- Joined
- Dec 30, 2006
- Messages
- 29,558
I've read about that stuff settling on the bottom of the oil pan.
Highest moly?
- Thread starter aquariuscsm
- Start date
- Status
Let me pose this question: are there any detrimental effects of a lot of molly in a PCMO? I guess I'm asking is there a point where too much moly is harmful ie leaves deposits behind?
Originally Posted by double vanos
Let me pose this question: are there any detrimental effects of a lot of molly in a PCMO? I guess I'm asking is there a point where too much moly is harmful ie leaves deposits behind?
I believe that a high level of MoDTC can make it difficult to pass the TEOST 33C deposit test.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/26272114?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Let me pose this question: are there any detrimental effects of a lot of molly in a PCMO? I guess I'm asking is there a point where too much moly is harmful ie leaves deposits behind?
I believe that a high level of MoDTC can make it difficult to pass the TEOST 33C deposit test.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/26272114?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted by double vanos
Let me pose this question: are there any detrimental effects of a lot of molly in a PCMO? I guess I'm asking is there a point where too much moly is harmful ie leaves deposits behind?
I believe that a high level of MoDTC can make it difficult to pass the TEOST 33C deposit test.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/26272114?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
This oil passed Teost 33C.
Originally Posted by double vanos
Let me pose this question: are there any detrimental effects of a lot of molly in a PCMO? I guess I'm asking is there a point where too much moly is harmful ie leaves deposits behind?
I believe that a high level of MoDTC can make it difficult to pass the TEOST 33C deposit test.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/26272114?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
This oil passed Teost 33C.
Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted by double vanos
Let me pose this question: are there any detrimental effects of a lot of molly in a PCMO? I guess I'm asking is there a point where too much moly is harmful ie leaves deposits behind?
I believe that a high level of MoDTC can make it difficult to pass the TEOST 33C deposit test.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/26272114?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
This oil passed Teost 33C.
How do we know that something called Bad [censored] Racing oil passed anything??
Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted by double vanos
Let me pose this question: are there any detrimental effects of a lot of molly in a PCMO? I guess I'm asking is there a point where too much moly is harmful ie leaves deposits behind?
I believe that a high level of MoDTC can make it difficult to pass the TEOST 33C deposit test.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/26272114?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
This oil passed Teost 33C.
How do we know that something called Bad [censored] Racing oil passed anything??
Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
Keep in mind that there's different types of moly, namely dinuclear and trinuclear MoDTC. Trinuclear MoDTC is much more effective than dinuclear MoDTC and at lower concentrations. Trinuclear MoDTC at 80 ppm is more effective than dinuclear MoDTC at 200 ppm, for example. The old SN formula for Pennzoil conventional, Pennzoil High Mileage, and Quaker State Advanced Durability used dinuclear MoDTC. Don't let the number alone fool you.
Does Mobil use the Trinuclear? I've noticed Mobil's moly count tends be below 100 ppm compared to where Pennzoil/Quaker State Ultimate Durability tend to be well over 100
Keep in mind that there's different types of moly, namely dinuclear and trinuclear MoDTC. Trinuclear MoDTC is much more effective than dinuclear MoDTC and at lower concentrations. Trinuclear MoDTC at 80 ppm is more effective than dinuclear MoDTC at 200 ppm, for example. The old SN formula for Pennzoil conventional, Pennzoil High Mileage, and Quaker State Advanced Durability used dinuclear MoDTC. Don't let the number alone fool you.
Does Mobil use the Trinuclear? I've noticed Mobil's moly count tends be below 100 ppm compared to where Pennzoil/Quaker State Ultimate Durability tend to be well over 100
I wanted to note I did some research into the Liqui Moly MOS2. There are guys on Youtube who did some tests with small engines like a lawnmower and I saw one guy do a test with his BMW. The can of MOS2 had zero effects in their tests. So it looks like there is no immediate effect with the MOS2. However, there are Amazon reviews and reviews on here of MOS2 who insist their engine got smoother or stopped smoking etc as a result of MOS2.
So Im wondering what everyones experience is with it...does it work or not?
So Im wondering what everyones experience is with it...does it work or not?
Originally Posted by Navi
I wanted to note I did some research into the Liqui Moly MOS2. There are guys on Youtube who did some tests with small engines like a lawnmower and I saw one guy do a test with his BMW. The can of MOS2 had zero effects in their tests. So it looks like there is no immediate effect with the MOS2. However, there are Amazon reviews and reviews on here of MOS2 who insist their engine got smoother or stopped smoking etc as a result of MOS2.
So Im wondering what everyones experience is with it...does it work or not?
A lot of oil and car manufacturers does not recommend oil additives as they might affect the balance (don't know if it's the right word) of the oil.
Each oil formulation is carefully formulated and if there is no moly in the oil, it's because the formulation is different and doesn't require it.
I wanted to note I did some research into the Liqui Moly MOS2. There are guys on Youtube who did some tests with small engines like a lawnmower and I saw one guy do a test with his BMW. The can of MOS2 had zero effects in their tests. So it looks like there is no immediate effect with the MOS2. However, there are Amazon reviews and reviews on here of MOS2 who insist their engine got smoother or stopped smoking etc as a result of MOS2.
So Im wondering what everyones experience is with it...does it work or not?
A lot of oil and car manufacturers does not recommend oil additives as they might affect the balance (don't know if it's the right word) of the oil.
Each oil formulation is carefully formulated and if there is no moly in the oil, it's because the formulation is different and doesn't require it.
Originally Posted by Brojo
Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
Keep in mind that there's different types of moly, namely dinuclear and trinuclear MoDTC. Trinuclear MoDTC is much more effective than dinuclear MoDTC and at lower concentrations. Trinuclear MoDTC at 80 ppm is more effective than dinuclear MoDTC at 200 ppm, for example. The old SN formula for Pennzoil conventional, Pennzoil High Mileage, and Quaker State Advanced Durability used dinuclear MoDTC. Don't let the number alone fool you.
Does Mobil use the Trinuclear? I've noticed Mobil's moly count tends be below 100 ppm compared to where Pennzoil/Quaker State Ultimate Durability tend to be well over 100
Yes, Mobil 1 oils use trinuclear MoDTC.
Originally Posted by jbutch
Originally Posted by Navi
I wanted to note I did some research into the Liqui Moly MOS2. There are guys on Youtube who did some tests with small engines like a lawnmower and I saw one guy do a test with his BMW. The can of MOS2 had zero effects in their tests. So it looks like there is no immediate effect with the MOS2. However, there are Amazon reviews and reviews on here of MOS2 who insist their engine got smoother or stopped smoking etc as a result of MOS2.
So Im wondering what everyones experience is with it...does it work or not?
A lot of oil and car manufacturers does not recommend oil additives as they might affect the balance (don't know if it's the right word) of the oil.
Each oil formulation is carefully formulated and if there is no moly in the oil, it's because the formulation is different and doesn't require it.
It's called additive clash. When you introduce a foreign additive to a formulation of a different chemistry, you risk the additives fighting each other rather than doing their job.
Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
Keep in mind that there's different types of moly, namely dinuclear and trinuclear MoDTC. Trinuclear MoDTC is much more effective than dinuclear MoDTC and at lower concentrations. Trinuclear MoDTC at 80 ppm is more effective than dinuclear MoDTC at 200 ppm, for example. The old SN formula for Pennzoil conventional, Pennzoil High Mileage, and Quaker State Advanced Durability used dinuclear MoDTC. Don't let the number alone fool you.
Does Mobil use the Trinuclear? I've noticed Mobil's moly count tends be below 100 ppm compared to where Pennzoil/Quaker State Ultimate Durability tend to be well over 100
Yes, Mobil 1 oils use trinuclear MoDTC.
Originally Posted by jbutch
Originally Posted by Navi
I wanted to note I did some research into the Liqui Moly MOS2. There are guys on Youtube who did some tests with small engines like a lawnmower and I saw one guy do a test with his BMW. The can of MOS2 had zero effects in their tests. So it looks like there is no immediate effect with the MOS2. However, there are Amazon reviews and reviews on here of MOS2 who insist their engine got smoother or stopped smoking etc as a result of MOS2.
So Im wondering what everyones experience is with it...does it work or not?
A lot of oil and car manufacturers does not recommend oil additives as they might affect the balance (don't know if it's the right word) of the oil.
Each oil formulation is carefully formulated and if there is no moly in the oil, it's because the formulation is different and doesn't require it.
It's called additive clash. When you introduce a foreign additive to a formulation of a different chemistry, you risk the additives fighting each other rather than doing their job.
Originally Posted by Navi
Well there are a lot of positive reviews of this product on here and all over the place.
There's a phenomenon that occurs with many users of different products: They spend (extra) money on something and have to justify it lest they seem silly or that they've wasted their money. Happens with all sorts of 'stuff'.
Well there are a lot of positive reviews of this product on here and all over the place.
There's a phenomenon that occurs with many users of different products: They spend (extra) money on something and have to justify it lest they seem silly or that they've wasted their money. Happens with all sorts of 'stuff'.
Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
It's called additive clash. When you introduce a foreign additive to a formulation of a different chemistry, you risk the additives fighting each other rather than doing their job.
I've said this before when people here talking about making their own concoction of different brands of oils, including additives, mixing viscosities, and so on because they read stuff on the internet and now they're suddenly chemical and mechanical engineers who know better than those silly scientists at BP, Shell, and so on.
It's called additive clash. When you introduce a foreign additive to a formulation of a different chemistry, you risk the additives fighting each other rather than doing their job.
I've said this before when people here talking about making their own concoction of different brands of oils, including additives, mixing viscosities, and so on because they read stuff on the internet and now they're suddenly chemical and mechanical engineers who know better than those silly scientists at BP, Shell, and so on.
- Status
Similar threads
