Help me pick a new car....any advice appreciated!

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I have always been a GM fan. This time around I'm going to buy a Japanese car. My luck with GM has been not so good in my last few cars and trucks. We will be trading in a 2002 Camaro Z28 that has been an outstanding car but with a baby on the way it is not the best family car. We need a car with 4 doors, good gas mileage and EXTREEMLY Dependable! We are looking at a:

Subaru Outback for it's all wheel drive and decent ground clearence allong with a solid build quality.

Honda Accord for it's build quality and steller reputation for quality.

Honda CRV again for all wheel drive and outstanding quality.

Toyota Camery also has an excellent reputation

Toyota Corolla.......quality built but probibly to small.

Which do you feel would be the best family car and daily driver? If you own one please tell me how you like it and what problems you have had. Many thanks!!!!
 
While you own your new car, how many infant/child car seats do you expect to have strapped in, in the back seat? When I bought my Ford Focus I had one child car seat but now there are two. Now I wish I had a wider(longer) back seat--but one that gets 33mpg like this Focus.
 
Originally Posted By: jorton
While you own your new car, how many infant/child car seats do you expect to have strapped in, in the back seat? When I bought my Ford Focus I had one child car seat but now there are two. Now I wish I had a wider(longer) back seat--but one that gets 33mpg like this Focus.


2 max but probibly only one.
 
I'm mostly concerned with pure reliability. I don't want ANY problems what so ever......I'v been there done that with my American cars.
 
I have driven the 08 Accord in the EX-L I4 and EX V6 trims. The steering feel in both versions is outstanding; it's dead accurate and well-weighted. Power is decent for the four-cylinder, but you are better off with the V6. The V6 delivers more power with only a small reduction in fuel economy. If the V6 is driven gently, the fuel economy should match the I4 as the V6 engine has a three cylinder mode. I have a very light foot, and during the test drive the engine was operating in three cylinder mode for the majority of the time. The transition between the three, four and six cylinder modes was seamless on the vehicle that I drove.

Unfortunately, the V6 has a timing belt that requires replacement around 100k. The dealer charges around $800 for the timing belt, water pump and hoses to be replaced, but if you can find a Honda technician to do it for you "after hours," you can have it done for a fraction of the amount. Also, the seats on the Accord are very firm and some people may find them uncomfortable. Lastly, wind and road noise is very noticeable, which can be an issue for some.

I don't anticipate reliability to be a problem with the Accord. The transmission has been upgraded to a 4-shaft unit in the V6 and a 3-shaft unit in the I4, and those units have so far proven to be very reliable. I would stay away from the Camry as Toyota seems to be having some serious quality issues lately, especially with their powertrains. While they seem to have the problems resolved, only time will tell if the newer models are as reliable as their predecessors. Another vehicle to consider is the Sonata, as Hyundai seems to have their reliability nailed, but the driving dynamics do not match the Honda.
 
i think the primary criteria should be exactly what you stated

1. good mileage
2. Dependability
3. 4 doors

The last criteria should be where a car was built. FYI I have owned 3 Japanese cars and none were near as reliable as my 2000 Explorer. The latest JD Power reports the Buick Century as the "most reliable car" in terms of durability (the Mercury Sable cam in 2nd) for midsize cars. http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-category/midsize-car
I purchase American cars now simply because they are all pretty close in terms of durability and US cars can usually be bought at a discount to their foreign counterparts. Go into it with an open mind and come to your own conclusions
 
Originally Posted By: Chris B.
I'm mostly concerned with pure reliability. I don't want ANY problems what so ever......I'v been there done that with my American cars.


Yeah, and I'd love to achieve perpetual motion, but it ain't gonna happen. Japanese cars have problems too, just like any other machine built by human hands. Don't put Japanese cars on a pedestal just because the Almighty "H" badge might be on it.

Don't get me wrong. My family has sworn off GM for awhile due to some electrical and A/C problems with our last 4 GM products spanning from mid 80's models to mid 90's models. I understand where you're coming from, but don't automatically assume you will have a completely trouble-free car because it was designed and possibly built in Japan.
 
Originally Posted By: Chris B.
I'm mostly concerned with pure reliability. I don't want ANY problems what so ever......I'v been there done that with my American cars.


I'm going to recommend a Chevy Impala just to spite you!
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Reliability is fewer widgets.

Inline 4, 5 speed stick shift.

Manual windows and locks.

Manual heat and AC

2 wheel drive

There's no magic brand for reliability. I agree with the hyundai sonata idea. My family has had good luck with accents and the sonata feels real tight (rented one). Any problems and there's the 10 year/100k warranty.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Reliability is fewer widgets. Inline 4, 5 speed stick shift. Manual windows and locks. Manual heat and AC. 2 wheel drive.

There's no magic brand for reliability. I agree with the hyundai sonata idea. My family has had good luck with accents and the sonata feels real tight (rented one). Any problems and there's the 10 year/100k warranty.

That pretty much sums up my thinking, too. Hyundai's come a long way since the Excel, and the warranty looks VERY pretty.
 
Know you prefer non American (sad that we have to say this, myself included) but i've read and heard great things about the Chevy Malibu. Good gas mileage too.
 
Originally Posted By: Chris B.
I have always been a GM fan. This time around I'm going to buy a Japanese car. My luck with GM has been not so good in my last few cars and trucks. We will be trading in a 2002 Camaro Z28 that has been an outstanding car but with a baby on the way it is not the best family car. We need a car with 4 doors, good gas mileage and EXTREEMLY Dependable! We are looking at a:

Subaru Outback for it's all wheel drive and decent ground clearence allong with a solid build quality.

Honda Accord for it's build quality and steller reputation for quality.

Honda CRV again for all wheel drive and outstanding quality.

Toyota Camery also has an excellent reputation

Toyota Corolla.......quality built but probibly to small.

Which do you feel would be the best family car and daily driver? If you own one please tell me how you like it and what problems you have had. Many thanks!!!!


From the vehicles you have mentioned here, I would get the Honda CRV. Take your wife out and test drive one and I believe you will find it fits all your needs.
 
Originally Posted By: frank2009
Know you prefer non American (sad that we have to say this, myself included) but i've read and heard great things about the Chevy Malibu. Good gas mileage too.



+1.


Was a touch out of my budget, but I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with the lack of typical "GM plasticky" interior.
 
Originally Posted By: firemachine69
Originally Posted By: frank2009
Know you prefer non American (sad that we have to say this, myself included) but i've read and heard great things about the Chevy Malibu. Good gas mileage too.



+1.


Was a touch out of my budget, but I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with the lack of typical "GM plasticky" interior.
What GM has done with the new class-trailing Impala is that they've put an extremely HEFTY price tag on it.
 
2009 PONTIAC Vibe with the 1.8 ltr. engine ( same as COROLLA , MATRIX ) . You can get a VIBE with automatic transmission for less than $17,000 ( $500 rebate ). They're equiped with Anti Lock Brakes , Traction Control , Vehicle Stability Control , Side / Curtain Air Bags , and the ACTIVE HEAD RESTRAINT . You should be able to average in the low 30's for gas mileage . You'll get the 5 year / 100,000 mile powertrain warranty and the 3 year / 36,000 mile BUMPER TO BUMPER warranty . Last , you'll get XM radio free for 3 months and ONSTAR for free for 1 year . That way you'll have peace of mind for safety and savings on gas . GOOD LUCK
 
Originally Posted By: smokey1
2009 PONTIAC Vibe with the 1.8 ltr. engine ( same as COROLLA , MATRIX ) . You can get a VIBE with automatic transmission for less than $17,000 ( $500 rebate ). They're equiped with Anti Lock Brakes , Traction Control , Vehicle Stability Control , Side / Curtain Air Bags , and the ACTIVE HEAD RESTRAINT . You should be able to average in the low 30's for gas mileage . You'll get the 5 year / 100,000 mile powertrain warranty and the 3 year / 36,000 mile BUMPER TO BUMPER warranty . Last , you'll get XM radio free for 3 months and ONSTAR for free for 1 year . That way you'll have peace of mind for safety and savings on gas . GOOD LUCK


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Okay, so I'm biased. But after almost 4 years I'm still happy with my Vibe.
 
08' Corolla is a safe bet. I get 40-41 mpg at 65 mph and can fetch about 33-35 city driven smartly, which is very impressive for a 1.8 automatic. Seems to have plenty of room for my liking, except that the steering wheel is oddly kind of far away from the driving position.

PROS: The engine bay is oddly sparse for a newer car. Unlike other ones I have owned, you can reach in and that engine bay and do things yourself easily like plugs, wires, pcv, oil filter (very simple and easy to get to) and other maintenance items. I think the 1.8L is above average in reliability. HVAC and radio controls are very large buttons that are clearly marked and easy to push while driving. The radio is kind of a reach from driving position though. Seats are very comfortable and supportive. The sits higher than most in class it seems, therefore making it easy to get in and out. Headlight brightness is above average, particularly on high beams. Engine is peppy, but not a speed demon either. Car seems geared torquey down low and is a great around town commuter. 4 speed automatic transmission shifts are very smooth and it does a good job of holding gears when it needs to. Price was nice with a 1000 rebate. Car came in at just a tick under 14,000 which wasn't really any more than the Yaris we looked at. YMMV on price though. I do like that the vehicle has an outside temperature sensor located in the odometer area. Nice touch on an inexpensive car. The body integrity seems solid. All doors are very well sealed and close with a solid "thud". What I am getting at is the car doesn't have that tinny feel you may encounter with econoboxes. Car insurance is very inexpensive on the car, even with full coverage, but YMMV depending on your driving history obviously. Leg room in front is good. Wife is 5'11" and drove the Yaris, but could not get comfortable in it. The way the dash and controls are set farther away in the Corolla enables more leg room for taller drivers.

Cons: Brakes are just okay, not that great, but not bad either. Steering wheel position. This car needs a telescoping steering wheel like no other. Instrument layout is nothing fancy, but is at least easy to identify. Back seat head rests (there are 3 of them) get in the way of visibility. I take them out and store them in the trunk so the wife can back up and pass without the horrible blind spot these provide. Paint is a tad bit on the thin side and there are a few small chips already (car has 6000 miles on it). Stock tires will only be good enough until you replace them with real snow/rain tires when you wear these out. These Goodyear Integrity tires are smooth riding, but not the greatest for foul weather. Factory mud guards should come stock, but they don't. Not a major con though as they are available through Toyota for a minor fee.

There you have it. That is my review on my 08' Corolla.
 
the new '09 COROLLA has telescopic / tilt steering wheel as well as Anti Lock Brakes , ACTIVE HEAD RESTRAINTS , and SIDE/CURTAIN AIR BAGS are standard . The VEHICLE STABILITY CONTROL with TRACTION CONTROL is additional $250 .
 
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