How many miles have you gotten from winter tires?

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: MNgopher
Generally about 25,000 useful snow miles, and then about 10,000 "summer" miles after that. Been the case with nearly every snow tire I have used.

Yep, and form some tires even 25K is stretch. I have Bridgestone Blizzak DM-V2 on BMW and if they make 20K it will be an achievement.

 

[Traction]

Yeah I know my original 100kmi post on Blizzaks was lame, but the point I wanted to make was that it doesn't really matter how long they last with the extra safety, fun, and winter grip you get when you only have to buy a set every 100kmiles. Blizzaks have more grip at 4/32's than most new all seasons I've driven on. I drive a lot of customers cars before and after in the snow, and after installing new all seasons, I am always shocked how bad even new tires work, compared to worn Blizzaks.

 

[krzyss]

"Blizzaks have more grip at 4/32's than most new all seasons I've driven on"

In the rain too?

Krzys

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: Traction
Yeah I know my original 100kmi post on Blizzaks was lame, but the point I wanted to make was that it doesn't really matter how long they last with the extra safety, fun, and winter grip you get when you only have to buy a set every 100kmiles. Blizzaks have more grip at 4/32's than most new all seasons I've driven on. I drive a lot of customers cars before and after in the snow, and after installing new all seasons, I am always shocked how bad even new tires work, compared to worn Blizzaks.

So wait, I went from 13/32 on DM-V2 to 8/32 in 12K. Tell me how to achieve 100K on remaining 8/32?
I have never had tire that lasts 100K nor I want. Tire that can last 100K is POS full of plastic!
As for Blizzak 4/32? Really? What you drive ONLY on snow in winter? How about ice? Dry? Slush? Rain? Blizzak at 5-6/32 turns into all season compound and Bridgestone A/S compound is anything but good.
So at 4/32 you are driving all season tire!
But again, can you enlighten us how to achieve 100K with Blizzak?
I had on VW CC Blizzak LM-60, they were dead after 20K (left 3/32). Now DM-V2 are at 8/32 after 12K. Alignment always good, suspension good.

 

[Traction]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Traction
Yeah I know my original 100kmi post on Blizzaks was lame, but the point I wanted to make was that it doesn't really matter how long they last with the extra safety, fun, and winter grip you get when you only have to buy a set every 100kmiles. Blizzaks have more grip at 4/32's than most new all seasons I've driven on. I drive a lot of customers cars before and after in the snow, and after installing new all seasons, I am always shocked how bad even new tires work, compared to worn Blizzaks.

So wait, I went from 13/32 on DM-V2 to 8/32 in 12K. Tell me how to achieve 100K on remaining 8/32?
I have never had tire that lasts 100K nor I want. Tire that can last 100K is POS full of plastic!
As for Blizzak 4/32? Really? What you drive ONLY on snow in winter? How about ice? Dry? Slush? Rain? Blizzak at 5-6/32 turns into all season compound and Bridgestone A/S compound is anything but good.
So at 4/32 you are driving all season tire!
But again, can you enlighten us how to achieve 100K with Blizzak?
I had on VW CC Blizzak LM-60, they were dead after 20K (left 3/32). Now DM-V2 are at 8/32 after 12K. Alignment always good, suspension good.

100kmi on the car, not the tires was the point. I have no idea how many miles the tires last, but I only had to buy one set over that period.

 

[JHZR2]

The set I had for my Saab I got 10 years and the tread was still like new. 8-9/32 on each. They had at least 25k miles on them.

Goodyear eagle ultra grip.

 

[turboseize]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: turboseize

Michelin is always good in longevity. Not the best in snow (they are getting really good on ice) but due to long life compound, snow is just OK.


On hard-packed snow and ice in Sweden, the A4 do ok-ish, but the Dunlop winter something 3d are way better. On new snow and slush (much more common than packed snow in central europe), on the other hand, the A4 is quite frankly one of the best tyres I've ever driven. Guess in slush tread pattern becomes more important than compound... in wet snow, the Dunlops were clogged up immediately, like a street tyre or an AT in deep mud and had no traction whatsoever, and on slush they started "aquaplaning" nearly immediately. The A4 just drives through and throughs slush everywhere. Thread pattern nearly looks like an agricultural tractor tyre with sipes ...

When my Semperit (on the car when I bought it) on the [censored] 9-5 wear out, and should I not be able to source some remaining A4, I will consider giving Nokian a try. Either WR D4 or Weatherproof. Nokian brags about being the first Manufacturer to specifically test slush performance... Unfortunately, any test I've seen so far states they wear too fast.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: turboseize
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: turboseize

Michelin is always good in longevity. Not the best in snow (they are getting really good on ice) but due to long life compound, snow is just OK.


On hard-packed snow and ice in Sweden, the A4 do ok-ish, but the Dunlop winter something 3d are way better. On new snow and slush (much more common than packed snow in central europe), on the other hand, the A4 is quite frankly one of the best tyres I've ever driven. Guess in slush tread pattern becomes more important than compound... in wet snow, the Dunlops were clogged up immediately, like a street tyre or an AT in deep mud and had no traction whatsoever, and on slush they started "aquaplaning" nearly immediately. The A4 just drives through and throughs slush everywhere. Thread pattern nearly looks like an agricultural tractor tyre with sipes ...

When my Semperit (on the car when I bought it) on the [censored] 9-5 wear out, and should I not be able to source some remaining A4, I will consider giving Nokian a try. Either WR D4 or Weatherproof. Nokian brags about being the first Manufacturer to specifically test slush performance... Unfortunately, any test I've seen so far states they wear too fast.

I know, BUT we are talking about tires available in North America, and those are Michelin Xi2 (SUV's) and Xi3. You can sometimes find for SUV's Alpin LA2, Latitude Pilot and for cars Pilot PA4.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: Traction
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Traction
Yeah I know my original 100kmi post on Blizzaks was lame, but the point I wanted to make was that it doesn't really matter how long they last with the extra safety, fun, and winter grip you get when you only have to buy a set every 100kmiles. Blizzaks have more grip at 4/32's than most new all seasons I've driven on. I drive a lot of customers cars before and after in the snow, and after installing new all seasons, I am always shocked how bad even new tires work, compared to worn Blizzaks.

So wait, I went from 13/32 on DM-V2 to 8/32 in 12K. Tell me how to achieve 100K on remaining 8/32?
I have never had tire that lasts 100K nor I want. Tire that can last 100K is POS full of plastic!
As for Blizzak 4/32? Really? What you drive ONLY on snow in winter? How about ice? Dry? Slush? Rain? Blizzak at 5-6/32 turns into all season compound and Bridgestone A/S compound is anything but good.
So at 4/32 you are driving all season tire!
But again, can you enlighten us how to achieve 100K with Blizzak?
I had on VW CC Blizzak LM-60, they were dead after 20K (left 3/32). Now DM-V2 are at 8/32 after 12K. Alignment always good, suspension good.

100kmi on the car, not the tires was the point. I have no idea how many miles the tires last, but I only had to buy one set over that period.

So you driving on one set of tires, two sets, when did you put them. Both of your posts indicate you put 100K on Blizzaks.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: Traction
100kmi on the car, not the tires was the point. I have no idea how many miles the tires last, but I only had to buy one set over that period.


Lol. So the title of the thread, "How many miles have you gotten from winter tires?" has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

 

[turboseize]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
I know, BUT we are talking about tires available in North America, and those are Michelin Xi2 (SUV's) and Xi3. You can sometimes find for SUV's Alpin LA2, Latitude Pilot and for cars Pilot PA4.


Xi3 can be found in some sizes on our side of the pond, too, but is very rare in central europe. Some online retailer have them in some obscure sizes, but that's it. Just about as common as Hakkas, that is, you can get them, if you really want to have them, but they're not advertised by the manufacturer nor the big retail chains, and the local dealers won't have them in stock.
The X-ice brand exists in scandinavia, with the xi3 as well as the x-ice north (which are studded). So both seem to be nordic compound tyres.

What I don't really get is why Michelin withholds the alpin series from Northern America. The continent is big enough and the climates diverse enough, that there should be some use for something in between the extremely snow- and ice-capable nordic compound tyres that don't cope well with water and slush, and the not-so snow-capable all seasons...

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: turboseize
Originally Posted By: edyvw
I know, BUT we are talking about tires available in North America, and those are Michelin Xi2 (SUV's) and Xi3. You can sometimes find for SUV's Alpin LA2, Latitude Pilot and for cars Pilot PA4.


Xi3 can be found in some sizes on our side of the pond, too, but is very rare in central europe. Some online retailer have them in some obscure sizes, but that's it. Just about as common as Hakkas, that is, you can get them, if you really want to have them, but they're not advertised by the manufacturer nor the big retail chains, and the local dealers won't have them in stock.
The X-ice brand exists in scandinavia, with the xi3 as well as the x-ice north (which are studded). So both seem to be nordic compound tyres.

What I don't really get is why Michelin withholds the alpin series from Northern America. The continent is big enough and the climates diverse enough, that there should be some use for something in between the extremely snow- and ice-capable nordic compound tyres that don't cope well with water and slush, and the not-so snow-capable all seasons...

No need for Alpin. Alpin is also high performance winter tire. Xi2 for example for SUV's comes in T speed index, Xi3 in T and H.
Considering very strict speed limits, no need for tires like that. Then roads are not clean as good as in Europe. Country is just too big, and road crews cannot make it everywhere, which requires tires more oriented toward deeper snow, slush etc.
That being said, Good Year does not bring Ultra Grip from Europe here (except UG SUV), Continental does not have TS here (except for SUV TS 830P), etc.

 

[chrisri]

Originally Posted By: Silverado12
I got about 30,000 good, usable miles from a set of Cooper Weathermaster tires. Once the tread got worn down to where I didn't think it would go well the next season I ran them as summer tires for another 10K miles.

That's how I do it to. When they are on 4 mm or so, I simply run them for the coming summer. That way I save the summer tyres for one season. I call it a summer winter set.

 

[chrisri]

I have 6 and 7mm on a Michelin Alpin A5 after only one season (12k km) on a heavy Vectra. Stilo had Sava Eskimo S3 (Goodyear owned) for three seasons and 35k km. Changed to Pirelli Snow control 3 few days ago.
My PUG Partner is on second season with Barum xy 195/65/15, and still have 6-7 mm after 20k. On Punto wife had Toyo Snowprox for 35k, including summer driving, last winter changed to Nokian WR D3.

All vehicles are driven mostly on wet and dry roads with temperatures from 3-20 *c, in case of Toyo summer service, even up to 35 *C.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: chrisri
I have 6 and 7mm on a Michelin Alpin A5 after only one season (12k km) on a heavy Vectra. Stilo had Sava Eskimo S3 (Goodyear owned) for three seasons and 35k km. Changed to Pirelli Snow control 3 few days ago.
My PUG Partner is on second season with Barum xy 195/65/15, and still have 6-7 mm after 20k. On Punto wife had Toyo Snowprox for 35k, including summer driving, last winter changed to Nokian WR D3.

All vehicles are driven mostly on wet and dry roads with temperatures from 3-20 *c, in case of Toyo summer service, even up to 35 *C.

Michelin 7mm after 12kkm. Something wrong with car or tire or tire is mismatch for a car.

 

[turboseize]

No, something wrong with the tiyre. The A5 is not a typical Michelin in this regard. They screwed up this one. Drastically faster wear and worse dry braking & handling then the predecessor for a bit better snow and wet performance. Not really a bad tyre, just not what you would expect from a Michelin...

 

[Jetronic]

If slush and wet performance is more important than outright snow performance for you, have a look at the michelin crossclimates. I'm using the crossclimates as a winter tyre rather as a 4 season, and couldn't be happier with our mild winters. The one time I had to use them on snow, they performed very well. I'm silently praying for a good spell of snow this winter, but so far it seems it'll just be wet and gray...

 

[chrisri]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: chrisri
I have 6 and 7mm on a Michelin Alpin A5 after only one season (12k km) on a heavy Vectra. Stilo had Sava Eskimo S3 (Goodyear owned) for three seasons and 35k km. Changed to Pirelli Snow control 3 few days ago.
My PUG Partner is on second season with Barum xy 195/65/15, and still have 6-7 mm after 20k. On Punto wife had Toyo Snowprox for 35k, including summer driving, last winter changed to Nokian WR D3.

All vehicles are driven mostly on wet and dry roads with temperatures from 3-20 *c, in case of Toyo summer service, even up to 35 *C.

Michelin 7mm after 12kkm. Something wrong with car or tire or tire is mismatch for a car.

Nothing wrong with the car, alignment is fine. I usually get 35k from my winter sets, but last year winter was unusually dry, and as usually hot. Most of the service time my winter tyres spend outside of their comfort zone (temperatures above 7*C), but being wetish very often they seem not to mind. As said, last winter was rather dry, maybe A5 do not like dry tarmac?
And, in defense to Michelins, they do start with only 8mm of tread.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: chrisri
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: chrisri
I have 6 and 7mm on a Michelin Alpin A5 after only one season (12k km) on a heavy Vectra. Stilo had Sava Eskimo S3 (Goodyear owned) for three seasons and 35k km. Changed to Pirelli Snow control 3 few days ago.
My PUG Partner is on second season with Barum xy 195/65/15, and still have 6-7 mm after 20k. On Punto wife had Toyo Snowprox for 35k, including summer driving, last winter changed to Nokian WR D3.

All vehicles are driven mostly on wet and dry roads with temperatures from 3-20 *c, in case of Toyo summer service, even up to 35 *C.

Michelin 7mm after 12kkm. Something wrong with car or tire or tire is mismatch for a car.

Nothing wrong with the car, alignment is fine. I usually get 35k from my winter sets, but last year winter was unusually dry, and as usually hot. Most of the service time my winter tyres spend outside of their comfort zone (temperatures above 7*C), but being wetish very often they seem not to mind. As said, last winter was rather dry, maybe A5 do not like dry tarmac?
And, in defense to Michelins, they do start with only 8mm of tread.

Well, no winter tire likes dry, warm weather.
8mm? Michlein is making shallower tires by the day.

 

[HangFire]

My General Altimax Arctic's have 14.4K miles on them across 2 Winters. I'm about to put them back on again for their 3rd Winter. I only run them from late November to March. Haven't measured the tread but they look almost new.

I love these tires. They have considerable tread squirm, but for the ice and snow traction I can forgive that.