How Visa, Using Card Fees, Dominates a Market

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The merchants decide if they are going to accept the card or not. Of course the banks are going to steer you towards the option that makes the most in fees for them.

Many stores issue their own cards and offer discounts if you shop with the store card.

So we play the game. Every year or so, my wife or I get a "new" JCPenny card or some other card to get the 5, 10 or 20% off when opening a new account. We pay it off in full and often close it later. Then the other one opens an account.

The bottom line is it's not some sort of conspiracy, it's an attempt to attract business and drive revenue. The stores think you'll shop with them more once you have their card. Visa and MasterCard both sell the convenience to both card holders and merchants who accept the cards. Neither has to hand cash or checks with the cards, regardless if they are debit or credit. So while the merchant may pay $1 or $3 on a $100 transaction, they don't have to process checks, or handle cash on that transaction saving on labor in the back office.

People are genuinely ignorant about MasterCard and Visa. As the article said, neither company issues cards. They market products and provide a network for their member banks to process transactions.

For most transactions, neither MC or Visa approve the transaction. The transaction has to go to the issuing bank for approval. In rare occassions, MC (and perhaps Visa) would stand in for approvals, but typically only for small transactions if the member bank couldn't approve it.

The other thing you might notice is that both MC and Visa were not public companies until the last few years. MC was one of my customers years ago, and they were an association of member banks. So they didn't turn a profit. They had to spend everything. The 401(k) match was pretty nice. Something like 217%.

Now both have gone public and are working to make profits.

But most folks don't realize that it's the banks who issue MC and Visa cards, not MC and Visa themselves. I hear folks blaming MC and Visa for the big bills, the big interest, etc, when the truth is it's the issuing bank.

Whatever you use, debit or credit, don't spend more than you make, pay your bill in full each month when it comes to credit, and don't do the sorts of things that generate fees. I.E. pay your bill on time, don't go over your credit limit, etc.

No one forces a merchant or a consumer to use or take the cards. If it were so bad for merchants, then they can simply refuse and take only cash and checks.

If it's so bad for the consumer, then they can stop using their cards and pay with cash or check.

It really is that simple for 99.44% of the cases. For the other 0.56% of the time you need to rent a car, use your CREDIT card and pay it in full when you get the bill.

I've yet to see a store that doesn't take cash.

PS, I rarely use debit, I use credit cards that pay me cash back. The only place I use my debit card is at the ATM to get cash, and then typically only at my bank's ATM. However, my bank will refund ATM charges from other banks, so there really is no reason for me to seek out a specific ATM.

It's not all bad out there. Pay your bills, stash some money, and banks will work WITH you, not against you.
 
nice write up. Many fuss about visa, MC and other with there goofy one day grace periods and i agree that it is shady sometimes but you also have a choice to cancel the card and too not use it. If you put yourself in a situation where you cant pay them off right away, well then its your fault, not theirs. An example of this is we had a chase card that i put 7K on i closed on my house with a plan to pay them back within a year. Well my wife payed them a week late one time and they gladly waved my 40 dollar fee for being a customer for 10 yrs at that point but would not change the 29% interest rate that it jumped to. Well i did fuss and carry on but in the end they would not change it. I didn't have the 5k that i still owed so i was stuck at that point. As much as i was upset, it was our fault for paying them late. Nobody twisted my arm to sign the paperwork for the card. Anyway i just transfered it to a personal loan and saved some money anyway but i was just making a point. I do feel like that was [censored] of them being i had that card since i was 21 yrs old so about 11 yrs. Never late until then and they hiked my rate to 29%.
 
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have we really got to a point where we are censoring rappy with a c in front of it?
 
I always use my check card as a PIN transaction. Oddly enough, 7-11 pay-at-pump processes it as a credit transaction if you don't select debit.
 
I am 27 years old, I rarely have even $1 in cash on me. Everything is debit. I get my checking account statement at the end of the month, it is usually a dozen pages long.

I have been using the debit terminal to enter a pin code more and more. It is simpler than signing a receipt.

I only have a credit card for rewards purchases, and other "perks" (car rental insurance, etc). I don't pay a dime in interest to credit card companies.

I run all my bills through a credit card, and usually end up with about $200-$300 worth of store gift cards for the store of my choice, or free airfare. The businesses that accept my card are paying for this perk for sure.

Lately I've been getting home depot or lowes gift cards, $50 at a time and fixing up the house.
 
Originally Posted By: jstutz
have we really got to a point where we are censoring rappy with a c in front of it?

Try using the word "lousy" instead.
 
There is nothing wrong with MC or Visa. Merchants decide to take them or not, and there are many good restaurants that try to squeeze the last bit of profit margin (or maybe try to cheat on taxes) by accepting cash only. MC and Visa gave me cash back of 1-5%, and I pay them off every month, nothing wrong with that. Merchants take the cards because they knew many people will buy and charge, rather than pay with a check that bounce, or not purchase because they don't have cash with them, or their competitor accept card for the same price (which is equivalent to lower the purchase price).


I don't see a problem at all if everyone is disciplined.
 
With ability to make payments online to one's credit card, why use a debit card which can be stolen and used to drain the cash from your account linked to the debit card? Then have the hassle to wait for the bank to restore the cash in your account?

You just have to be disciplined in paying off the credit card. But you can do that daily, if you make it a habit. Thus the credit card becomes a debit card, if you will.

With most credit cards, you have a grace period to dispute unauthorized charges - from a stolen credit card or account number. But only credit is being stolen. Not your cash.
 
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