High Performance Lubricants Engine Cleaner

[OVERKILL]

even supertech isn't bad, it's hot running engines, bad designs, or bad maintenance that cause carbon or sludge.

Carbon in the ring lands is an expected byproduct of operation, why do you think Valvoline specifically targeted that with R&P? The API and ACEA standards do not include "keep the ring lands spotless" as criteria, there's a "reasonable" limit on the level of build-up permitted over the duration of the test.

Some oils are going to be better at keeping this area clean than others, just like some engine designs are going to be more prone to build-up in this area than others. My experience with HPL liberating carbonaceous material is on a HEMI, which aren't known for stuck rings and high oil consumption, but are known for being quite dirty running. I had M1 0W-40 liberate similar material, but not in the same volume, on our old 5.4L Ford 2V, which is not known as a dirty running engine, but was not treated to the same quality of lubricants and had higher mileage.

Honda's VCM V6, the Saturn 1.9L engines, various Toyota engines. These are all known for developing stuck rings and high oil consumption. These are outside the scope of "typical" conditions attempted to be replicated by the API/ACEA testing. That said, @Trav had success with the Honda VCM engines using M1 0W-40, which underscores the ability to counter the impact of certain poor design decisions with a product that is capable of considerably higher performance than simply "meeting the spec".

 

[dumkid]

Carbon in the ring lands is an expected byproduct of operation, why do you think Valvoline specifically targeted that with R&P? The API and ACEA standards do not include "keep the ring lands spotless" as criteria, there's a "reasonable" limit on the level of build-up permitted over the duration of the test.

Some oils are going to be better at keeping this area clean than others, just like some engine designs are going to be more prone to build-up in this area than others. My experience with HPL liberating carbonaceous material is on a HEMI, which aren't known for stuck rings and high oil consumption, but are known for being quite dirty running. I had M1 0W-40 liberate similar material, but not in the same volume, on our old 5.4L Ford 2V, which is not known as a dirty running engine, but was not treated to the same quality of lubricants and had higher mileage.

Honda's VCM V6, the Saturn 1.9L engines, various Toyota engines. These are all known for developing stuck rings and high oil consumption. These are outside the scope of "typical" conditions attempted to be replicated by the API/ACEA testing. That said, @Trav had success with the Honda VCM engines using M1 0W-40, which underscores the ability to counter the impact of certain poor design decisions with a product that is capable of considerably higher performance than simply "meeting the spec".

yes i understand that it cleans the ring lands, but if the rings are still free and able to seal just fine, then you don't really NEED to remove carbon. the engine will be fine either way. cars with bad design or bad maintenance will have more carbon, or the carbon will actually cause issues (low tension rings) and those engines are where engine cleaner will help with oil burning or loss of power.

tl/dr: if your engine runs fine, has good compression, and doesn't burn oil, you don't need engine cleaner.

I don't need to run engine cleaner because my car runs fine and only burns a little bit of oil, but I'm probably still going to run it one time to see if I catch any carbon (I'm pretty sure I will)

 

[Retirednow]

What Oil are you using and maybe what you are seeing in your Oil Filter is Normal. I have a hunch that you are not using Mobil 1 FS 0W-40

Oil used is irrelevant.

 

[Retirednow]

Carbon in the ring lands is an expected byproduct of operation, why do you think Valvoline specifically targeted that with R&P? The API and ACEA standards do not include "keep the ring lands spotless" as criteria, there's a "reasonable" limit on the level of build-up permitted over the duration of the test.

Some oils are going to be better at keeping this area clean than others, just like some engine designs are going to be more prone to build-up in this area than others. My experience with HPL liberating carbonaceous material is on a HEMI, which aren't known for stuck rings and high oil consumption, but are known for being quite dirty running. I had M1 0W-40 liberate similar material, but not in the same volume, on our old 5.4L Ford 2V, which is not known as a dirty running engine, but was not treated to the same quality of lubricants and had higher mileage.

Honda's VCM V6, the Saturn 1.9L engines, various Toyota engines. These are all known for developing stuck rings and high oil consumption. These are outside the scope of "typical" conditions attempted to be replicated by the API/ACEA testing. That said, @Trav had success with the Honda VCM engines using M1 0W-40, which underscores the ability to counter the impact of certain poor design decisions with a product that is capable of considerably higher performance than simply "meeting the spec".

Agree. My daughters Suzuki engine internals eg timing chain etc, looked unused and had run short full syn oci’s. Run Rislone cleaner with edter and torque, engine braking and fuel economy improved enormously. Took time but slow and safes. Same with my Barra engined Falcon and now started on daughters recently acquired used Audi S3. Would use HPL EC but not currently available. Oh And I use Rislone at double strength.

 

[Tempest1]

Has anyone seen any recommendations for a "maintenance" dose to use at every OCI? I've been using ARX for this but EC is cheaper, at least by volume.

 

[TiGeo]

Has anyone seen any recommendations for a "maintenance" dose to use at every OCI? I've been using ARX for this but EC is cheaper, at least by volume.

Why not just use the HPL oil...that's part of the reason to use it.

 

[Tempest1]

Cost. Kirkland is $4 a quart on sale. HPL is going to be $14 a quart. I'm sure it's worth it in some situations but the Kirkland is working well for me.

 

[350Rocket]

Cost. Kirkland is $4 a quart on sale. HPL is going to be $14 a quart. I'm sure it's worth it in some situations but the Kirkland is working well for me.

Is there some reason the engine needs cleaning like previous neglect? Otherwise if cost is the reasoning I'm not sure I see the point in adding an additive every oil change?

 

[Retirednow]

Is there some reason the engine needs cleaning like previous neglect? Otherwise if cost is the reasoning I'm not sure I see the point in adding an additive every oil change?

They do. Carbonaceous deposits build up in the rings and ring lands over time, no matter what your choice of oil is and oci.

 

[RDY4WAR]

They do. Carbonaceous deposits build up in the rings and ring lands over time, no matter what your choice of oil is and oci.

I disagree. If you use a good top shelf oil, that runs clean, from the get-go, you won't have piston deposits or ring coking. If your statement is only referring to common brands on the store shelf, then I would agree.

 

[350Rocket]

They do. Carbonaceous deposits build up in the rings and ring lands over time, no matter what your choice of oil is and oci.

How many well maintained engines have you torn down or seen torn down? I'm thinking this is not going to match with a lot of other people's experiences.

 

[Glenda W.]

They do. Carbonaceous deposits build up in the rings and ring lands over time, no matter what your choice of oil is and oci.

Agree 100%.

I’m living proof. Unfortunately OTC oils at 5k intervals(some of BITOG favorites) didn’t help me. Majority group 3 oils IMO start to build ring land deposits as soon as you fire up the engine. However in my case the engine internals otherwise were spotless. I also believe oil consumption is engine specific depending on the oil control rings design.

 

[Retirednow]

How many well maintained engines have you torn down or seen torn down? I'm thinking this is not going to match with a lot of other people's experiences.

48 years including sprint car and boat racing teams. Verified on numerous engines of ours, friends and work colleagues. Engines get dirty internally in operation.

 

[Retirednow]

I disagree. If you use a good top shelf oil, that runs clean, from the get-go, you won't have piston deposits or ring coking. If your statement is only referring to common brands on the store shelf, then I would agree.

No. I’m talking synthetics only and short oci’s.
Before/after compression test confirmation.

 

[melk]

Any reason to advise against running 1qt HPL EC30 with 5qt VRP?

 

[Sam_Julier]

Any reason to advise against running 1qt HPL EC30 with 5qt VRP?

This is the ratio I have been using in my Volvo V70 with a 6 liter sump. The cleaning has been exceptional.

 

[Shel_B]

This is the ratio I have been using in my Volvo V70 with a 6 liter sump. The cleaning has been exceptional.

For how long (time and mileage) have you been using the cleaner?
How were you able to determine the extent and quality of the cleaning?

I'm curious because I just started the process and would like to get suggestons on how I can determine its results.

 

[Sequoiasoon]

Any reason to advise against running 1qt HPL EC30 with 5qt VRP?

Possibly conflicting chemistries. Some say not to mix them, use one or the other. I know someone posted that they did just that and used them together.

EC30 is listed as add to your regular oil to help clean and prepare for full HPL use. Change filter at 2k miles and inspect so you can judge from there.

If your regular oil happens to be VRP and you have been using that for a while and just now stumbled across HPL, and like many here said extra cleaning is good, let me try this, what would you do?

 

[Sequoiasoon]

This is the ratio I have been using in my Volvo V70 with a 6 liter sump. The cleaning has been exceptional.

Did you use the EC30 and VRP at the same time?

 

[Sam_Julier]

Did you use the EC30 and VRP at the same time?

No. I would not mix the two.