High Performance Lubricants Euro oils...whose going to try it?

Improvements will mean different things to different companies. A few people that have been through our facility have seen data that shows differences in our products and others. When I make my choices I will look at the standard “cookbook” formula that will squeak you just into the approved category as well as the market solid performers as well as the products that have a good track record as the leader in that particular product group. With that data I know where I want to position my products. Where it ends for us is having products that are made from good materials such as PAO, Alkylated Naphthalenes, Esters, shear stable VI improvers, and using premium quality additives to get it done.

I am not one who has any interest in “my oil is better than your oil” or creating limitless bar charts or slamming competition. We live in a time that there are a lot of good choices in oils. At the end of the day as long as I make good choices in materials so our customers can rely on our products I have done my job right.

David
 
So now approved or certified it meets the spec isn't good enough.
I'll have to go to work and tell the Admiral we need to dump all the oil used in the jets because it only meets the spec... :ROFLMAO:
 
TiGeo said:
Pardon my density on this - what is a "star" and a "ocp". Thanks.
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So this is not a perfect image of what I was looking for because it shows star and linear styrenes. However it does represent the relative difference in structure between a star and OCP.
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Get rid of all high end restaurants. You can live on Mcdonalds so there's no need for anything else.

Seafood? Nah, fillet o-fish meets the minimum requirement for a seafood meal.

Ribs? No. McRib is all you need... ignore the fact that it's not actually rib meat.

Baskin Robins? No need for that when McDs serves ice cream. (when the machine works)

Why attempt to make anything better when McDonalds passes state inspection as edible food?
 
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Hell...

Why we are at it...

Everyone live in a 14 by 70 single wide trailer.... Meets basic housing needs too.

No more cracker jack track houses needed.

No more nicer homes in nicer areas and with more land needed.

No more big money custom built homes in gated communities.

No more large estates on hundreds of acres of land needed.

Nope... We all get single wide 14 by 70 FEMA type trailers.... That'll do ya.

:LOL:
 
HPL is like the SR -71 way back in time...

It was made to be able to do activities in such a way that it would never be shot down while performing it mission.

And it succeeded in that.

A Soviet pilot who had defected said, " we tried and tried to shoot it down whether it be from SAM sites or trying to catch up to it in flight. But we never could do it". And one of the officials from our country said to him, " Vladimir that's what men can do when they are free."

Amsoil and Redline make very, very good oils.

Mobil 1 makes very, very good oils like Mobil 1 0w40, ESP 0w30, ESP 5w30. Castrol 0w40 is in that same category. Look at the approvals those oils carry.

Then after those oils you have Valvoline advanced full synthetic, Valvoline EP full synthetic, Havoline Pro DS, Pennzoil Platinum, Quaker State full synthetic, ST full synthetic, etc etc.

Then you have the basic synthetic blend oils that meet API SP.

HPL has basically taken the concept of say the U-2 plane and went headlong into development and making of the SR-71.

They are making exceptionally high performance oils that are way, way, way beyond everyone and everything else.

Erica Enders won championships with HPL. A number of the guys from Street Outlaws are running HPL. There's a reason why they are running such an exceptional oil in their race cars. Because it is that great of a product.

The first hand accounts of those on here who have seen their operation first hand, the UOA from Wayne, and the technical experience they have as noted by Dr Molakule is extremely, extremely impressive.

I trust Astro, Dr Molakule and Wayne in what they have seen first hand.

Exceptionalism... It's not been totally lost.
 
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CleanSump said:
So now approved or certified it meets the spec isn't good enough.
I'll have to go to work and tell the Admiral we need to dump all the oil used in the jets because it only meets the spec... :ROFLMAO:
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Think of it as the concept of "code-minimum" with regards to residential construction or "builder grade" with regards to building materials.

The above code house will likely provide better comfort and "living experience", but both will provide basic shelter, heating/cooling, and similar levels of maintenance.
 
bbhero said:
HPL is like the SR -71 way back in time...

It was made to be able to do activities in such a way that it would never be shot down while performing it mission.

And it succeeded in that.

A Soviet pilot who had defected said, " we tried and tried to shoot it down whether it be from SAM sites or trying to catch up to it in flight. But we never could do it". And one of the officials from our country said to him, " Vladimir that's what men can do when they are free."

Amsoil and Redline make very, very good oils.

Mobil 1 makes very, very good oils like Mobil 1 0w40, ESP 0w30, ESP 5w30. Castrol 0w40 is in that same category. Look at the approvals those oils carry.

Then after those oils you have Valvoline advanced full synthetic, Valvoline EP full synthetic, Havoline Pro DS, Pennzoil Platinum, Quaker State full synthetic, ST full synthetic, etc etc.

Then you have the basic synthetic blend oils that meet API SP.

HPL has basically taken the concept of say the U-2 plane and went headlong into development and making of the SR-71.

They are making exceptionally high performance oils that are way, way, way beyond everyone and everything else.

Erica Enders won championships with HPL. A number of the guys from Street Outlaws are running HPL. There's a reason why they are running such an exceptional oil in their race cars. Because it is that great of a product.

The first hand accounts of those on here who have seen their operation first hand, the UOA from Wayne, and the technical experience they have as noted by Dr Molakule is extremely, extremely impressive.

I trust Astro, Dr Molakule and Wayne in what they have seen first hand.

Exceptionalism... It's not been totally lost.
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Be careful with the race team sponsorship use for this discussion - lots of oils sponsor winning race teams including M1 and Liquimoly. It's not on it's own a sign of superiority but yes, professional race teams aren't going to use crap oil is the point I think.
 
TiGeo said:
Be careful with the race team sponsorship use for this discussion - lots of oils sponsor winning race teams including M1 and Liquimoly. It's not on it's own a sign of superiority but yes, professional race teams aren't going to use crap oil is the point I think.
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I would agree with you with 2 clarifications. First, we do not write a check for any team. Our relationships are only based on performance. And next when you look at the 2 gasoline professional classes in the NHRA about 75% of what goes down the track each event does use our oil. This is personally satisfying because you simply cannot fake it in pro stock. There are only a couple companies that make the 0w3 to 0w8 oils that will stand up to 1400 horsepower reliably. I also realize that Horswpower gains are horsepower gains. If someone comes up with an oil that frees up more power than we do I will be gone faster that you can imagine. For that reason we are constantly looking at new materials for anything that would be a benefit.

David
 
High Performance Lubricants said:
So this is not a perfect image of what I was looking for because it shows star and linear styrenes. However it does represent the relative difference in structure between a star and OCP. View attachment 82435
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I remember reading a statement that OCP's are the VII of choice nowadays because Star Polymers have difficulty passing the turbocharger deposit tests. If I recall correctly, this has something to do with Star Polymers being inherently "dirty." Do you know anything about this?
 
The Critic said:
I remember reading a statement that OCP's are the VII of choice nowadays because Star Polymers have difficulty passing the turbocharger deposit tests. If I recall correctly, this has something to do with Star Polymers being inherently "dirty." Do you know anything about this?
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For oils that are in the "meet the spec" area this would be more of a concern vs something that has the extra oxidation stability such as ours. We have enough antioxidants in these oils to protect the polymer and protect the oil from anything the polymer might throw off as decomposition.
 
When it comes to a VW 504 0w30 Oil for the V6 in my Atlas Cross Sport I'm currently using Ravenol VSW 0w30. Yes its pricey compared to Walmart alternatives as is the HPL. But looking at the provided numbers of each 0w30 oil i don't see much difference as each oil shows better numbers than the other in several places but I don't see enough of a difference btwn them for the price difference. I can get 6qts of Ravenol 0w30, an oil filter, drain plug and a mahle carbon cabin filter with free shipping for less than the shipped HPL 0w30.
Am I missing anything in the numbers?
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dbias said:
When it comes to a VW 504 0w30 Oil for the V6 in my Atlas Cross Sport I'm currently using Ravenol VSW 0w30. Yes its pricey compared to Walmart alternatives as is the HPL. But looking at the provided numbers of each 0w30 oil i don't see much difference as each oil shows better numbers than the other in several places but I don't see enough of a difference btwn them for the price difference. I can get 6qts of Ravenol 0w30, an oil filter, drain plug and a mahle carbon cabin filter with free shipping for less than the shipped HPL 0w30.
Am I missing anything in the numbers? View attachment 82576View attachment 82577View attachment 82578
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Or get the LM 0W30 kit from FCP Euro, pay once, the rest are free. That's what I do for my Atlas at least - I have been using the 502 LM product but may give the 504 a whirl. This kind of vehicle is not the target customer of HPL for sure.
 
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