DELL. I have owned Dell in the past and was quite happy with them, and a few folks I know have Dell computers and say they are good to go. So I ponied up the couple hundred additional for the Dell and awaited arrival. And waited, and waited. Shipped from Tennessee to Montana, you would think it would arrive in a realistic time, but it took 19 days from date of order to arrive. 19. By FedEx. China again, via Tennessee maybe?

When it finally arrived and I opened it up, it had a power cord for the UK. Grrrr. So contacted Dell, (45 minute phone call) who were nice enough to send a replacement cord for the US. Oh but they also gave me the admonishment that if I did not return the incorrect cord to them, I would void my warranty. (Really?) At least sending the cord back would have been free.

The keys on the Dell were crisp, the computer worked well ... until I attempted to connect to the internet via WiFi. Then the frustration began, with frequent disconnects, despite close proximity to the hub and settings configured to "stay connected". At random times, it would simply disconnect, often during a simple page change or while sending email. This despite testing with multiple WiFi hubs and providers. Then spent over 3 hours on the phone with Dell support, while they took command of the computer, changed settings, downloaded new drivers, changed this and fiddled with that. (I'm no luddite but some of the things/areas they were accessing were new to me). At the end of the call they said that should take care of the issue, and they scheduled a callback in 3 days to follow up.

Within 6 hours, the computer was up to its old tricks. I received an email from Dell referencing the service call, with a reply address. I requested an immediate call for support and detailed the complete history.

Neither the 3 day callback nor the request for immediate support occurred. While I was waiting I did my own online research and tried several different approaches to correct the issue all to no avail. After day 5, (enough!) I sent the computer back to Dell under their 30 day policy. This must have triggered something in their system, for later that day I received a call offering further support and a free replacement of the WiFi card in the computer; this was from the same guy (in India) that had performed the original changes remotely. I told them the computer had already been dropped off at the UPS facility.



My third impulse, and one that I have considered for a few years now, was getting a Mac. With the reputation of "it just works" (without fiddling with settings and drivers, etc) as well as their renowned customer service, I had often considered trying one. But the price had always put me off a bit, as well as the differences in the interface. But after taking a look online, there are plenty of how-to's on changing from IBM to Mac, many but not all done by Apple. And when compared to an IBM clone with similar processors, memory and hard drive, the price was actually pretty close. So I ordered the Mac.

I had a couple of chats with Apple reps during this time and spoke to them once; all fantastic experiences, all with folks from the US. 3 days after ordering, the computer arrived, the sun came out and I have not looked back. This thing is not only faster than the Dell (less than 10 seconds to install Java as opposed to more than 90 for the Dell with the same memory and processor) but the keys...work. The WiFi...works. The interface...works and although challenging in some aspects it's a breeze in others and I actually welcome the fresh outlook provided by the OS.

Simple. Functional. Intuitive. I think I have become a Mac snob.



Thanks for reading, if you're considering a Mac, just do it.
 
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I've got 5. Imac, Macbook Air and 3 Macbook pros. Bullet proof. No viruses. No garbage. I'm long done with PC and Windows.
 
Im happy with my work HP, but had big issues with the multiple dells we have had before that. Never an issue with Mac, and their lifecycle is superior, in that older machines work superior over the long run, IMO/IME. Im sure there will be plenty of flames, but your experience mirrors mine. And before people talk about cost, they should do like you and I and compare apples to apples (hahaha) specs, especially displays with the same pixel density.
 
When people ask me which kind of computer to buy (like a laptop) there are very few worth buying. I usually recommend IBM T-series or Dell Latitude series. I have 3 Lenovo/IBM's and they all work perfect with awesome keyboards. (One of the best things about these machines)

The regular consumer grade stuff you see from HP and Dell in the stores is as you say.. Feces.

Glad you finally found something you like though.

Most users are like yourself, just want something that works.
 
My Toshiba Setellite that cost $300 4 years ago is running fine. It replace another Satellite that was 8 years old at the time. The old one still works but is slow. I could never pay $1000 for a laptop when Toshiba has served me so well.
 
Thanks for sharing your story Kuato. I have two Macs that were given to me DOA and I fixed them both: A 13" black Macbook and a 17" iMac. Both work fine now. Congrats on your final success.

I'm curious which HP & Dell models you had issues with.
 
Mac is just too expensive. I just got a new laptop about a month or so ago, its a basic HP 2000 with AMD E-300 processor..very basic. But I like it, its simplistic, and built very well for what I paid for it. I bought the 2 year warranty because my last laptop, a Samsung suffered a screen crack due to me rolling on it (on accident of course). I have never been an HP guy but this basic laptop really impresses me.
 
Originally Posted By: SLCraig
When people ask me which kind of computer to buy (like a laptop) there are very few worth buying. I usually recommend IBM T-series or Dell Latitude series. I have 3 Lenovo/IBM's and they all work perfect with awesome keyboards. (One of the best things about these machines)

The regular consumer grade stuff you see from HP and Dell in the stores is as you say.. Feces.

Glad you finally found something you like though.

Most users are like yourself, just want something that works.


I could not agree more. The corporate grade IBM and Dells really hold up well. We have some aging D630s in our fleet at work and while they aren't the quickest, they still get the job done.

PCs can be tough for some... I build all of my own desktops and keep them for a long time. However, I'm completely in control of the components and do buy high end pieces. We have a couple of laptops (3-4 years old) in the family and they are doing well, just put some SSDs in them and they will probably be good for another 2-3 years. These machines, however, are built well.

I also agree that a lot of the stuff in the stores these days is trash. I had to return an HP Pavilion notebook three times to Best Buy about two years ago. First one no sound, second one keyboard made weird sounds, and third one had a dead video adapter. Macs are a bit pricier, but they are beautiful, last a long time, have good components.

If/when the need for a laptop comes up, I'd consider a MacBook Air. I used one for a month or so and really liked the machine. Boy did it fly!
 
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Our desktop manager where I work, who supports 8000 Windows desktops and laptops, was asked by the admin aid what type of computer to buy, Dell, HP or Lenovo. Before she got 15 seconds into asking about performance, longevity etc, he replied "just buy a Mac"
 
I think the moral of the story here is not that one brand is better than another, but rather that you get what you pay for. My wife rocks a MacBook Pro and I have a Lenovo T430. Both work incredibly well, but they are are both "high end".
 
Originally Posted By: SF0059
I think the moral of the story here is not that one brand is better than another, but rather that you get what you pay for. My wife rocks a MacBook Pro and I have a Lenovo T430. Both work incredibly well, but they are are both "high end".


Well said.
 
I've had good luck with Dells. Typing this on an old Latitude D620 from 2006, I have a Studio from 2009 that hasn't hiccuped in 5 years and I have a company issued Latitude E6410 that is great also.

No complaints here!
 
I like both Windows and Mac computers. Both have their good points and bad points. But I recommend custom built Windows computers if you do anything more than basic stuff. And I like iMacs. Mac Pros are now out of sight in cost.

Unless a person has very basic needs I don't recommend a computer running Linux. If all a person does is use the internet, email, Facebook, Twitter, and maybe an occasional letter a Linux computer is okay.

I do more than that including working on photos, videos, and printing photo quality photographs.
 
I don't know if buying high end is automatically a ticket to trouble free computing, but it sure does help. Actually, to me, it's more about the individual components that make up the computer and knowing what you're buying and doing the requisite research...and patience. If you just run in to XYZ store and buy what they have you're well on your way to disappointment. There is just a ton of free help available online for making computer buying decisions. If people would just take advantage of it.
 
In all my work experience I have never had issues with Dell, or HP. I have used business grade dell and hp desktops which always performed well. Personal use i bought a dell dimension 2400 about 13 years ago and it wont die. I have not had one issue with it! Bulletproof..whereas my dad has had multiple issues on his mac. Not to say i dislike macs. I had a compaq laptop which was complete junk and am now using a generally high end HP laptop and the quality is excellent. I agree with the others that you need to compare an Apple with an HP, Dell or Lenovo of the same price to obtain a similar experience.

PS. My dell took long to arrive too..but thats cuz they assemble it when you order it (or at least thats what i was told)
 
Macs do occasionally have problems. I was lucky that I had an extended warranty on my eMac when the monitor went out. A Mac can have a problem like any other computer. If a person buys a Mac and has any problems in that first year be sure to get repairs done before the one year is up. An extended warranty is expensive but Macs are expensive and if anything ever goes wrong on a Mac and you have an extended warranty you are going to be very thankful. Forget trying to repair some Macs by yourself. A Windows computer can be repaired possibly by yourself, often just by replacing a component.
 
Originally Posted By: sleddriver
Thanks for sharing your story Kuato. I have two Macs that were given to me DOA and I fixed them both: A 13" black Macbook and a 17" iMac. Both work fine now. Congrats on your final success.

I'm curious which HP & Dell models you had issues with.


Thanks.

Dell was Inspiron 15R

HP was I think a Pavilion 17. I was amazed at the difference in build quality between late 07 and present day.
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I do more than that including working on photos, videos, and printing photo quality photographs.

I understand your point about photo editing, but Linux handles video editing extremely well, and printing proper photographs is a breeze.
 
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