Havoline 5w-20 and 5w-30 syn-blend?

[asiancivicmaniac]

So I was perusing the Havoline website and looked at the product sheet for their conventional oils. The description for the 5w-20/30 says that they're syn-blends. Is this a mistake or are they really blends?

Havoline PDS

Quote:
SAE 5W-20 provides optimum fuel economy and
durability performance. This synthetic blend engine oil,
carrying the API Resource Conserving designation, is
suitable for use in domestic and import passenger cars,
trucks and SUVs specifying this viscosity grade.


SAE 5w30 is recommended by the majority of later
model domestic and import passenger cars, trucks and
SUVs under a wide variety of weather conditions. This
synthetic blend engine oil is also suitable for use at low
temperatures involving cold starting, and for
exceptional fuel economy.

 

[daves87rs]

The truth is out.....

 

[UltrafanUK]

The syn blend part will be correct, BUT the part saying a 5w20 or 30 is recommended is kind of Iffy, as some good car companies insist on full synthetic 0w20 or 30 oils, although a few will also list 5w20 or 30's as an alternative.
If you do a lot of short tripping in winter, an 0w oil will reduce the fuel consumption slightly.

 

[Nickdfresh]

Most if not all "conventional oils" are now synthetic blends, they have to be to meet the stringent requirements of SN. The speculation is that it's just more cost effective to make a Group II & III blend as opposed to a Group II+...

 

[charbaby]

Prior to discovering BITOG, I was researching oils & filters as to their quality. I called many of the major oil companies 1-800#'s and spoke with the Tech Dept's.

I was told by one oil company in particular, on their conventional motor oils, namely 5W20 & 5W30 that, they[the oil company] needed to add some synthetic oil to those oils in particular, in order to meet specification set by the API. Even though it isn't labeled as a syn blend, most oil co's & blenders need to do this.

The only oil that I am aware of that, does infact state their oil is a syn blend (in 5W20 & 5W30)is MotorCraft. However, MotorCraft DOES NOT state that it is a conventional oil...However, MC is priced similarly to conventional oils.

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Prior to discovering BITOG, I was researching oils & filters as to their quality. I called many of the major oil companies 1-800#'s and spoke with the Tech Dept's.

I was told by one oil company in particular, on their conventional motor oils, namely 5W20 & 5W30 that, they[the oil company] needed to add some synthetic oil to those oils in particular, in order to meet specification set by the API. Even though it isn't labeled as a syn blend, most oil co's & blenders need to do this.

The only oil that I am aware of that, does infact state their oil is a syn blend (in 5W20 & 5W30)is MotorCraft. However, MotorCraft DOES NOT state that it is a conventional oil...However, MC is priced similarly to conventional oils.


Conoco-Philips blends Motorcraft and all of their base, conventional-equivalent oils are syn-blends including TropArc and Kendell...

A poster that worked for Pennzoil that no longer posts here stated a long time ago that Pennzoil/Quaker State (and probably Shell) oils were all more or less synthetic blends as they were a composite of II and III with some using II+. The current belief is that there is a glut of Group III so it's just cheaper to make a "syn-blend" and sell it as a conventional now..,

 

[vronline]

Wonder how, for instance, Pennzoil Conventional and Pz Gold compare... Is it just the synthetic content or really not much difference? Seems they've reverted to using less syn in Pennzoil Conventional as of late though...

Seems the only PZ Gold I see around here is 5w30 though, but I'm sure that's for Dexos... My car specs xw20 anyway.

 

[BigD1]

The label on a jug of Pennzoil Gold says 50 percent synthetic last time I checked.

 

[AirgunSavant]

That's great since they were just about giving it away. I have about 20 jugs of the stuff.
They also had FS at $19 a six pack- great oil and cheap. Thanks

Originally Posted By: asiancivicmaniac
So I was perusing the Havoline website and looked at the product sheet for their conventional oils. The description for the 5w-20/30 says that they're syn-blends. Is this a mistake or are they really blends?

Havoline PDS

Quote:
SAE 5W-20 provides optimum fuel economy and
durability performance. This synthetic blend engine oil,
carrying the API Resource Conserving designation, is
suitable for use in domestic and import passenger cars,
trucks and SUVs specifying this viscosity grade.


SAE 5w30 is recommended by the majority of later
model domestic and import passenger cars, trucks and
SUVs under a wide variety of weather conditions. This
synthetic blend engine oil is also suitable for use at low
temperatures involving cold starting, and for
exceptional fuel economy.

 

[asiancivicmaniac]

It's currently the most economical oil that meets Ford WSS-M2C945-A spec even though they don't state it on the bottles, so I guess I will be using it for break-in.

 

[charbaby]

Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Prior to discovering BITOG, I was researching oils & filters as to their quality. I called many of the major oil companies 1-800#'s and spoke with the Tech Dept's.

I was told by one oil company in particular, on their conventional motor oils, namely 5W20 & 5W30 that, they[the oil company] needed to add some synthetic oil to those oils in particular, in order to meet specification set by the API. Even though it isn't labeled as a syn blend, most oil co's & blenders need to do this.

The only oil that I am aware of that, does infact state their oil is a syn blend (in 5W20 & 5W30)is MotorCraft. However, MotorCraft DOES NOT state that it is a conventional oil...However, MC is priced similarly to conventional oils.


Conoco-Philips blends Motorcraft and all of their base, conventional-equivalent oils are syn-blends including TropArc and Kendell...

A poster that worked for Pennzoil that no longer posts here stated a long time ago that Pennzoil/Quaker State (and probably Shell) oils were all more or less synthetic blends as they were a composite of II and III with some using II+. The current belief is that there is a glut of Group III so it's just cheaper to make a "syn-blend" and sell it as a conventional now..,


Yes, I remember "Johnny" from a long time ago. I miss his posts!

 

[CT8]

Define syn then syn blend.