That's why I said base rate.
If someone has all gas appliances then even cheap electricity could be pushing 20 cents a kWh.
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If someone has all gas appliances then even cheap electricity could be pushing 20 cents a kWh.
Ouch where's that at?
Man at that price home solar panels would actually make sense.
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No kidding! My last hydro bill was $66 Canadian ($48 US) I only have a one bedroom condo though and I only have the AC on when I’m home (3 nights a week I’m at my girlfriends house)Is that 1 month bill? Holy smokes
In the period 1976-2006, before I retired, I was a lawyer-engineer working on behalf of consumers opposing utility rate increases. This was a period of increasing consumption, construction of multi-billion dollar nuclear plants that were often out of service more than in service, Three Mile Island, inflating fuel costs. At that time, the focus of utility regulation was trying to keep rates affordable.
Today, utility regulation is more focused on getting off of non renewable supply and onto "clean" renewable supply. Regardless of the cost, it seems. Billions of ratepayer dollars are thrown into wind projects, often out in the ocean that soak up billions before a single kilowatt hour ever gets ashore. The attitude seems to be, if enough ratepayer money is thrown at the projects, some will succeed.
And now with efforts to get off of fossil fuel for transportation and building heating, and onto "renewable" electricity, along with growing demand for data centers, the transmission systems to get this power from who knows where to points of consumption will require massive transmission investments. And batteries to store energy are being located throughout the distribution systems to be charged during off peak periods, to deliver power back to the grid during on peak periods.
If you think your electric bills are high, I think you ain't seen nothing yet. But I have found that retirement of my 25 year old central air system with modern heat pumps has cut my summer consumption, and therefore bills, dramatically. The increase in winter bills to heat the home with electricity is offset by the reduction in heating oil I would have otherwise consumed.
Today, utility regulation is more focused on getting off of non renewable supply and onto "clean" renewable supply. Regardless of the cost, it seems. Billions of ratepayer dollars are thrown into wind projects, often out in the ocean that soak up billions before a single kilowatt hour ever gets ashore. The attitude seems to be, if enough ratepayer money is thrown at the projects, some will succeed.
And now with efforts to get off of fossil fuel for transportation and building heating, and onto "renewable" electricity, along with growing demand for data centers, the transmission systems to get this power from who knows where to points of consumption will require massive transmission investments. And batteries to store energy are being located throughout the distribution systems to be charged during off peak periods, to deliver power back to the grid during on peak periods.
If you think your electric bills are high, I think you ain't seen nothing yet. But I have found that retirement of my 25 year old central air system with modern heat pumps has cut my summer consumption, and therefore bills, dramatically. The increase in winter bills to heat the home with electricity is offset by the reduction in heating oil I would have otherwise consumed.
I don’t pay for electricity. Landlord does. House I’m looking to buy has nice bunch of solar panels too
Our electricity bill is one-fifth our xfinity cable bill. Man! that smart electricity coming down the cable must be something special.
Power at under $600 a year not a Top 10 expense concern.
Now if we used that Amana electric dryer less and a clothesline more, we could knock that yearly cost down another couple hundred. But I am not a fan having live wasps and yellow jackets inside my folded shirts or pant legs - I prefer to wake up s-l-o-w-l-y in the morning ...
Power at under $600 a year not a Top 10 expense concern.
Now if we used that Amana electric dryer less and a clothesline more, we could knock that yearly cost down another couple hundred. But I am not a fan having live wasps and yellow jackets inside my folded shirts or pant legs - I prefer to wake up s-l-o-w-l-y in the morning ...
No, because you pay all those fees even if you use zero electricity. Most jurisdictions require you to be connected or they can condemn your house. The real cost is the marginal per kwh charge.
Depends on the billing system.. there are at least 5 different types used.
I will have to look at mine more closely. I know there is a rail fuel surcharge added to each KW on my bill because higher cost to transport coal. There is an added surcharge if I use over 1000 KW’s in a billing cycle.
OVERKILL
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It sure does! But it doesn't have a huge impact on what we actually pay. And the $3.1 billion component covers 85% of the cost of the aforementioned GEA wind and solar contracts signed for by the previous administration. We will have paid >$60 billion for the stuff built under the GEA by the time the contracts expire.
My marginal rate was 17.303 cents per kWh as of February 2024.
As of July 2025 that has risen to 20.055 cents per kWh - an increase of 15.9% in less than two years.
When gaming out the decision to go Solar I had assumed a 2% annual inflation in marginal costs. The project made financial sense even with that highly conservative estimate. My ROI for the trailing twelve months is north of 9% which is far more than double the current yield on a ten year treasury note. Your mileage may vary...
As of July 2025 that has risen to 20.055 cents per kWh - an increase of 15.9% in less than two years.
When gaming out the decision to go Solar I had assumed a 2% annual inflation in marginal costs. The project made financial sense even with that highly conservative estimate. My ROI for the trailing twelve months is north of 9% which is far more than double the current yield on a ten year treasury note. Your mileage may vary...
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Here's my most recent bill:
So:
Average price of electricity paid: $0.102/kWh ($0.074/kWh USD)
Amount paid, with fees, before the OER: $286.40; $0.158/kWh ($0.115/kWh USD)
Amount paid, with fees, after the OER: $253.20; $0.14/kWh ($0.107/kWh USD)
So:
Average price of electricity paid: $0.102/kWh ($0.074/kWh USD)
Amount paid, with fees, before the OER: $286.40; $0.158/kWh ($0.115/kWh USD)
Amount paid, with fees, after the OER: $253.20; $0.14/kWh ($0.107/kWh USD)
I like that you have 4 tiers. Probably more closely reflects actual cost of production.
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You have to opt-in for the Ultra-low overnight rate plan, which pushes up your peak rate:
The ULO plan was/is designed for people with EV's.
Can you explain how this bill works...for us folks that pay flat rates per kWh
How do you use 2 times more off-peak power than anything else? and if half the people did whatever it is you are doing, the names and rates would shift.
St. Louis, MO. It’s only really that high July and August. Averages about $270 across the entire year.
I’m not sure how much solar would cost me to meet my demand but I imagine it’s quite expensive.
Yep. EV, pool pump, 2 dehumidifiers, 4 central AC units, 4 fridges and 1 freezer, 3 kids and 1 wife that leave every single light on.Is that 1 month bill? Holy smokes
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He's on NEM 2.0, so he gets paid full retail for whatever he back-feeds the grid.
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Well, you kind of have to look at the bands of time over the course of the week. There are 168 hours in a week, of that 168 hours, based on Ontario's TOU structure:
- 108 hours are off-peak, that's 64% of the hours
- 30 hours are mid-peak, that's 18% of the hours
- 30 hours are on-peak, that's 18% of the hours
My heat pump is run the hardest when my wife is home from work (she runs hot) so that's the evening. We do laundry on the weekends or at night, that's off-peak.
