High Performance Lubricants Euro oils...whose going to try it?
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Making comparison between HPL 0W-30 and Ravenol VSW 0W-30 does not tell the whole story and is in no way to be able to tell which is better or why just by comparing numbers of typical oil properties.
In general you should choose the final blend with highest VI because such oil will have a small change in viscosity over wide temperature range. The question is, how was the higher VI in Ravenol VSW 0W-30 achieved compare to HPL 0W-30?
1) Let's take a look at base oil first.
Depending on the refining process you'll end up with base oil with not only different viscosities but also different performance characteristics. If blender wants to achieve base oil with some expected VI to start with they sometimes mix different base stocks at certain ratios to assure not only good low temperature properties but also provide protection at high temperature.
2) Let's take a look at VM's.
Primary function of VM in final blend is to improve viscosity variation of oil with temperature and to formulate the final product to a specific grade. The percentage ratio of VM in final blend as I understand it depends on VI of base oil, viscosity spread and or on type of VM polymer used. Does the VM contains polymer with higher molecular weight and therefore makes the final product less shear stable or does it contain polymer with lower molecular weight and therefore more shear stable?
There's a lot we don't know about all the chemistry involved to make specific final product. But as long as it has the approval your ride requires or in case of HPL that exceeds the given specification you're good to go.
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Just curious..
Why is your air filter "naked" lol? Did you do it on purpose? in order to have the maximum air flow?
Just a high-flow open-element intake. Great sound with the tuned turbo.
If the money is not a problem for you then why not, it looks like it does exactly what it says on the tin. PAO/Ester blend with off the peg additive package to guarantee OEM compliance. Buy with confidence in my opinion.
Obviously, for racing purposes, airflow is paramount because airflow/power is paramount but there is an increase in engine wear usually.
This argument is tired and needs to die. I have no indication of any accelerated wear, excess dirt in my intake track, damaged turbo, etc. and neither has anyone else I've ever seen/heard/read about online with cars like this...ever. The filter provides adequate filtering for my car and I'm quite sure that something else will blow up/I'll get to end-of-life before any tiny bit of wear from this (if it's even happening) impacts the engine. My UOAs look great.
While I agree, I also still believe in the saying... "The best oil filter is a good air filter."
Did you get a power improvement from it? I've seen some intakes like that actually lose power over the OEM box due to the aftermarket intake pulling in hot air right off the radiator compared to the OEM intake drawing cooler air from the fender. A 10°F change in inlet temperature has a bigger effect on air density in the cylinder (and thus power) than a 1% increase in air flow.
Did you get a power improvement from it? I've seen some intakes like that actually lose power over the OEM box due to the aftermarket intake pulling in hot air right off the radiator compared to the OEM intake drawing cooler air from the fender. A 10°F change in inlet temperature has a bigger effect on air density in the cylinder (and thus power) than a 1% increase in air flow.
HPL is what it is.
You get what you pay for.
Especially the Premium Plus series.
Yes I am counting down the days until I remove the factory fill,
and install HPL PP 0W8.
YMMV.
If it’s that urgent why are you waiting?
I certainly am getting some improvements with the higher flow now that I'm at 2x stock power levels...how can't I be? The "hot air intake" thing....on my car, I have a large aftermarket bar/plate intercooler. Any increase in air temps above ambient to the turbo (which isn't an argument....that is 100% a fact as I've logged it with a temp gauge and there is a ton of data form an engineer that has a GTI and dose all sorts of great testing to empirically answer these iquestions) is more than compensated for my the IC so in the end, the air entering the throttle body isn't any warmer running an open intake like mine or the factory intake...they are the same. I am getting more flow which helps with turbo efficiency however that is partially negated by the slightly warmer/less dense air that the turbo has to now compress - which just means my turbo spins a tiny bit faster than if I didn't have it. So in closing, I have more flow, same intake air temps, and a turbo that is spinning a little faster. But...I have that awesome wooooshy boi racer noise that's worth it alone.
Some awesome quantitative testing on all of this:
www.mygolfmk7.com
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In what way?
If you’re referring to High Performance Lubricants Euro oil, that’s simply not true.
HPL engineers, tests, and manufactures their own oil.
They’re not copying anyone, least of all Redline.
With all the posts here, about HPL, and the pictures of their facility, and nine pages of discussion on this product alone, I am genuinely surprised you‘re saying that.
It‘s like saying a Wilson Combat 1911 is a Colt knockoff. Sure, similar product, but…
Gotcha. I wasn't trying to deny a claim or anything. I was just curious if you've actually seen a gain. I didn't know you'd bumped the boost up and put on a bigger/better intercooler as well. I thought it was all stock with just an intake.
When I had my turbo Focus, I ran water/meth at an 80% meth mixture with a small nozzle mounted 3" in front of the turbo spraying straight at the compressor. I had another slightly larger nozzle in the charge pipe right after the intercooler. The pre-turbo nozzle was so effective that the intercooler and 2nd nozzle weren't doing much. I could get the charge pressure below ambient temperature with just the pre-turbo nozzle alone. That said, I was also only pushing 12 psi from a GT2860RS so I wasn't making that much heat to begin with.
MolaKule
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No, they are not. Astro 14 beat me to it but I was about to say the same thing.
HPL engineers, tests, and manufactures their own oil.
Just to add: They developed their own formulations from scratch. They provide various racing teams with some rally tough lubricants that other blenders could not. Their current lubricants for light trucks and passenger vehicles is an outgrowth of their experience developing and formulating racing lubricants.
I know but internet wisdom of the high flow filter/hot air intake etc. is pretty implanted. Even with the stock IC, I think the IAT difference is still zero b/c the stock IC on these MK7s is actually pretty efficient with a stock turbo and the temps to the turbo aren't huge especially when moving. Also, the testing I linked has some results showing there is a difference when the open element intakes have a heat shield that is measurable.
I think the meth injection system is cool and I have heard it can do wonders for IATs. My throttle body charge pipe (aftermarket) has a bung for a meth injector. My car runs the turbo from the Golf R so a large OE turbo and on my tune hits about 22 psi peak tapering to 19 or so at redline so nothing huge...many MK7 GTIs/Rs are near 30 just for a typical "stage 2" tune...very robust engines!
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Looking forward to seeing the results! I went to the HPL website and it appears the Euro 5W40 formulation isn't orderable quite yet? You have an "in" or am I just challenged?
I just added MPI to my R with the Vortex hybrid I've had on the past couple of years, so I'll be running higher E blends than previously on the stock DI. I was on E30 but now with MPI I'll have a moderately aggressive daily E40 tune and full send E85 tune. Hoping to get a nice bump in power...thinking I should be @ 520-530whp corrected when I hit the dyno next month on the E85 tune.
I've been running Motul Sport on the last 2 fills (5W50 last summer and 5W40 now), but would be very interested in giving this oil a go on the next fill which should be in April-ish timeframe.
