Havoline now API SQ and ILSAC GF-7A

[wemay]

Unlikely. Most people buying oil there have no idea what the current standards are

I've spoken to some Tech-line folks working at some major oil companies that didn't as well.

 

[Slick3914]

Like the specs on the 0W-20….9.0 at 100C

 

[addyguy]

I like that they now have a 0W-40!
Yes, it’s similar to other 0W-40’s, but interesting to see another one out there!
Also, the cold-crank numbers are great on this line of oils!

 

[ripcord]

Sometimes I envy the people who aren’t oil nerds like us, they just pop in and grab whatever is the cheapest or whichever label looks best to them

Ummm.... not sure that doesn't still apply to most of us here, too, lol.

 

[MVAR]

I like that they now have a 0W-40!
Yes, it’s similar to other 0W-40’s, but interesting to see another one out there!
Also, the cold-crank numbers are great on this line of oils!

Let me know when you actually find it for sale. I searched for it & couldn’t find it anywhere.

 

[Furyus67]

Let me know when you actually find it for sale. I searched for it & couldn’t find it anywhere.

I reached out to Havoline to see where I could purchase it. Standing by for their response.

 

[4WD]

Think they could of done better with color codes - and not dumping my SP in recycle for this - will see where next Dexos lands

 

[Foxtrot08]

Think they could of done better with color codes - and not dumping my SP in recycle for this - will see where next Dexos lands

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Probably consolidated to a 0w30, sometime in 2028, maybe 2029 is what I last heard. End of 2027 at the earliest.

 

[facility1]

Like the specs on the 0W-20….9.0 at 100C

8.0 on the 0w-20 is the current spec at 100c is what I am seeing ?

 

[Leroybrown]

interesting that it offers better LSPI protection, as many here think that the issue does not really exist. Someone sure thinks it does.

I think it's engine specific. For example I have seen people.talking about it happening to the Hyundai 1.6 turbo, but the VW tsi engines don't have that problem.

 

[MVAR]

I think it's engine specific. For example I have seen people.talking about it happening to the Hyundai 1.6 turbo, but the VW tsi engines don't have that problem.

The early Mazda MZR engines suffered from LSPI at low rpm acceleration. Think country road or highway speed (50-60mph) in 6th gear. If one would lightly tip into the throttle to accelerate it would sound like WW3 was happening under the hood. Problem was solved for the most part with upgraded higher flow mechanical fuel pump internals.

This was on the 06-10 manual transmission Mazdaspeed3/6 cars, the automatic CX7 never seemed to have the issue

 

[Blinker]

I had a LSPI event on my 2018 1.6T Hyundai turbo. LSPI is a small cubic inch/liter engine turbo thing. The engine made it through it, I don't know how. Still in stock form when it happened. I went WFO at about 1,600 to 2,200 rpm can't remember for sure , and BAM. It felt like the car jumped 5 ft in the air. The event was very violent. I was sure the motor was totaled right there and then, but it was still idling and sounded normal. The car is now a tuner car and gets beat on hard daily. At 63,000 miles, but it is a Hyundai, it will be a miracle if it makes it to 100,000 miles.

You sure it wasn’t the problematic DCT acting up? Those 7-speed DCT’s had a ton of issues.

 

[Mainia]

You sure it wasn’t the problematic DCT acting up? Those 7-speed DCT’s had a ton of issues.

Nope, my DCT isn’t that bad, the 2018 Kona’s DCT were built by the A team, the 2019 Kona’s were built by the C- team. I think it was LSPI. WFO at 1,650 to 1,750 and wham. I am needing a clutch at 60,000 with towing and 230-240 hp. It is getting the cryo clutch installed next week. I Cryoed the new clutch assembly and the new dual mass flywheel as there are no after market clutches for the 7 speed that work right. I got the new DCT firmware update that has more slip added into the clutch for their fix for studded clutch. It was needed as if you drag raced it it would beat the heck out of the clutch/trans because it had very little slip at wot. Driving like a grandma it was ok. I wish I could get between the two actually. It is a lot better than it was.

 

[Bill7]

In a nutshell it offers better protection against LSPI and slightly better wear protection

The API specs always set the bar so low. Wish they would mandate european oil specs in the US.

 

[64bawagon]

Is anyone seeing any of the brands in stores ?

 

[MVAR]

Is anyone seeing any of the brands in stores ?

Local WM has the Lifelong 6qt boxes in stock. Local Napa has the regular Pro-DS in stock but only in 1qt bottles and at $10/qt I'll skip it.

Have a local distributer that sells to the public. They'll order any SKU Chevron has available if you place an order. Maybe check with a local distributer. It's usually cheaper to order in larger pails/containers anyway. I've never checked distributor pricing for smaller 5 or 6qt containers. 6 gallon pit packs were very reasonable for ATF though.

 

[MVAR]

Had an email exchange with Chevron about the Havoline Pro-DS 5W40. It was listed as SQ but had the higher SAPS value of the SN rated 0W40 & Euro oils.

Long story short, the PDS has been updated indicating SN rating for the 5W40 & 0W40. SQ for the rest of the Pro-DS non euro PCMO full synthetic line.

https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=518483&docFormat=PDF

 

[Dimitrius James]

8.0 on the 0w-20 is the current spec at 100c is what I am seeing ?

I think he might be referencing the "Lifelong." That one shows 9.0 at 100c for 0w-20.