Hatco oil distributor?

[kd5byb]

Hey fellas,

I seem to recall that there was a Hatco employee or distributor here. I need to buy a 55 gallon drum of Hatcol 3212, 3214, or 1625. (This is MIL-PRF-23699 Type C/I)

Google fails to bring up any Hatco/Hatcol distributors. Would love it if the Hatco employee/distributor would drop me a PM.

thanks,
ben

 

[Johnny]

His name is Tom and he is now retired from Hatco. You can contact them here.

Hatco Corporation
Fords, New Jersey 08863
732.738.1000

 

[Tom NJ]

Hi Ben,

I am the former Hatco employee you are looking for. The aviation business at Hatco is now handled by Mike Raab - not sure of his extension but you can call the main number Johnny gave above and ask for him. If Mike is not available, ask for Sue Matika. The current 23699 C/I oil is Hatcol 3214.

Tom NJ

 

[kd5byb]

Hey Tom and Johnny,

Thanks much! After I posted above, I was able to find the Hatco/Chemtura homepage. (Also got a PM with helpful info.)

I've been in touch via e-mail with Mike Raab and Rich Katz - they have pointed me to both a local distributor as well as a larger, national distributor.

In the past we've mostly bought Mobil Jet Oil II. Now moving to C/I as that seems to be the direction things are going. We have used Hatco in the green quart cans (I keep pencils in one empty can on my desk), but those were "payback" for oil folks had "borrowed" from us.

thanks,
ben

 

[Tom NJ]

Hi Ben,

The Hatcol 3214 is a particularly good turbine oil, not because I formulated it

, but because it can do everything the STD grade can, plus rust protection and much better hydrolytic stability. It uses an advanced POE base oil. It is by far the most popular 23699 oil in the military.

Tom

 

[kd5byb]

Hi Tom,

Fantastic! Makes a lot of sense that this is the most popular 23699 - the QPL even mentions that the DoD moving to C/I for all but a few applications. Looking at the QPL, looks like Hatco is the main source for C/I 23699. Looks like pretty much everyone else rebrands Hatcol...

Speaking of C/I, being the curious little devil I am, I called up NAVAIR and probably talked with one or two of the folks you probably know from the early days of formulating C/I. We're moving to it without hesitation.

Got a few quotes today on drums of it - I chuckled to myself, as on a per quart basis, it costs more than AMSOIL! Of course, so do the engines we feed this stuff too.

And big kudos to the NAVAIR folks, it took but two phone calls to get referred to the knowledgeable folks there. That's pretty amazing.

later,
b

 

[Tom NJ]

Hi Ben,

These oils are 95% POE - they will certainly be expensive, especially for a small order of only a few drums. But at the high temperatures of jet turbine engines, nothing else will work - or even come close.

I agree the guys at NAVAIR are first class!

TomNJ

 

[kd5byb]

Hi Tom,

I completely agree! My chuckle was becuase I was thinking how loud the people who compain about AMSOIL's price would complain about 23699! Almost $14 a quart when bought in a 55 gallon drum commercially. (I think we've discovered that supply has it for about half the cost - whoo hooo!)

Yet, we use about 7 or 8 quarts to fill a T700, which is a more or less $1M engine when fully dressed with HMU, DEC, etc... Looking at the cost of the engine, putting in over $100 of oil ain't nothin'. Also, it will burn $100 of JP-8 in 10 or 15 minutes if she's wide open.

later,
b

 

[Tom NJ]

$14/quart - holy cow!! Then again you are buying a single drum through a distributor. It doesn't surprise me that DGSC would be half the price given the volume they buy.

Tom NJ

 

[Fuelman]

What are you guys using this in, fleet service folks for corporate jets?
I buy some hatco basestock products for my formulations and have been seriously impressed with them, although very expensive.
Over the years I've dealt mostly with Richard Kelley, very nice guy.

 

[kd5byb]

Originally Posted By: Fuelman
What are you guys using this in, fleet service folks for corporate jets?


Nope, not corporate - military turbo-shaft engines and some associated turbo-machinery that requires MIL-PRF-23699.

We've been quite happy with both Mobil Jet Oil II as well as Hatco 23699 type C/I. Both are pricey, but then again, what's $13 a quart when the engine is close to a million bucks?

later,
b