Honda paint recall-I won

[powayroger]

After several years of complaining to different service advisors about the poor quality of Honda’s paint (I had clear coat failure on my roof), I finally had one advisor that pursued it and just got my car back from the dealer with a newly (and matching color with the rest of the car) painted roof thanks to recall 13-060.

I find it interesting that Honda did not go with a Honda dealer to do the paint, but an outside body shop. Makes me wonder if Honda has any faith in their paint.

The clear coat wasn't peeling off. I just had large faded white spots on a normally royal blue paint job.

 

[JHZR2]

Excellent, nice job and good to be persistent. I've been unimpressed with Honda paint on our friends' cars, but I think soft paint is the case in general because of the nasty solvents that manufacturers are trying to avoid.

 

[ram_man]

Our civic has tons of rock chips. Our older saturn does not have that. The hondas paint is pretty thin. Would the cover stuff like that?

 

[jeepman3071]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Excellent, nice job and good to be persistent. I've been unimpressed with Honda paint on our friends' cars, but I think soft paint is the case in general because of the nasty solvents that manufacturers are trying to avoid.


+1

I've noticed that I'm seeing a lot more 2-4 year old vehicles with rust on them from the New England winters.

 

[Chris142]

Most dealers don't have a body shop.

 

[SatinSilver]

Black, navy, red, dark green all seem to be the worst offenders. One guy on the Accord forum recently had his 2004 Accord repainted. But had had to pay a portion of the fee. It was either a thousand or $1600, I forget which. But the car looked great afterwards.

 

[SatinSilver]

Originally Posted By: ram_man
Our civic has tons of rock chips. Our older saturn does not have that. The hondas paint is pretty thin. Would the cover stuff like that?


No, but the chips can be touched up. I probably did 25 chips on my neighbors 08 Saturn Astra. Turned out great. Here's a good youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xi3xmeO6C4

I didn't follow all of his tips and it still turned out well.

 

[dwcopple]

Originally Posted By: Chris142
Most dealers don't have a body shop.
Every one I've ever seen does. There is HUUUUUUGE money in collision repair.

 

[dishdude]

Originally Posted By: dwcopple
Originally Posted By: Chris142
Most dealers don't have a body shop.
Every one I've ever seen does. There is HUUUUUUGE money in collision repair.


A lot of dealers around here don't, they just have a preferred shop they send you too.

 

[Chris142]

I have not seen a dealer with a body shop in decades. They would rather just sell the crash parts.

 

[salv]

Dealership body shops operate the same as independents. They do not use OEM paint, and will buy aftermarket stuff to cut costs. They are not licensed by the manufacturer, but they share the franchise name on the building.

 

[mrsilv04]

All of the dealerships around here (except one) have ditched their body shops.

What usually happens is that they'll build a new building... but there's never a body shop included in the new building.

Pretty much the last dealership in this area that has a body shop is the Chevy dealer that my Silverado came from. But, they're in a building that was built in the early 80's, and having a body shop was still common at that point.

I'd never use them for body work. They're not dedicated to it, as would be an independent body shop... like the one I use, which has a laser guided rack and all of the latest equipment.

 

[BISCUT]

While there is no fading on the 10 Armada I do not like how easily it scratches and/or chips. I wonder if it has anything to do with water based paints being used???

 

[SatinSilver]

Originally Posted By: BISCUT
While there is no fading on the 10 Armada I do not like how easily it scratches and/or chips. I wonder if it has anything to do with water based paints being used???


Bingo! That's when all the issues seemed to have developed. In the mean time some Meguiars Ultimate Compound will take care of the swirls and scratches. $9 at Walmart. Ultimate Polish is a little less aggressive and optional as to whether it's used or not.

 

[bdcardinal]

Originally Posted By: Chris142
I have not seen a dealer with a body shop in decades. They would rather just sell the crash parts.


Bingo. We don't have a body shop, don't have the room for one. There isn't a lot of money in selling to body shops, they usually demand 30+% off of list when list is just 20-25% over cost.

Also at least from Ford, you cannot get paint from them in quantities over the .5oz or whatever size the touch up paint bottles are. Believe me, I just had my 2014 Mustang in the body shop because someone doesn't understand what a red light means. On the plus side, the shop I used was literally awesome, you cannot tell at all it was in a collision. This was the shop that Sam Foose used to own and where Chip started, so needless to say they have a reputation to uphold.

 

[Tegger]

Originally Posted By: salv
Dealership body shops operate the same as independents. They do not use OEM paint, and will buy aftermarket stuff to cut costs.

Automakers don't make their own paints, but buy them from Sherwin Williams, Sikkens, BASF, and other suppliers. Factory auto paints have been water-borne for, I think, at least 20-years. I'm not sure there's a chemical difference between OE and top-quality aftermarket.

You can buy top-quality aftermarket that lasts as long as OE and you can buy cheap aftermarket that chalks and peels in a few years. The answer: deal with a top-quality bodyshop. The ones new-car dealers use are often the best ones out there, since they are sometimes working on warranty repairs and recalls. The best shops will NOT be the cheapest.

 

[Tegger]

Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Also at least from Ford, you cannot get paint from them in quantities over the .5oz or whatever size the touch up paint bottles are.

My understanding is that bulk paint-containers used on the line are consumed all at once; none is ever left over and stored. This means that you will never be able to get the exact same paint that was used on the line, no matter what. Touch-up bottles are a different formulation with the same color; they come off a different line entirely, and are meant for storage and individual OTC sale.

 

[EricF]

thanks for california, all automotive paints are water based.
the paint mfgr's aren't going to waste time making 2 different paints, so CA wins again.

if CA didn't sell so many cars, I'm sure the paint people would've put up a rebuttle.

 

[dave123]

Originally Posted By: EricF
thanks for california, all automotive paints are water based.
the paint mfgr's aren't going to waste time making 2 different paints, so CA wins again.

if CA didn't sell so many cars, I'm sure the paint people would've put up a rebuttle.


Paint mfgr's make many different formulas for many places across the country not just CA.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Excellent, nice job and good to be persistent. I've been unimpressed with Honda paint on our friends' cars, but I think soft paint is the case in general because of the nasty solvents that manufacturers are trying to avoid.


+1

I've noticed that I'm seeing a lot more 2-4 year old vehicles with rust on them from the New England winters.


No kidding. Whatever my next vehicle is, I think I will pay to have Auto Rust technicians undercoat it!