how much carbon build-up is normal?

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I recently responded to another post with the following, and it made me think, how much carbon build-up is normal, and when does it become a concern?:

i recently replaced the plugs in my '04 accord ex i4 5-manual with 70,000 miles. i pulled a dtc p0420 and replaced both o2 sensors and so decided to do the plugs as well, even though it was well before the 110,000 mile interval. really, the old plugs looked fine.

with the old plugs removed, i took a flexible flashlight and peered into each cylinder. there was carbon on the tops of all the pistons, but it was thin, and i could see bare metal in a few spots. the engine runs great, and i average 28-31 mpg in mixed 50/50 city/highway driving. my typical commute is between 9 and 14 miles one way, about half of which is on the highway. i have not noticed any performance issues since i've had the car; it runs like it did when it was new.

the valvetrain is pristine from what i can tell through the oil fill hole. for the last 35,000 miles or so i have been doing my own oil changes with Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 and a pureone filter at 5k oci. before that it was kendall gt-1 synthetic blend with an unknown filter at a service shop at 5k oci.

i have driven the car "softly" from new, meaning i'm not hard on the accelerator and shift generally before 3500rpm. i try to combine trips to minimize cold starts. i also employ some hypermiling techniques like coasting in gear to stops and trying to anticipate red lights. i've used shell 87 only for the last 40,000 miles and before that mobil 87.

i have some gumout regane that i'll run fairly soon but it will mean cutting my oci in half because of it. before that i'll run a few tanks of v-power. when it's all said and done i'll take another peek at the piston heads to see if there was any aPennzoil Platinumreciable change in aPennzoil Platinumearance.

i'm curious if there is a normal range for carbon build-up on the piston heads. i have some on a '93 miata with 107,500 miles. it also runs fine and gets good gas mileage.
 
My wife has a 2006 Accoed SE, don't know if it has the same engine but I too notice very little carbon build up.
I wonder if Regane will remove any carbon on your pistons.

These engines run just fine on 87 octane.
 
Yea, I'd say throw the regane in a tank (as per directions) and give it a good WOT in the acceleration lane, or offramp :) It might be able to burn the carbon up.. since it's carbon at the "top" of the pistons my guess is just lack of lubrication causing it, since the pistons are doing their job in their regular movements, the oil doesn't really have enough time to "stay" in one place and work the carbon off since you did mention you've "babied" the vehicle.
 
To OP: if you think you can maintain the top piston surface squeaky clean then I got bad news for you (chances are, you will never be able to do so).

All IC engines will suffer from (a) excessive fuel during cold starts (when engine is not in operating temp); (b) carbon will build up as you do a lot of stop-n-go driving with frequent cold starts (engine not staying in normal operating temp) (3) no matter how much you like to keep it clean, all pistons are designed to dissipate heat produced during combustion and that's where the "cool" surface are is (and that's where the carbon shall form during incomplete combustion).

Bottomline: you can minimise it by doing frequent highway trips over an extended period of time; use high quality pump gasoline with good detergents within; (c) accelerate slowly when the engine is still in "open-loop".

So long as it's a light dusting of dry carbon coating on the top of the piston surface, I would seriously consider that as good as it gets.

See no point in being absolute "aynal" on this subject matter, and also being a bit pointless frankly.

Q.
 
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The real question is have your really fixed P0420 by replacing the O2 sensors? How many miles since the repairs? In most cases, P0420 indicates loss of cat converter efficiency. A bad front (main) O2 sensor could in theory cause the P0420 code, but in that case the drive ability would suffer.

If it has been more than a month since the repair, then you are all set and you indeed have fixed the P0420 problem.

Do you know that EPA requires manufacturer to fix cat converter for 8/80K ? If you make right noises at the dealer, you could get your converter fixed. It costs in excess of $1000 if you have to replace it after 80K miles.

- Vikas
 
thanks for the responses. i guess i'm a bit anal about maintenance. it sounds like some carbon build-up is normal and nothing to worry about.

the p0420 dtc has not come back since i made the o2 sensor swap, and it has been a few weeks. i will keep a close eye on it for the next 10,000 miles and if it comes back will head straight to the dealer. i currently have just over 70,000 miles on the odo.
 
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