How many dinosaurs died to produce our oil

No sooner had the discovery of ongoing natural formation of petroleum been published in the journal Nature than The Australian Financial Review of February 2, 1982 had an article by Walter Sullivan of The New York Times under the heading ‘Natural oil refinery found under ocean’. The report indicated that:

"‘The oil is being formed from the unusually rapid breakdown of organic debris by extraordinarily extensive heat flowing through the sediments, offering scientists a singular opportunity to see how petroleum is formed....Ordinarily oil has been thought to form over millions of years whereas in this instance the process is probably occurring in thousands of years.... The activity is not only manufacturing petroleum at relatively high speed but also, by application of volcanic heat, breaking it down into the constituents of gasoline and other petroleum products as in a refinery."

What he means by, "extraordinarily extensive heat flowing through the sediments," is what we call 'Hydrothermal Vents,' which is the intrusion of very hot water (up to 300C) through the various sediments.

This ‘natural refinery under the ocean’ is found under the waters of the Gulf of California, in an area known as the Guaymas Basin. The basin consists of two rift valleys (flat-bottomed valleys bounded by steep cliffs along fault lines), which are filled with 500 meter thick layers of sediments consisting of diatomaceous ooze (made up of the opal-like ‘shells’ of diatoms, single-celled aquatic plants related to algae) and silty mud washed from the nearby land. Through this basin is a series of long deep fractures that link volcanoes of the undersea ridge known as the East Pacific Rise with the San Andreas fault system that runs northwards across California.

for references see:

Simonelt, B.R.T. and Lonsdale, P.F., 1982. hydrothermal petroleum in mineralized mounds at the seabed of Guaymas Basin. Nature, vol. 295, pp. 198–212.

Didyk, B.M. and Simoneit, B.R.T., 1989, hydrothermal oil of Guaymas Basin and implications for petroleum formation mechanisms. Nature, vol. 342, pp. 65–69.

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Interestingly, in coal, one can often find fossil remains or fossil imprints of the plant matter. It's also good to note that while coal contains hydrogen, it's hydrogen content is very low compared to hydrocarbon fuels. Coal and Hydrocarbon fuels are both energy dense sources of power, but vastly different.

It's often said that coal should not really be considered a hydrocarbon fuel, as coal is not only carbon and hydrogen, but also just about every element in existence. By comparison, methane is CH4.

No fossil fuel is pure hydrocarbon. There are always impurities. Even natural gas isn't just methane as the hydrocarbon component.
 
Remember an article in Scientific American some 25 years ago that proposed hydrocarbons deep within the earth were created from hydrogen during during the creation of the solar system. Sounds like multiple possibilities.
 
For those keenly interested in this topic, see Richard C. Selly's book, Elements of Petroleum Geology, 1998, Academic Press.

It's an excellent book with a plethora of illustrations and pictures. Section 5.1 deals with non-abiogenic sources of petroleum.
 
Actually there are theories that crude was formed more from plants and diatoms, algae, some of it before the dinosaurs were present. But who really knows for sure.
That's right, flesh decays and is eaten by worms/bots whereas vegetable material only decomposes and in this case becomes oil.
 
No sooner had the discovery of ongoing natural formation of petroleum been published in the journal Nature than The Australian Financial Review of February 2, 1982 had an article by Walter Sullivan of The New York Times under the heading ‘Natural oil refinery found under ocean’. The report indicated that:

"‘The oil is being formed from the unusually rapid breakdown of organic debris by extraordinarily extensive heat flowing through the sediments, offering scientists a singular opportunity to see how petroleum is formed....Ordinarily oil has been thought to form over millions of years whereas in this instance the process is probably occurring in thousands of years.... The activity is not only manufacturing petroleum at relatively high speed but also, by application of volcanic heat, breaking it down into the constituents of gasoline and other petroleum products as in a refinery."

What he means by, "extraordinarily extensive heat flowing through the sediments," is what we call 'Hydrothermal Vents,' which is the intrusion of very hot water (up to 300C) through the various sediments.

This ‘natural refinery under the ocean’ is found under the waters of the Gulf of California, in an area known as the Guaymas Basin. The basin consists of two rift valleys (flat-bottomed valleys bounded by steep cliffs along fault lines), which are filled with 500 meter thick layers of sediments consisting of diatomaceous ooze (made up of the opal-like ‘shells’ of diatoms, single-celled aquatic plants related to algae) and silty mud washed from the nearby land. Through this basin is a series of long deep fractures that link volcanoes of the undersea ridge known as the East Pacific Rise with the San Andreas fault system that runs northwards across California.

for references see:

Simonelt, B.R.T. and Lonsdale, P.F., 1982. hydrothermal petroleum in mineralized mounds at the seabed of Guaymas Basin. Nature, vol. 295, pp. 198–212.

Didyk, B.M. and Simoneit, B.R.T., 1989, hydrothermal oil of Guaymas Basin and implications for petroleum formation mechanisms. Nature, vol. 342, pp. 65–69.

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So, in your scientific opinion, would it be possible for mankind to replicate this process (very accelerated of course) to make hydrocarbons a possibly renewable resource? Perhaps algae farms like we have corn farms for ethanol?
 
So, in your scientific opinion, would it be possible for mankind to replicate this process (very accelerated of course) to make hydrocarbons a possibly renewable resource? Perhaps algae farms like we have corn farms for ethanol?
It is scientifically possible to do this with accelerated methods.

However, I think the main problem would be a matter of "scale" with considerations to the land areas required.
 
Just as long as one does not confuse that article with an actual shortage of oil. They are two very different things.
No but it indicates that speculative investors are throwing their weight around to discourage investment and exploration to drive up prices, whether that has the effect they want remains to be seen but prices appear to be going up and the trend line points up 2 years out which is too far off to care from a futures standpoint.

Long term 5+ years this concerted effort to reduce exploration is where we need to worry about man made side effects, self fulfilling narrative
 
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So, in your scientific opinion, would it be possible for mankind to replicate this process (very accelerated of course) to make hydrocarbons a possibly renewable resource? Perhaps algae farms like we have corn farms for ethanol?

It's certainly possible to turn various hydrocarbon materials into something that mimics petroleum products. We know what is in gasoline. That's not the hard part. The hard part is that it takes energy to do that, whether it's tens of millions of years of pressure turning mostly plant material in crude oil, or it's quickly turning cellulose into different hydrocarbons.


Brazil already uses primarily ethanol based fuels. They have the ideal climate for growing sugar cane. It's difficult to replicate that in North America. We have sugar cane growing, but not like that.
 
No but it indicates that speculative investors are throwing their weight around to discourage investment and exploration to drive up prices, whether that has the effect they want remains to be seen but prices appear to be going up and the trend line points up 2 years out which is too far off to care from a futures standpoint.

Long term 5+ years this concerted effort to reduce exploration is where we need to worry about man made side effects, self fulfilling narrative
Was that a problem a year ago?
 
would it be possible for mankind to replicate this process (very accelerated of course) to make hydrocarbons a possibly renewable resource? Perhaps algae farms like we have corn farms for ethanol?
Swift fuels, a company that produced a 100LL Avgas replacement fuel, developed such a process. They used.....

 
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