Havoline Dino, 5W30, 99 Camry, 9600 Miles

[JDR15467]

Havoline Dine 5W30 w/ Puralator Filter, 9600 Miles on oil, 150k Miles on Engine, 1999 Camry with 2.2L, In service about 6 months, 35 mile one way trip to work every day with 25 miles highway and 10 stop and go.

http://s858.photobucket.com/albums/ab148/jdridens/?action=view&current=Camry.jpg&newest=1

Let me know what you think.
Thanks

 

[Scienceman]

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There!

 

[jstutz]

I would say you have a very health engine, and am very impressed on how well this oil held up over such a long interval. Heck on a top quality syn, you could probably do 15k or more. Very good as far as im concerned.

 

[Scienceman]

I think That report for reg. Dino Is EXCELLENT

It looks better than this one Iron wise.... Mobil 1 on a ford Escort. ~11,000 mi

 

[Scienceman]

Havoline Is an excellent oil!

 

[Drew99GT]

Given this is a known sludger, the TBN is near maxed out, and this vehicle calls for 7500 miles max highway driving (correctr me if I'm wrong), if it was my car, I'd cut it back to 7500 miles max. But that's me!

 

[MrMeeks]

This UOA tells me the modern conventional oils are so good that a syn. oil is not required for most engines.

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: MrMeeks
This UOA tells me the modern conventional oils are so good that a syn. oil is not required for most engines.


I wouldn't go that far. This vehicle has near perfect operating conditions. A 30 minute one way commute 5 days a week.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: MrMeeks
This UOA tells me the modern conventional oils are so good that a syn. oil is not required for most engines.


I wouldn't go that far. This vehicle has near perfect operating conditions. A 30 minute one way commute 5 days a week.

I agree some engines are by nature easy on oil then others,i could never do 10k on dino...or i should say dino could never do 10k for me.

 

[addyguy]

I do runs like this with my Cavalier, but don't get results quite this good - very nice!

This is not the only 8k+ run we've seen on Havoline dino that was very good - Havoline is a very 'consistently good' oil!

 

[Audi Junkie]

Mobil 1 Extended Performance didn't do as well...

At 7700 miles.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1914727/

Mobil 1 Extended Performance oil filter. Sample was taken with a pump, plan is to run until 10,000 and take another sample. If that sample is good, I'll make 10,000 my normal oci. There was 1/2 quart of make-up oil along the way. This is a 4 cyl 2.2 ltr Camry.

this sample universal average
Aluminum 3 3
Chromium 0 0
Iron 12 7
Copper 4 4
Lead 3 4
Tin 0 0
Molybdenum 100 59
Nickel 0 0
Manganese 0 0
Silver 0 0
Titanium 0 0
Potassium 2 1
Boron 63 40
Silicon 15 13
Sodium 7 19
Calcium 2851 2148
Mangnesium 15 60
Phosphorus 768 694
Zinc 1030 837
Barium 0 0

SUS Viscosity 60.9 should be 59-65
cSt Viscosity 10.48 should be 9.9-11.9
Flashpoint 387 should be >375
Insolubles .3 should be Fuel % Antifreeze% 0 should be 0

TBN 2.5

These low-stress computer-controlled engines tend to wear very nicely and we do think you can go 10,000 miles on the oil. Quite easily, in fact. Your metals are well proportioned and within the average range, even though you're running your oil longer than average. Go on up to 10,000 miles for the next sample and we will tell you what we think. Iron will increase with miles, but the other metals should stay steady. The TBN was 2.5, good for a longer oil run. No water, fuel, or antifreeze found. The air and oil filters are functioning nicely. Excellent engine!

 

[HTSS_TR]

This particular Camry with this driving condition of 35 miles each way to work and back is very easy on oil. Havoline is a very good oil and so are other conventional SM oils. I agree with Drew99GT, I would stay with 7-8k/6mos OCI to be safe, pushing 10-11k with dino is too much.

 

[Mokanic]

Some darling synthetics cannot do this well and they are three times the cost.

 

[mongo161]

Congrats! Nice results with the Havoline 5w30 conventional.

 

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: Mokanic
Some darling synthetics cannot do this well and they are three times the cost.


Under the exact same conditions, I'd say they'd have done at least as well. I agree that Havoline is an excellent oil, but also agree that the oil's USE has more to do with something like this than anything else. The same oil used in the same car for 9,600 miles of stop-and-go over 10 months probably wouldn't have looked nearly as good.

But given THIS service, in THIS car, the Havoline did superb. Would, say, PU or M1 perform better or worse over the SAME period in the SAME car given the SAME service? There'd be only one way to know. But given this UOA, I'm sure the owner has no interest in paying to find out (and I wouldn't either).

Nice report!

 

[Gene K]

On the 2.2L if you have done the PVC Fix it pretty well eliminates the sludge issues.

The 3.0L V6 has the same issue but unfortunately also has some internal design issues that are much harder to fix.

 

[ottotheclown]

Good point this shows you that though most have recommened shorter oci this oil held up very well. Maybe like Honda telling you that on dino with the olm going all the way that makes 8,000 not out of the question. We do have to take into account for the most part, Honda is not in the oil business therefore outlook is different IMHO. It makes sense that this would be Havoline, would like to see Mobil clean too, these are the most robust oils out there it seems.
Originally Posted By: MrMeeks
This UOA tells me the modern conventional oils are so good that a syn. oil is not required for most engines.

 

[buster]

I wonder if there would be a difference in the level of engine cleanliness between the Havoline and Mobil 1, or any conventional vs synthetic where the Tbn is still above 1.0 for either oil?

 

[ottotheclown]

As great an oil like Havoline seems, there is about $4.00 difference in cost if you buy Havoline at Advance when it is not on sale, and buying PP at Wally when it is at $ 20.50 for 5 qts. So unless dino like Havoline is better or the same as syn. in almost every area, why buy the Havoline in the first place???? just thinking out loud

 

[JDR15467]

I usually pick up Havoline for $1.99 per quart at Rural King on sale. Cost is not the reason I am using Havoline thou. I believe it is doing as good as job as needed as any other oil that I can purchase, and I perfer quarts to jugs. My Acadia takes 5 1/2 quarts which does not work out so well when I have to purchase the jugs. Plus, I refuse to venture into Walmart. I believe it takes a few months off of my live every time I do.

If you go to the same photobucket link, I have an oil report for the Acadia on PP. I am about 1 month away from having about the same amount of miles on the Acadia with the Havoline.