Hotshots oil vs schaeffers

[maraakate]

Gosh, I never heard of Hotshots or Schaeffers until I purchased my diesel pickup and happened upon this HDEO forum. I just use the good old Delvac brand that my company used for years on our fleet vehicles. I had no idea of these fancy oils for a diesel engine (Mobil 1 excluded). I'm almost 2nd guessing myself on the 3,000 - 5,000 mile oil change intervals.

Delvac been around for a long time no need to switch if it's working for you.

 

[FlyingTexan]

More involvement is certainly welcome, but I don't know if I would lead with a PF video here- the BITOG crowd gets cranky about those.

The same ones that will never be happy and never accept any data in any form.

 

[FlyingTexan]

I’ve suggested several times that the guy should stick to knives, shovels and screwdrivers. When he floats into comparative motor oil quality he’s far out of his league and comes up with rankings or determinations that aren’t based on any actual substantive information whatsoever.

Somewhere there's a sour person on a forum that self-labels themself superior about knives, shoves, and screwdrivers that's suggesting he needs to stick to doing oils.

 

[Creekside]

Schaeffer's is in my home state & they've been around longer than Valvoline. I know that's what I'd choose. Look at their PDF's & what specifications they're designed to meet to get a better answer. VOA should be interesting nonetheless.

Fellow Missourian

 

[gunnellett]

Somewhere there's a sour person on a forum that self-labels themself superior about knives, shoves, and screwdrivers that's suggesting he needs to stick to doing oils.

Hall Monitors and keyboard commandos, with questionable credentials, need a safe space to lash out, and be tough, without getting wedgies and swirlies.

 

[CleverUserName]

I remember this. Anyone have a link? I thought it was marketed as 100% PAO and was essentially all group III. One big lie. If they would lie on that scale, why would I trust any of their other marketing?

I actually contacted HSS about this a few years ago. Their SDS didn’t list PAO even though it has a CAS # and the Pour Point also suggested there was little to no PAO in their “100% PAO” oils. The response I got was very convoluted and did not answer my questions.

I also posted this same question on Amazon (back when you could do that) and the response I got from a “satisfied customer” was basically trust me bro, it’s great oil.

Trust me bro?

HSS does guerilla advertising on forums so it’s hard to get an unbiased opinion on their oils and additives from real people. Personally I would not buy anything from this company as the oil analysis I’ve seen have not been great and some have actually been bad.

 

[JackWildfeuer]

Sure his tests are not ASTM level but that does not make his data wrong. The data he generates is still valid data. How do you thing ASTM became a thing? You think this testing body poped up one day as it is today fully formed with all of it's standards in place? You guys are the same types that would poop on the origanal lathe that built the world if PF presented it. Ignorance is bliss but to outright poop on his show and data is just wrong. Sure his methods are primitive by todays standards but 70 years ago most of you would poop on just about everything and everyone that has got us to where we are today. If your not dong it better than PF is why are you even putting him down?

You guys have no historical footing in science and all need to take a hike back in time to the GIANTS whos backs we stand upon like Hertz, Tesla, Marconi, Bell, Volta, Newton, Nobel, etc........According to the standards of you lot these guys would be laughed at and their ideas and primitive equipment pooped on! If you get your education and science briefs from Youtube the problem is you not the content creators on YT! YT is for entertainment. If you are watching Project Farm channel on Youtube for anything other than entertainment purposes that is on you not him! You know MIT and many other Universities and Colleges have free courses online you can sign up and take. You do not get credit for them but they are educational. It is just like paying $50 to audit a class in real life if that is still a thing. You get no credit for the class but you get the education on the cheap and only take what you are intersted in! Learn the difference between entertainment and education! Next we will be attacking clowns and circuses becaue they make it look like anyone with big feet and bad makeup can ride a unicycle and juggle at the same time.

 

[johnmyster]

I’m not sure I could pick between HSS and Schaefers without a tried and true wear scar test to supplement the VOA.

 

[kschachn]

I’m not sure I could pick between HSS and Schaefers without a tried and true wear scar test to supplement the VOA.

Nor would that be of any help. Talk about a worthless test for motor oil, not only isn't it representative for that application it has extremely high variability in results - in fact so high that no oil yields a result that is statistically different than any other.

I daresay you'd be better off with a random spectrographic test.

Nah, I take that back. Both are equally useless to discriminate relative oil quality.

 

[kschachn]

Sure his tests are not ASTM level but that does not make his data wrong. The data he generates is still valid data. How do you thing ASTM became a thing? You think this testing body poped up one day as it is today fully formed with all of it's standards in place? You guys are the same types that would poop on the origanal lathe that built the world if PF presented it. Ignorance is bliss but to outright poop on his show and data is just wrong. Sure his methods are primitive by todays standards but 70 years ago most of you would poop on just about everything and everyone that has got us to where we are today. If your not dong it better than PF is why are you even putting him down?

You guys have no historical footing in science and all need to take a hike back in time to the GIANTS whos backs we stand upon like Hertz, Tesla, Marconi, Bell, Volta, Newton, Nobel, etc........According to the standards of you lot these guys would be laughed at and their ideas and primitive equipment pooped on! If you get your education and science briefs from Youtube the problem is you not the content creators on YT! YT is for entertainment. If you are watching Project Farm channel on Youtube for anything other than entertainment purposes that is on you not him! You know MIT and many other Universities and Colleges have free courses online you can sign up and take. You do not get credit for them but they are educational. It is just like paying $50 to audit a class in real life if that is still a thing. You get no credit for the class but you get the education on the cheap and only take what you are intersted in! Learn the difference between entertainment and education! Next we will be attacking clowns and circuses becaue they make it look like anyone with big feet and bad makeup can ride a unicycle and juggle at the same time.

What a complete lack of even the most basic understanding of what constitutes reliable data and what does not.

 

[johnmyster]

Nor would that be of any help. Talk about a worthless test for motor oil, not only isn't it representative for that application it has extremely high variability in results - in fact so high that no oil yields a result that is statistically different than any other.

I daresay you'd be better off with a random spectrographic test.

Nah, I take that back. Both are equally useless to discriminate relative oil quality.

It was a joke.

 

[kschachn]

It was a joke.

I kinda wondered