Hard To Beat Meguiar's Ultimate Wax !

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: Chris B.
Originally Posted By: Warstud
The same two instigators are gonna get this thread locked too.


I'm sorry man! I stop for long periods of time to avoid this stuff. Grampi just keeps on with his misinformation. I'm going to call him on it like I have for years. I stop when he stops. I already made peace with him and we agreed to bury the hatchet and 2 or 3 years later he is still posting his junk.


That's another thing I don't do, but you do...take it personal...

 

[Chris B.]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Chris B.
Originally Posted By: Warstud
The same two instigators are gonna get this thread locked too.


I'm sorry man! I stop for long periods of time to avoid this stuff. Grampi just keeps on with his misinformation. I'm going to call him on it like I have for years. I stop when he stops. I already made peace with him and we agreed to bury the hatchet and 2 or 3 years later he is still posting his junk.


That's another thing I don't do, but you do...take it personal...


I dont take it personal. Like I said, I will speak up when I see false information and myths being posted. You keep spreading false information about NuFinish. You tell people your opinion as if they are facts and you mislead people. You insist NF does not last at all and that is false. Myself and many others on her have found it to be very long lasting. Like Warstud stated in this thread that he liked it and it lasts for him and you come in and say, and I quote "It doesn't last that long" after he found it to and stated it does. Why can't you just say "great, I'm glad it works well for you. I did not like it though"? You jump in and bash NF every time it is mentioned on this forum. Like I mentioned before, if you would state it like "I do not care for it and had bad luck with it" I would not bat an eye and could care less. But the way you jump on ever single person who states they like NF or that is lasts, with one of your standard "it can't be because NF is junk and DOES NOT LAST for more then 10 minutes" comments gets old. When you stop insisting to everyone "it doesn't last that long", I'll stop getting on your case. Now before you go and say "well you do the same thing and say NF is the best", I only do so to counter you when I see it. I'm not in EVERY SINGLE thread or comment trying to trash a product like you are. You are the one who can't give it a rest. STOP insisting to everyone it is junk and has no durability and let people decide for them selves. Many people have already decided it is good stuff and you still insist to them it is not just like Warstud. People come here to learn and you are not helping them by doing the above.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted By: Warstud
The same two instigators are gonna get this thread locked too.

Sounds like that's a goal for those two...
Originally Posted By: Trav
That's just your option. You want people to prove something is better than the Meguiar', why don't you prove it is better than S100 and P21S and show us you are not just some fan boy blowing smoke up our backsides.

S100 and P215 are actually pretty good products...harder to use apply than Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid...and don't last as long...but pretty good products.

People keep bringing up different products using different ways to compare. The Meguiar's conversation and comparison criteria have been consistent.

The naysayers are comparing apples to oranges...and having used more than 15 products (including those you named) for comparison...it's already proven here. There are also countless comparisons online showing it, as well as numerous ratings agreeing...plenty of people get it...but a few don't...but that's OK.

No one has disproved the original poster's statements, and people will believe what they want.


His statement has no proof behind it either its his opinion, end of story. I have tried Meguiar's products over the years and for the most part am not very impressed with them, their compounds are either way too aggressive or almost useless with a seemingly number of endless steps in between they are 100% consumer grade products, their waxes are little better than mediocre at best, the old Gold class paste was good.
I don't use liquid waxes but if I were to use one on a older DD it would be NF, its cheap, cleans well on tired paint and it last.

No it doesn't fir the criteria of the self proclaimed detailing experts who insist on fancy name boutique stuff most of which is useless short lived products anyway but it cost a lot and has names that are very arts and croissant crowd pleasing but NF works fine despite its Walmrt price.

 

[HYUNDAIFAN0001]

Originally Posted By: Trav
I don't use liquid waxes but if I were to use one on a older DD it would be NF, its cheap, cleans well on tired paint and it last.

No it doesn't fir the criteria of the self proclaimed detailing experts who insist on fancy name boutique stuff most of which is useless short lived products anyway but it cost a lot and has names that are very arts and croissant crowd pleasing but NF works fine despite its Walmrt price.

What a bizarre comparison - NuFinish to Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid (which you admitted you've never actually used, despite the Meguiar's Liquid product being the subject of this thread).

Kinda like comparing Kmart tires to Pirelli tires. They're both round and work on a car...but that's nearly all they have in common.

It's somewhat surprising how little some folks know about the chemistry of car wax & sealant products, but will not hesitate to slap on any old cheap stuff on their vehicle if it seems to make it shiny. Much has changed since the 1950's and their lacquer and enamel paints, especially with the introduction of clear-coat - polymers now provide the best and most lasting protection to vehicle exteriors. Some folks put waxes on top, even though their shiny appearance improvements are short-lived/temporary.

Oh well...enjoy.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: Chris B.
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Chris B.
Originally Posted By: Warstud
The same two instigators are gonna get this thread locked too.


I'm sorry man! I stop for long periods of time to avoid this stuff. Grampi just keeps on with his misinformation. I'm going to call him on it like I have for years. I stop when he stops. I already made peace with him and we agreed to bury the hatchet and 2 or 3 years later he is still posting his junk.


That's another thing I don't do, but you do...take it personal...


I dont take it personal. Like I said, I will speak up when I see false information and myths being posted. You keep spreading false information about NuFinish. You tell people your opinion as if they are facts and you mislead people. You insist NF does not last at all and that is false. Myself and many others on her have found it to be very long lasting. Like Warstud stated in this thread that he liked it and it lasts for him and you come in and say, and I quote "It doesn't last that long" after he found it to and stated it does. Why can't you just say "great, I'm glad it works well for you. I did not like it though"? You jump in and bash NF every time it is mentioned on this forum. Like I mentioned before, if you would state it like "I do not care for it and had bad luck with it" I would not bat an eye and could care less. But the way you jump on ever single person who states they like NF or that is lasts, with one of your standard "it can't be because NF is junk and DOES NOT LAST for more then 10 minutes" comments gets old. When you stop insisting to everyone "it doesn't last that long", I'll stop getting on your case. Now before you go and say "well you do the same thing and say NF is the best", I only do so to counter you when I see it. I'm not in EVERY SINGLE thread or comment trying to trash a product like you are. You are the one who can't give it a rest. STOP insisting to everyone it is junk and has no durability and let people decide for them selves. Many people have already decided it is good stuff and you still insist to them it is not just like Warstud. People come here to learn and you are not helping them by doing the above.


As always you exaggerate everything to make a point. I'm not posting misinformation, I'm posting my results. My results were that NF doesn't last even close to the length of time as claimed on the bottle, or by many of those who use it. My claim is there are many other products that will outlast it. My claims are there are many other products that are easier to use, and don't leave white residue or stain trim. My claims have been backed up by many other people in this forum, yet you accuse me of making outrageous claims. You are a walking, talking billboard advertising for NF. That's great if that's your cause, but why are you so bitter towards people who haven't had the same experience with the product as you have? I don't like it, if you and others do, great, but I'm not going to keep my mouth shut about it just because telling my view of the product annoys you. That's not misinformation, it just happens to be a different take on the product than you have. If you can't deal with that, then that's your problem...

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted By: Trav
I don't use liquid waxes but if I were to use one on a older DD it would be NF, its cheap, cleans well on tired paint and it last.

No it doesn't fir the criteria of the self proclaimed detailing experts who insist on fancy name boutique stuff most of which is useless short lived products anyway but it cost a lot and has names that are very arts and croissant crowd pleasing but NF works fine despite its Walmrt price.

What a bizarre comparison - NuFinish to Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid (which you admitted you've never actually used, despite the Meguiar's Liquid product being the subject of this thread).

Kinda like comparing Kmart tires to Pirelli tires. They're both round and work on a car...but that's nearly all they have in common.

It's somewhat surprising how little some folks know about the chemistry of car wax & sealant products, but will not hesitate to slap on any old cheap stuff on their vehicle if it seems to make it shiny. Much has changed since the 1950's and their lacquer and enamel paints, especially with the introduction of clear-coat - polymers now provide the best and most lasting protection to vehicle exteriors. Some folks put waxes on top, even though their shiny appearance improvements are short-lived/temporary.

Oh well...enjoy.


Stop peddling the over priced stuff man, its no better despite all the hype and price. To me the Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid isn't very good at all. I would say it doesn't come close to NF, now that's bizarre.

 

[Chris B.]

Originally Posted By: HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted By: Trav
I don't use liquid waxes but if I were to use one on a older DD it would be NF, its cheap, cleans well on tired paint and it last.

No it doesn't fir the criteria of the self proclaimed detailing experts who insist on fancy name boutique stuff most of which is useless short lived products anyway but it cost a lot and has names that are very arts and croissant crowd pleasing but NF works fine despite its Walmrt price.

What a bizarre comparison - NuFinish to Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid (which you admitted you've never actually used, despite the Meguiar's Liquid product being the subject of this thread).

Kinda like comparing Kmart tires to Pirelli tires. They're both round and work on a car...but that's nearly all they have in common.

It's somewhat surprising how little some folks know about the chemistry of car wax & sealant products, but will not hesitate to slap on any old cheap stuff on their vehicle if it seems to make it shiny. Much has changed since the 1950's and their lacquer and enamel paints, especially with the introduction of clear-coat - polymers now provide the best and most lasting protection to vehicle exteriors. Some folks put waxes on top, even though their shiny appearance improvements are short-lived/temporary.

Oh well...enjoy.


You do realize Trav is probably the most knowledgeable person on this forum, right? He has more paint and body work experience and mechanical experience then everyone combined. I was recommending NF before BITOG existed but when I saw people like Trav were saying the same thing I realized I was using good products and giving good advice on the forum.

 

[Chris B.]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted By: Trav
I don't use liquid waxes but if I were to use one on a older DD it would be NF, its cheap, cleans well on tired paint and it last.

No it doesn't fir the criteria of the self proclaimed detailing experts who insist on fancy name boutique stuff most of which is useless short lived products anyway but it cost a lot and has names that are very arts and croissant crowd pleasing but NF works fine despite its Walmrt price.

What a bizarre comparison - NuFinish to Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid (which you admitted you've never actually used, despite the Meguiar's Liquid product being the subject of this thread).

Kinda like comparing Kmart tires to Pirelli tires. They're both round and work on a car...but that's nearly all they have in common.

It's somewhat surprising how little some folks know about the chemistry of car wax & sealant products, but will not hesitate to slap on any old cheap stuff on their vehicle if it seems to make it shiny. Much has changed since the 1950's and their lacquer and enamel paints, especially with the introduction of clear-coat - polymers now provide the best and most lasting protection to vehicle exteriors. Some folks put waxes on top, even though their shiny appearance improvements are short-lived/temporary.

Oh well...enjoy.


Stop peddling the over priced stuff man, its no better despite all the hype and price. To me the Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid isn't very good at all. I would say it doesn't come close to NF, now that's bizarre.



EXACTLY! You know he will make some excuse explaining how the Megs is actually showing the better performance. I have used so many different waxes/sealants I can't count them! Nearly all of them fail to bead like NF or have the same level of durability of NF. Some do like Duragloss but most fail. I defend it because I get sick of these detail snobs who never even try it talk [censored]. How many times have I(and others) asked to put up or shut up and show their own testing? They never deliver and just keep posting garbage.

 

[HYUNDAIFAN0001]

Originally Posted By: Chris B.
You do realize Trav is probably the most knowledgeable person on this forum, right? He has more paint and body work experience and mechanical experience then everyone combined. I was recommending NF before BITOG existed but when I saw people like Trav were saying the same thing I realized I was using good products and giving good advice on the forum.

That's somewhat scary. Then I suspect he would know "better than anyone" that automotive paint, exterior coatings, and car protection products (and their chemistry) have changed considerably since Nu Finish came out about 40 years ago. One of my 20+ year friends owns a car rental office, a car detailing company (mobile), and a collision repair company - he'd tell you to avoid using NuFinish altogether (and has told many people). Guess the experts even disagree sometimes.

Originally Posted By: Trav
Stop peddling the over priced stuff man, its no better despite all the hype and price. To me the Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid isn't very good at all. I would say it doesn't come close to NF, now that's bizarre.

FAKE NEWS ALERT! (aka snake-oil peddlers of NuFinish water-beading silliness) continue to go out of their way to promote their nonsense in yet another topic thread.

Luckily...many of us that have actually used these products clearly understand the differences and Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid's superior results (without all the problems from NF) know better. The fact that Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid - you know...the topic of this thread - costs less than $1 per entire-vehicle application underscores the illegitimacy of the "overpriced" post claim. Fact is the price difference per application between the two products amounts to about 30-35 cents - at least some of us consider our vehicles worth that whopping "overpriced" difference.

Furthermore, the fact that Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid rated (by scores of actual user surveys) and numerous respected auto detailing product reviewers as the top, or one of the top 2-3 products - and does NOT have the NF well-documented problems with excess application dust, difficulty in product application/removal, and excessive problems on dark trim.

Hopefully any newbies looking to learn about legitimately maintaining the exterior of their vehicles don't get grossly misled by the NF propaganda from the same few people over and over and over. That kind of nonsense grossly undermines all the useful information from informed posters here, as well as the great value of this website regarding a variety of topics.

 

[Trav]

I wouldn't use on new paint as it is slightly abrasive and you do have to be careful around black trim but that being said for a daily driver that lives outside NF is great stuff. It does survive the harsh NE winters and pretty well too.
Sometimes the cheapest product work better than over priced target market products. JMO

 

[Chris B.]

Originally Posted By: grampi


As always you exaggerate everything to make a point. I'm not posting misinformation, I'm posting my results. My results were that NF doesn't last even close to the length of time as claimed on the bottle, or by many of those who use it. My claim is there are many other products that will outlast it. My claims are there are many other products that are easier to use, and don't leave white residue or stain trim. My claims have been backed up by many other people in this forum, yet you accuse me of making outrageous claims. You are a walking, talking billboard advertising for NF. That's great if that's your cause, but why are you so bitter towards people who haven't had the same experience with the product as you have? I don't like it, if you and others do, great, but I'm not going to keep my mouth shut about it just because telling my view of the product annoys you. That's not misinformation, it just happens to be a different take on the product than you have. If you can't deal with that, then that's your problem...


You didn't even read what I said or you are to dense to understand. We are not talking about how easy or hard it is to use or how it leaves white powder all over or how it can stain black trim. We are talking about DURABILITY and how long it lasts. You are not stating your findings, you insist to EVERYONE posts they like NF that is will not and does not last. It is the equivalent of trying to insist the bottle is blue and not orange. NF user: "hey NF lasts a full 9-12 months for me in FL and the bottle is orange". Grampi: "that is impossible because it does not last and the bottle is blue...you are wrong". Those type of statements are what I have a problem with. You post like this all the time that is why I'm right behind you clearing the air for members who may not know better.
Post your opinion all you want and you wont hear from me again but keep making false statements like you always do and insist NF users are wrong, mislead members I'll be right back at it when I see your garbage. One thing I will not stand for is the continuation of "myths" and bad information. Car forums are pretty bad and gun forums are even worse! *****!

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted By: Trav
Stop peddling the over priced stuff man, its no better despite all the hype and price. To me the Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid isn't very good at all. I would say it doesn't come close to NF, now that's bizarre.

FAKE NEWS ALERT! (aka snake-oil peddlers of NuFinish water-beading silliness) continue to go out of their way to promote their nonsense in yet another topic thread.

Luckily...many of us that have actually used these products clearly understand the differences and Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid's superior results (without all the problems from NF) know better. The fact that Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid - you know...the topic of this thread - costs less than $1 per entire-vehicle application underscores the illegitimacy of the "overpriced" post claim. Fact is the price difference per application between the two products amounts to about 30-35 cents - at least some of us consider our vehicles worth that whopping "overpriced" difference.

Furthermore, the fact that Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid rated (by scores of actual user surveys) and numerous respected auto detailing product reviewers as the top, or one of the top 2-3 products - and does NOT have the NF well-documented problems with excess application dust, difficulty in product application/removal, and excessive problems on dark trim.

Hopefully any newbies looking to learn about legitimately maintaining the exterior of their vehicles don't get grossly misled by the NF propaganda from the same few people over and over and over. That kind of nonsense grossly undermines all the useful information from informed posters here, as well as the great value of this website regarding a variety of topics.


Gimme a break. That stuff doesn't even sheet never mind bead. What makes your opinion any mover valid than anyone else's? Your deep understanding of car waxes or what?
NF has been around over 40 years and still selling strong so it cant be as bad as you claim.

 

[Chris B.]

Originally Posted By: HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted By: Chris B.
You do realize Trav is probably the most knowledgeable person on this forum, right? He has more paint and body work experience and mechanical experience then everyone combined. I was recommending NF before BITOG existed but when I saw people like Trav were saying the same thing I realized I was using good products and giving good advice on the forum.

That's scary. Car protection products have changed since 1947. Guess that "old dog and new tricks" thing can still apply in some cases.

Originally Posted By: Trav
Stop peddling the over priced stuff man, its no better despite all the hype and price. To me the Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid isn't very good at all. I would say it doesn't come close to NF, now that's bizarre.

FAKE NEWS ALERT! (aka snake-oil peddlers of NuFinish water-beading silliness) continue to go out of their way to promote their nonsense in yet another topic thread.

Luckily...many of us that have actually used these products clearly understand the differences and Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid's superior results (without all the problems from NF) know better. The fact that Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid - you know...the topic of this thread - costs less than $1 per entire-vehicle application underscores the illegitimacy of the "overpriced" post claim. Fact is the price difference per application between the two products amounts to about 30-35 cents - at least some of us consider our vehicles worth that whopping "overpriced" difference.

Furthermore, the fact that Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid rated (by scores of actual user surveys) and numerous respected auto detailing product reviewers as the top, or one of the top 2-3 products - and does NOT have the NF well-documented problems with excess application dust, difficulty in product application/removal, and excessive problems on dark trim.

Hopefully any newbies looking to learn about legitimately maintaining the exterior of their vehicles don't get grossly misled by the NF propaganda from the same few people over and over and over. That kind of nonsense grossly undermines all the useful information from informed posters here, as well as the great value of this website regarding a variety of topics.


You do realize NF has been reformulated over the years, right? It is a modern polymer sealant. You just posted above that is is not so it shows your ignorance. Your water beading/sheeting comments also show how uninformed you are. Remember when you said all paint beads really well with out wax so beading/sheeting means noting? Then I showed you pictures of numerous vehicles both new and old during a rain storm and not one single vehicle was beading water? All the vehicles has flat water except the one that was waxed and was beading great. These are my co-workers vehicles and non have been waxed except my gray Honda. The red F150 is new by the way. Remember:

So much dumb [censored] comes out of your mouth....how old are you? Have you even waxed or sealed a car? You post more dumb [censored] then anyone on here.

 

[HYUNDAIFAN0001]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Gimme a break. That stuff doesn't even sheet never mind bead. What makes your opinion any mover valid than anyone else's? Your deep understanding of car waxes or what?
NF has been around over 40 years and still selling strong so it cant be as bad as you claim.


WOW - just WOW.

Come on over sometime - I'll gladly show you how blatantly false that statement is presenting at least 6 vehicles as proof.

This pic was taken this past Sunday (with a car phone camera no less) of the hood of my wife's 2013 Honda Accord..with just one treatment -ever - (applied more than 3 months ago) using Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid. Not only does it bead extremely well...the water actually runs right off quickly.

Mike Drop.

 

[Chris B.]

Originally Posted By: Trav
I wouldn't use on new paint as it is slightly abrasive and you do have to be careful around black trim but that being said for a daily driver that lives outside NF is great stuff. It does survive the harsh NE winters and pretty well too.
Sometimes the cheapest product work better than over priced target market products. JMO


Trav,
NF is not abrasive any longer and hasent been for a long time(liquid version). This 1997 Sierra has had a coat twice a year for 20 years and the paint is close to mint. It wont harm new paint(liquid version).

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: Chris B.
Originally Posted By: grampi


As always you exaggerate everything to make a point. I'm not posting misinformation, I'm posting my results. My results were that NF doesn't last even close to the length of time as claimed on the bottle, or by many of those who use it. My claim is there are many other products that will outlast it. My claims are there are many other products that are easier to use, and don't leave white residue or stain trim. My claims have been backed up by many other people in this forum, yet you accuse me of making outrageous claims. You are a walking, talking billboard advertising for NF. That's great if that's your cause, but why are you so bitter towards people who haven't had the same experience with the product as you have? I don't like it, if you and others do, great, but I'm not going to keep my mouth shut about it just because telling my view of the product annoys you. That's not misinformation, it just happens to be a different take on the product than you have. If you can't deal with that, then that's your problem...


You didn't even read what I said or you are to dense to understand. We are not talking about how easy or hard it is to use or how it leaves white powder all over or how it can stain black trim. We are talking about DURABILITY and how long it lasts. You are not stating your findings, you insist to EVERYONE posts they like NF that is will not and does not last. It is the equivalent of trying to insist the bottle is blue and not orange. NF user: "hey NF lasts a full 9-12 months for me in FL and the bottle is orange". Grampi: "that is impossible because it does not last and the bottle is blue...you are wrong". Those type of statements are what I have a problem with. You post like this all the time that is why I'm right behind you clearing the air for members who may not know better.
Post your opinion all you want and you wont hear from me again but keep making false statements like you always do and insist NF users are wrong, mislead members I'll be right back at it when I see your garbage. One thing I will not stand for is the continuation of "myths" and bad information. Car forums are pretty bad and gun forums are even worse! *****!



I will sum up my reply to you in one question; there are products that do everything better than NF, so why even bother with it at all?

 

[Chris B.]

Originally Posted By: HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted By: Trav
Gimme a break. That stuff doesn't even sheet never mind bead. What makes your opinion any mover valid than anyone else's? Your deep understanding of car waxes or what?
NF has been around over 40 years and still selling strong so it cant be as bad as you claim.


WOW - just WOW.

Come on over sometime - I'll gladly show you how blatantly false that statement is presenting at least 6 vehicles as proof.

This pic was taken this past Sunday (with a car phone camera no less) of the hood of my wife's 2013 Honda Accord..with just one treatment -ever - (applied more than 3 months ago) using Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid. Not only does it bead extremely well...the water actually runs right off quickly.

Mike Drop.

"mike drop" *****!!!
I'd say the dudes video shows a much more clear picture but you dont even acknowledge it *****!. A direct comparison. I'll be doing a long term test here soon with some of the top products and will post results as time goes one.

 

[HYUNDAIFAN0001]

Originally Posted By: Chris B.
[A direct comparison. I'll be doing a long term test here soon with some of the top products and will post results as time goes one.

Waiting with baited breath...

 

[Chris B.]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Chris B.
Originally Posted By: grampi


As always you exaggerate everything to make a point. I'm not posting misinformation, I'm posting my results. My results were that NF doesn't last even close to the length of time as claimed on the bottle, or by many of those who use it. My claim is there are many other products that will outlast it. My claims are there are many other products that are easier to use, and don't leave white residue or stain trim. My claims have been backed up by many other people in this forum, yet you accuse me of making outrageous claims. You are a walking, talking billboard advertising for NF. That's great if that's your cause, but why are you so bitter towards people who haven't had the same experience with the product as you have? I don't like it, if you and others do, great, but I'm not going to keep my mouth shut about it just because telling my view of the product annoys you. That's not misinformation, it just happens to be a different take on the product than you have. If you can't deal with that, then that's your problem...


You didn't even read what I said or you are to dense to understand. We are not talking about how easy or hard it is to use or how it leaves white powder all over or how it can stain black trim. We are talking about DURABILITY and how long it lasts. You are not stating your findings, you insist to EVERYONE posts they like NF that is will not and does not last. It is the equivalent of trying to insist the bottle is blue and not orange. NF user: "hey NF lasts a full 9-12 months for me in FL and the bottle is orange". Grampi: "that is impossible because it does not last and the bottle is blue...you are wrong". Those type of statements are what I have a problem with. You post like this all the time that is why I'm right behind you clearing the air for members who may not know better.
Post your opinion all you want and you wont hear from me again but keep making false statements like you always do and insist NF users are wrong, mislead members I'll be right back at it when I see your garbage. One thing I will not stand for is the continuation of "myths" and bad information. Car forums are pretty bad and gun forums are even worse! *****!



I will sum up my reply to you in one question; there are products that do everything better than NF, so why even bother with it at all?


YES!!! I can agree with that statement! I know there are better products and I have used them. NF is still near the top as far as durability goes and the products that do out perform it are by a small margin. some would say it is worth the upgrade and some would not. In the end it is a good product in a sea of good and bad.

 

[Chris B.]

Originally Posted By: HYUNDAIFAN0001
Originally Posted By: Chris B.
[A direct comparison. I'll be doing a long term test here soon with some of the top products and will post results as time goes one.

Waiting with baited breath...


Come over to my shop and we can run it together. I give you my word it will be fair and honest.