I know in Oklahoma for a fact, that if they find out you have a laser jammer, you go to jail. Period. My wife got nailed speeding when a pack of speeding cars past her. Of course, she said she wasn't speeding and I believe her, but she was driving a new Mustang. If you've ever been quail hunting, the one that gets nailed is the one that got caught. Just how it is.
How a State Trooper know which vehicle he clocked?
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Originally Posted By: tomcat27
that's the beauty of radar, it can track speeds accurately from the front, side, rear, moving, stationary. laser (currently)
Do they teach you about cosine error?
I once saw a cop running radar way off the side of the road on an on-ramp. I wonder if he had any clue why his readings were so low.
A cop will set in court and testify to that type of nonsense with a straight face and the judge or jury will lap it up.
Originally Posted By: tomcat27
that's the beauty of radar, it can track speeds accurately from the front, side, rear, moving, stationary. laser (currently)
Do they teach you about cosine error?
I once saw a cop running radar way off the side of the road on an on-ramp. I wonder if he had any clue why his readings were so low.
A cop will set in court and testify to that type of nonsense with a straight face and the judge or jury will lap it up.
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Cosine error can only mean you were going faster than clocked. besides, traffic court here is mondays when the judge is working off his hangover.
Correct, but my not clearly presented point was that much nonsense is presented in court with a straight face by police officers who are accepted as experts.
Like the time I was on the jury for a DUI case and the cop testified that the breathalyzers had no error margin, they were exact. The accused was so far over the limit that there was no need to embellish the testimony and the cop seemed very careful about sticking to the facts as he understood them so I suspect he was just repeating the misinformation he had been fed in some training session.
Cosine error can only mean you were going faster than clocked. besides, traffic court here is mondays when the judge is working off his hangover.
Correct, but my not clearly presented point was that much nonsense is presented in court with a straight face by police officers who are accepted as experts.
Like the time I was on the jury for a DUI case and the cop testified that the breathalyzers had no error margin, they were exact. The accused was so far over the limit that there was no need to embellish the testimony and the cop seemed very careful about sticking to the facts as he understood them so I suspect he was just repeating the misinformation he had been fed in some training session.
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Originally Posted By: labman
So why does enforcement go up in slow times like this?
Maybe accident rates do, too? I'd never go as far as to bet on that but most of the enforcement hikes I've seen have been justified by some sudden spike in accidents or fatalities.
I'm sure revenue generation tweaks the balance here and there. No way around that in a wholly human institution. Just saying it's not the root cause (or at least it's a gross oversimplification of the root cause).
I would say that depends entirely on the municipality involved. There are towns and areas around here that are notorious for "revenue enhancement" through traffic law enforcement.
In Michigan at least, IME if it's a State cop that got you, you probably did the crime. If it's a local yocal, then all bets are off.
Originally Posted By: labman
So why does enforcement go up in slow times like this?
Maybe accident rates do, too? I'd never go as far as to bet on that but most of the enforcement hikes I've seen have been justified by some sudden spike in accidents or fatalities.
I'm sure revenue generation tweaks the balance here and there. No way around that in a wholly human institution. Just saying it's not the root cause (or at least it's a gross oversimplification of the root cause).
I would say that depends entirely on the municipality involved. There are towns and areas around here that are notorious for "revenue enhancement" through traffic law enforcement.
In Michigan at least, IME if it's a State cop that got you, you probably did the crime. If it's a local yocal, then all bets are off.
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My buddy beat a ticket because he pointed out to the judge that the radar signal traveled over land that was out of the police jurisdiction.
In another case long ago, my ditzy blonde girlfriend was speeding on an interstate with a borrowed radar detector. She saw a cop in her rearview mirror - no signal from her detector. She started tapping the detector, in view of the policeman. The cop got a good laugh out of that one when he pulled her over. He reminded her that some police catch speeders the old fashioned way, by pacing them, and radar detectors won't work in those cases.
In another case long ago, my ditzy blonde girlfriend was speeding on an interstate with a borrowed radar detector. She saw a cop in her rearview mirror - no signal from her detector. She started tapping the detector, in view of the policeman. The cop got a good laugh out of that one when he pulled her over. He reminded her that some police catch speeders the old fashioned way, by pacing them, and radar detectors won't work in those cases.
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If I am in the right or was mistakenly identified in a traffic area controlled by radar or Lidar, I go to the PA of the District with a two-page report containing Physics equatons and kinematics (vector) diagrams and asked him if would like to find an expert to rebut my data before I testify and present my data in front of the Judge. After his eyes bulge out, the case is dismissed.
If I am in the wrong, I suck it up and pay the fine.
Hey, the officers are doing their jobs as they were trained to do.
I used to be an RPO for my community and these guys, like our troops, deserve our support.
If I am in the wrong, I suck it up and pay the fine.
Hey, the officers are doing their jobs as they were trained to do.
I used to be an RPO for my community and these guys, like our troops, deserve our support.
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
these guys, like our troops, deserve our support.
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Thats my point, they do get my support....financial support.....
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
these guys, like our troops, deserve our support.
+1
Thats my point, they do get my support....financial support.....
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I see. Now you're uniquely qualified to see both sides of many issues.
I keep having visions of Denny Crane ..no offense intended
I keep having visions of Denny Crane ..no offense intended
All well and good; I do support LEOs generally.
However, having been caught in a speed trap the whole purpose of which is revenue, I question the ethics of some officers.
Given the large number of speed traps in this country, caution in small comunities (and some large ones) is called for.
http://www.speedtrap.org/
However, having been caught in a speed trap the whole purpose of which is revenue, I question the ethics of some officers.
Given the large number of speed traps in this country, caution in small comunities (and some large ones) is called for.
http://www.speedtrap.org/
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There are campaigns here from time to time. The state police will have one when there's a series of accidents on a higher speed roadway. The rest are more predatory ..as in their catch of the day. They can then move on to what they consider proper law/traffic enforcement once they have a ticket under their belt. Not having a citation written, given the multiple opportunities presented in the day, implies that you're screwing off.
With the locals, I tend to think does involve some revenue deal. There's a stretch of 422 that passes through North Coventry Twp. It's really not a local issue of merit in the local yocal fiefdom deal that they have going. No "Protect & Serve" function to it. In fact, it's a state police patrolled highway out of Belmont (Phila) barracks instead of the closer Limerick. Every so often one of their hotdog yahoo cowboys will hang on the bridge and net some money.
In the borough here, they had a stretch of 25mph zone that went through a school zone. The school was (at least 500ft off of the road and fenced. The did some campaign style efforts to contain the traffic, but the road was wider and straighter than the state highway that wound into town with a too fast 35mph limit. They hung the remote radar unit with the speed limit display out there for weeks.
They finally just installed a series of stop signs so they could just stop writing tickets. This didn't appear to be a revenue generating thing.
With the locals, I tend to think does involve some revenue deal. There's a stretch of 422 that passes through North Coventry Twp. It's really not a local issue of merit in the local yocal fiefdom deal that they have going. No "Protect & Serve" function to it. In fact, it's a state police patrolled highway out of Belmont (Phila) barracks instead of the closer Limerick. Every so often one of their hotdog yahoo cowboys will hang on the bridge and net some money.
In the borough here, they had a stretch of 25mph zone that went through a school zone. The school was (at least 500ft off of the road and fenced. The did some campaign style efforts to contain the traffic, but the road was wider and straighter than the state highway that wound into town with a too fast 35mph limit. They hung the remote radar unit with the speed limit display out there for weeks.
They finally just installed a series of stop signs so they could just stop writing tickets. This didn't appear to be a revenue generating thing.
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However, having been caught in a speed trap the whole purpose of which is revenue, I question the ethics of some officers.
The officers, or the politicians calling the shots? Here they have quotas. It is hard to fault the guy doing what the boss says.
However, having been caught in a speed trap the whole purpose of which is revenue, I question the ethics of some officers.
The officers, or the politicians calling the shots? Here they have quotas. It is hard to fault the guy doing what the boss says.
I have a couple of things to add. As was said, radar can pick up:
Moving:
Vehicles coming at you
Vehicles who just passed you
Vehicles coming up behind you
Vehicles in front of you.
Stationary:
Same 4.
Radar has two options (only one selective) with vehicles moving toward you (while you are mobile or stationary). The unit defaults to the largest return. You can, however, select "faster" and get the faster signal, say a motorcycle passing an 18 wheeler.
When you are "running one down", you MUST hold the "slower" button. This tells the radar that YOU are traveling faster than the target. If not, the error is huge and not to the favor of the driver.
In general, you have a "tracking" time. Visual observation, radar
observation, tracking, target. Sitting on the side of the road and reading traffic coming up behind is difficult but not impossible. It just takes a little longer to pick out the right car.
Moving:
Vehicles coming at you
Vehicles who just passed you
Vehicles coming up behind you
Vehicles in front of you.
Stationary:
Same 4.
Radar has two options (only one selective) with vehicles moving toward you (while you are mobile or stationary). The unit defaults to the largest return. You can, however, select "faster" and get the faster signal, say a motorcycle passing an 18 wheeler.
When you are "running one down", you MUST hold the "slower" button. This tells the radar that YOU are traveling faster than the target. If not, the error is huge and not to the favor of the driver.
In general, you have a "tracking" time. Visual observation, radar
observation, tracking, target. Sitting on the side of the road and reading traffic coming up behind is difficult but not impossible. It just takes a little longer to pick out the right car.
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[snip]When you are "running one down", you MUST hold the "slower" button. This tells the radar that YOU are traveling faster than the target. If not, the error is huge and not to the favor of the driver.
Can you (or someone else) expand on this? Are you saying that the LEO must constantly hold down a button on the radar unit during pursuit? I must be missing something here.
[snip]When you are "running one down", you MUST hold the "slower" button. This tells the radar that YOU are traveling faster than the target. If not, the error is huge and not to the favor of the driver.
Can you (or someone else) expand on this? Are you saying that the LEO must constantly hold down a button on the radar unit during pursuit? I must be missing something here.
In court, the officer will say that he operated the machine correctly.
And somehow their word is better than a civilian's, unless proven wrong.
And somehow their word is better than a civilian's, unless proven wrong.
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