Havoline Better?

[Jake777]

Looking at the PQI on 5w20 Havoline really stands out why does it get so little play? and Walmart for $13.24 5 qt.

2nd highest calcium level
Matches PYB for VI
Look at that CCS -30c value
could it be try moly?
= to highest mag

http://www.pqiamerica.com/Feb2014/consolidated5w20ALL.html

 

[OneEyeJack]

Define, "better".

 

[Jake777]

one thing that jumped out to me was the CCS numbers looks solid and better than all the others at least in that position.

 

[BigD1]

I have used Havoline more than any other oil during my life time, but that was when Texaco owned the brand. It use to keep an engine pretty dang clean.

 

[Mr Nice]

Havoline does very little advertising compared to Pennzoil.

 

[Tdbo]

Availability can be an issue at times, also.

 

[gallydif]

I don't know about "better" but it is an excellent sleeper oil.

 

[AirgunSavant]

It is hard to get in my area too.
PYB is so cheap at Amazon with a subscription and the specs
are great. I switched to it for general use.

 

[bvance554]

I used to use nothing but Havoline all through the 90's. Only because it was the only oil my Dad would ever use. It had a very good reputation. Then I'm not sure what happened. I don't pay much attention to marketing or advertising so that didn't play a part, but it did seem to become harder to find, and still is. Seems to be making a resurgence though.

 

[BrocLuno]

Always been a good product. Nothing wrong with it. If you can get it for reasonable money, go for it

 

[Merkava_4]

The best oil for your engine is the one that makes the engine run smooth and quiet.
Sometimes you have to try different oils until you find that one special oil.

 

[AKhan87]

Originally Posted By: Jake777
Walmart for $13.24 5 qt.
you do realize that's the synthetic version of the Havoline right? no way is that $13.24 for 5 quartz, and why would you compare it to PYB and not PP or PU?

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Jake777
one thing that jumped out to me was the CCS numbers looks solid and better than all the others at least in that position.

Havoline and Chevron stuff is absolutely fine. It's just somewhat hard to find for some people, which is rather unfortunate.

 

[pbm]

Havoline used to be very well respected on BITOG when it was loaded with moly.
When the reformulated version showed a lot less moly, interest seemed to wane. I think Havoline is still an excellent product.

 

[wemay]

That PQIA comparison for 5W-20 is showing Havoline Synthetic vs mostly Conventionals. Havoline is fine but that comparison isn't. If you compare PQIA's testing of PYB and Havoline conventional, PYB has a much better Noack number.

 

[69GTX]

Good catch by those who noticed pquia slipped some non-conventionals into that survey. The Havoline CCS value made no sense compared to the other ones. In the same light, the PYB doesn't seem to make sense with out of this world TBN, Noack, and Moly values (noted in earlier threads on PYB). And that Valvoline sample came out horribly. It's reasonable that the PYB or VNG that you buy at the store won't test anything like these 2 results. But, who knows?

 

[wemay]

Originally Posted By: 69GTX
Good catch by those who noticed pquia slipped some non-conventionals into that survey. The Havoline CCS value made no sense compared to the other ones. In the same light, the PYB doesn't seem to make sense with out of this world TBN, Noack, and Moly values (noted in earlier threads on PYB). And that Valvoline sample came out horribly. It's reasonable that the PYB or VNG that you buy at the store won't test anything like these 2 results. But, who knows?


I agree but the answers are in step with the OP's usage of PQIA as the reference point, not the oil company's TDS.

 

[stchman]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
The best oil for your engine is the one that makes the engine run smooth and quiet.
Sometimes you have to try different oils until you find that one special oil.


In the same viscosity, there is very little to no difference in making an engine run smoother or not.

On my 5.3L engine, I have used Mobil 1, Pennzoil Platinum, and Amsoil SS, all in 5W-30. None of the oils has resulted in the engine running "smoother", they all sound the same as expected.

 

[Merkava_4]

Originally Posted By: stchman
In the same viscosity, there is very little to no difference in making an engine run smoother or not.


The only viscosity I've ever run in my car is 10W-30. The differences in terms of smoothness and noise is night and day between Quaker State synthetic and SuperTech synthetic. They're supposed to be the same viscosity, but one is definitely lubricating my engine WAY better than the other one.