How long do electric car batteries last?

[4wd]

I read that all over the place but not a single real person I know wants to go back to a car with an engine after having an EV.

Although I do think our moderate climate and plethora of chargers probably makes EV ownership a better experience than if you were in Alaska or something.

Well - the climate is an obvious reason - then a certain state where many believed - or still believe it will be mandated …
It’s also too early to feel the effects of the incentives going away - and the emotional swing against a famous rich guy …
I’d also ask that in a state with massive agricultural - bcs of said climate - what portion of that work has moved to EV …
(going to move slow - and compete for minerals) …

 

[andrew_j]

A curiousity of returning to ICE after EV is what percentage of those people never had home charging. I have never heard a person complain of EV charging who plugs in at home.

 

[GrumpyCat]

I don’t worry about extreme stuff - but it’s worth reading how many EV buyers also have an ICE engine vehicle or two - or go back to one

Come to think of it is is pretty amazing how many EV owners came from ICE!

Before long we'll start being amazed at how many hovercar drivers previously drove rubber tires and how many still have a rubber tired vehicle as well.

 

[4wd]

Come to think of it is is pretty amazing how many EV owners came from ICE!

Before long we'll start being amazed at how many hovercar drivers previously drove rubber tires and how many still have a rubber tired vehicle as well.

 

[4wd]

A curiousity of returning to ICE after EV is what percentage of those people never had home charging. I have never heard a person complain of EV charging who plugs in at home.

It’s likely high - especially if living in apartments that have nothing available within the complex …

 

[JeffKeryk]

EVs and hybrids got a huge jump start around here. Our high tech company offered help buying EVs; many companies offered subsidized or even free charging. And up-front parking spaces!

Oh yeah, and then there was use of the Lexus lanes... It was somewhat odd watching C-level execs driving their Civic hybrids instead of their drop dead gorgeous European rides. One of our VPs had a Ferrari, BMW M5, Porsche Cab (my favorite), Sequoia and the little Civic.

 

[jghall00]

A curiousity of returning to ICE after EV is what percentage of those people never had home charging. I have never heard a person complain of EV charging who plugs in at home.

I have...but usually it's down to a misunderstanding of how the batteries work in cold weather. Specifically, I see many complaints about range because people charge the vehicles, then let the battery get down to very low temps. Then they come online to complain about awful range and efficiency because the vehicle consumed a large amount of energy to warm the battery.

Of course, the worse ones are those who had no clue how charging works and didn't do any investigation before learning EVs are not suitable for many people that can't charge at home, unless they're doing very low mileage. Like, this is a fairly expensive purchase...why are you asking the real questions AFTER you brought the vehicle home?

 

[Ws6]

I have...but usually it's down to a misunderstanding of how the batteries work in cold weather. Specifically, I see many complaints about range because people charge the vehicles, then let the battery get down to very low temps. Then they come online to complain about awful range and efficiency because the vehicle consumed a large amount of energy to warm the battery.

Of course, the worse ones are those who had no clue how charging works and didn't do any investigation before learning EVs are not suitable for many people that can't charge at home, unless they're doing very low mileage. Like, this is a fairly expensive purchase...why are you asking the real questions AFTER you brought the vehicle home?

So...how exactly do you use your vehicle that you dont take it outside?

 

[jghall00]

So...how exactly do you use your vehicle that you dont take it outside?

It's not that I don't take it outside. It's that it doesn't get cold enough in my area to impact my daily commute. This is true for most people. If you buy a car with over 280 miles range and your range gets cut in half but your commute is only 50 miles total, where is the problem?

The other issue is that people charge immediately when they get home, then the car sits in the cold overnight and the battery is cold soaked in the morning. But the vehicles have scheduled charging, which can complete a charge just before departure, so the battery is already warm. So why charge it before it's needed, then complain about poor efficiency when it's warming up the battery during the entire hour long commute?

Now, on a road trip you would need to pay more attention to the weather. For example, leave the car plugged overnight if possible, or at least maintain a high state of charge so that the vehicle has enough energy in reserve to warm itself.

We have traveled for softball in colder weather. I just charge to 100% before I leave, and charge again near my destination.

 

[Ws6]

It's not that I don't take it outside. It's that it doesn't get cold enough in my area to impact my daily commute. This is true for most people. If you buy a car with over 280 miles range and your range gets cut in half but your commute is only 50 miles total, where is the problem?

The other issue is that people charge immediately when they get home, then the car sits in the cold overnight and the battery is cold soaked in the morning. But the vehicles have scheduled charging, which can complete a charge just before departure, so the battery is already warm. So why charge it before it's needed, then complain about poor efficiency when it's warming up the battery during the entire hour long commute?

Now, on a road trip you would need to pay more attention to the weather. For example, leave the car plugged overnight if possible, or at least maintain a high state of charge so that the vehicle has enough energy in reserve to warm itself.

We have traveled for softball in colder weather. I just charge to 100% before I leave, and charge again near my destination.

Because weather and power outages may cut your careful plans out. I Charge always. It stays on charger. I bought an ev with 200% the range I need per windows sticker. Even in -10f its been plenty.

 

[Brons2]

There was some discussion of phones on the first page of the thread. I just sold my wife's iPhone 15 Plus on Swappa and after 764 cycles, the battery health was at 84%. You had to include that info with the Swappa listing.

256GB model, blue and unlocked, listed it for $450 and it sold in under 2 hours. Was not expecting that. I guess I should have asked for more.

My Pixel has a feature that slow charges it at night for better battery health "Adaptive Charging", when I put it on my nightstand around 10 or 11, it says that it will be full by 5:55 which is when my alarm goes off. Not sure if iPhones do this or not. My wife's charging might be too irregular to take advantage if it does, whereas mine is pretty predictable.

 

[Torrid]

I don’t worry about extreme stuff - but it’s worth reading how many EV buyers also have an ICE engine vehicle or two - or go back to one

It's also amazing how many of us only have EVs. It's easy to bend the stories to your narrative with just a couple of facts and a lot of opinion thrown in.

 

[JeffKeryk]

On my street, there is a mix:

• Lotsa EV + ICE
• A few EV + hybrid
• A very few pure EV
• A very few multi EV + ICE
• 1 EV + ICE + hybrid + PU + classics (that's me).

Interestingly, we span the charging possibilities. I am solar fueled as are some others. Several charge at work for subsidized or even free rates. And we have a great Community College a short mile away, West Valley College, that has a ton of chargers @ $0.12 kWh; the solar panels help I imagine. There are always EVs there all by themselves on the weekends. I never knew why but my neighbor told me he charges there.

Some owners never charge at home!

 

[jghall00]

Because weather and power outages may cut your careful plans out. I Charge always. It stays on charger. I bought an ev with 200% the range I need per windows sticker. Even in -10f its been plenty.

We only get major outages in bad weather. If that happens I'm staying my ass inside. I'm at HEB in a packed store because people are freaking out about the upcoming freeze. It's only for three days. The 2021 trauma runs deep.

 

[Ws6]

We only get major outages in bad weather. If that happens I'm staying my ass inside. I'm at HEB in a packed store because people are freaking out about the upcoming freeze. It's only for three days. The 2021 trauma runs deep.

If I live long enough to retire, Ill do what you do as well.

 

[Cujet]

My 19 year old LR3 with 240K+ miles still gets the same range/MPG it did as new. Same with my KJ that's 20 years old with 233k on it, same with my JLU with 112k on it (once you account for the mods)...if EVs can't match that longevity I'm not interested. All on original drivetrain.

Yours too? My 2003 X-Type still achieves 420-460 miles per tank. Same as it did back in 2002 when it took it's first drive.

 

[4wd]

It's also amazing how many of us only have EVs. It's easy to bend the stories to your narrative with just a couple of facts and a lot of opinion thrown in.

Hilarious - That’s narrative about narrative that does not exist but in your defensive head - weak sauce - on ignore - sick of this kind of nonsense over and over …
Jeff - thanks for being the grownup on this topic …

 

[RedSpider]

Uh oh, another person on ignore. That's two this week!....

I might have to run out and buy a Tesla this weekend just to jump in on this action. Someone call Elon, if the boy builds another Miata-ish roadster and makes it affordable for a middle aged, rank average schmuck like me, shut up and take my money, I'm totally in.

 

[HoosierJeeper]

Yours too? My 2003 X-Type still achieves 420-460 miles per tank. Same as it did back in 2002 when it took it's first drive.

We must have gotten lemons!

 

[Cujet]

Hilarious - That’s narrative about narrative that does not exist but in your defensive head - weak sauce - on ignore - sick of this kind of nonsense over and over …
Jeff - thanks for being the grownup on this topic …

I've said many times, I'd love a M3p or a Plaid, my kind of car. There is no 'but' or 'however' here. It would suit my needs well, I love the way they drive, the feel, the power. I have a really nice F150 for those long road trips with the tractor in tow up to my TN property, the right tool for the job (range related). For a hour long spirited drive to the airport to go fly my plane, or for the TN mountain roads, a righteous EV would be fantastic.

Heck, I could even charge at the hangar while I'm flying. But really there is no need. It's 50 miles of back roads each way.

I'm a driving enthusiast, and truly appreciate the performance of a good EV. Kind of hard to beat em.

My only valid gripe remains long distance trips. Been there done that, and again, "the right tool for the job" applies. Drove CO-FL two weeks ago in a Honda Odyssey minivan, 50mph winds, snow, hundreds of miles of desolate secondary roads (no interstates, sparse stations) What a blast.