Since the discussion was about 5W30 vs. 10W30 and I have used many of each (and currently using a 0W30), including those that were/are leading edge, I do have some points of reference.
As for Toyota and Mazda 0W20, you seem to be correct. Without any input on measurable economic benefits for an average daily driver from those that have tried the oils, I may have to use the oils myself. I had hoped that BITOG readers that were convinced of the value of these oils or 5W over 10W, readers that communicate with authority and confidence in their positions, could share some actual measurements related to costs and efficiencies. Those readers that KNOW that 10W30 should never be used in the south, should be able to share the information on which those conclusions were reached.
My position was that 10W30 would do no harm in Alabama and that the economic benefits of 5W30 in Alabama is likely very small. I also think that fear of 5W30 is irrational for most of today's oils. I also think that 5W30 is a better choice than 10W30 if the oils are equally priced.
As for Toyota and Mazda 0W20, you seem to be correct. Without any input on measurable economic benefits for an average daily driver from those that have tried the oils, I may have to use the oils myself. I had hoped that BITOG readers that were convinced of the value of these oils or 5W over 10W, readers that communicate with authority and confidence in their positions, could share some actual measurements related to costs and efficiencies. Those readers that KNOW that 10W30 should never be used in the south, should be able to share the information on which those conclusions were reached.
My position was that 10W30 would do no harm in Alabama and that the economic benefits of 5W30 in Alabama is likely very small. I also think that fear of 5W30 is irrational for most of today's oils. I also think that 5W30 is a better choice than 10W30 if the oils are equally priced.