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Well last I checked this was what is in M1 0W40:

The unused lubricant was found to contain a complex mixture of alpha olefins, several specific alkyl diphenylamines, a complex mix of C26H40 alkyl naphthalenes, 4,4′-methylene-bis(2,6-di-tert-butylphenol), and a range of alkanoate esters of 1,1,1-tris(hydroxymethyl)propane (1,1,1-TMP) (Fig. 2).


It's amazing what is posted on the internet.

The paper is dated 2006 and is titled: "IN SITU LUBRICANT DEGRADATION IN ANTARCTIC MARINE SEDIMENTS. 1. SHORT-TERM CHANGES"

http://www.setacjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1897%2F05-015R.1&ct=1

The purpose of this study was ecological in nature. They measured/identified the base oils in two oils, Mobil 1 0W-40 and Fuchs Titan GT1. I'll just highlight the M1 findings.
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The unused lubricant was found to contain a complex mixture of alpha olefins, several specific alkyl diphenylamines, a complex mix of C26H40 alkyl naphthalenes, 4,4′-methylene-bis(2,6-di-tert-butylphenol), and a range of alkanoate esters of 1,1,1-tris(hydroxymethyl)propane (1,1,1-TMP) (Fig. 2).


If that's Greek to you, that means multiple PAO base oils, multiple alkylated napthalenes (Group V oil), and multiple TMP esters.

The butylphenol mentioned in the quote is an antioxidant, not a base oil.

That's a very nice base oil mixture which is no surprise because the specs that this oil meets are some of the toughest to meet. So there we have it, Mobil 1 0W-40 uses a Group IV/V mixture.

This was origanaly posted in a thread on this site. I got in trouble for reposting this thread because I guess some guys acted poorly and it was locked. I had no idea youc ould not re-post locked threads. So I went into the thread which I had to dig through like 85 pages to find again. This is just the information and not of the bad stuff that got the thread locked!

I know this is kind of old but M1 0W40 has been in continued production and use by the same OEM's since it's inception! It has not suffered the many reformulations we ahve seen with the rest of the stuff. Their was no need and this oil was built specificly for Mercedes Benz to begin with so it is likelynot to have changed. We know that they switched the rest of the oils over to AN in place of ester's but I think they kept them in the 0W40! It is the ester content that allows them to make the claim on the web page that it cleans sludge and varnish out of engines left behind from other oils! Take out the ester's and this oil would not be able to clean anything out!

So I respectfuly disagree with Doug Hillary on this matter! M1 0W40 does have ester's in it. We have zero proof or reason for a formula change in fact this product has been the most consistent with it's behavior since they brought it to market! I think that is due to them leaving it alone!
 
Hi,
JohnBrowning - You said:
"So I respectfuly disagree with Doug Hillary on this matter! M1 0W40 does have ester's in it."

Disagree? - I have always said that there is an ester content in M1 0W-40 (read the Redline thread) as there is in Delvac 1 5W-40 that I use
 
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
JohnBrowning - You said:
"So I respectfuly disagree with Doug Hillary on this matter! M1 0W40 does have ester's in it."

Disagree? - I have always said that there is an ester content in M1 0W-40 (read the Redline thread) as there is in Delvac 1 5W-40 that I use



With regards to esters, Doug, do you know offhand if there is any in Esso XD-3 0W40?
If there is in Delvac1 5W40, then there is probably in the new Delvac1 ESP 0W40...
 
Hi,
D-Roc - I can't say for sure but I believe it has

Similarly to Delvac 1 this is one reason why both lubricants are very tolerant of what some say are high soot levels

The problem with XoM is that there are many variations on the M1 theme - fewer of course under the Delvac banner because of its Commercial market place

I would use XD3 - OW-40 in a flash but it has never been available here in OZ
 
Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
Well last I checked this was what is in M1 0W40:

The unused lubricant was found to contain a complex mixture of alpha olefins, several specific alkyl diphenylamines, a complex mix of C26H40 alkyl naphthalenes, 4,4′-methylene-bis(2,6-di-tert-butylphenol), and a range of alkanoate esters of 1,1,1-tris(hydroxymethyl)propane (1,1,1-TMP) (Fig. 2).


It's amazing what is posted on the internet.

The paper is dated 2006 and is titled: "IN SITU LUBRICANT DEGRADATION IN ANTARCTIC MARINE SEDIMENTS. 1. SHORT-TERM CHANGES"

http://www.setacjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1897%2F05-015R.1&ct=1

The purpose of this study was ecological in nature. They measured/identified the base oils in two oils, Mobil 1 0W-40 and Fuchs Titan GT1. I'll just highlight the M1 findings.
Quote:
The unused lubricant was found to contain a complex mixture of alpha olefins, several specific alkyl diphenylamines, a complex mix of C26H40 alkyl naphthalenes, 4,4′-methylene-bis(2,6-di-tert-butylphenol), and a range of alkanoate esters of 1,1,1-tris(hydroxymethyl)propane (1,1,1-TMP) (Fig. 2).


If that's Greek to you, that means multiple PAO base oils, multiple alkylated napthalenes (Group V oil), and multiple TMP esters.

The butylphenol mentioned in the quote is an antioxidant, not a base oil.

That's a very nice base oil mixture which is no surprise because the specs that this oil meets are some of the toughest to meet. So there we have it, Mobil 1 0W-40 uses a Group IV/V mixture.

This was origanaly posted in a thread on this site. I got in trouble for reposting this thread because I guess some guys acted poorly and it was locked. I had no idea youc ould not re-post locked threads. So I went into the thread which I had to dig through like 85 pages to find again. This is just the information and not of the bad stuff that got the thread locked!

I know this is kind of old but M1 0W40 has been in continued production and use by the same OEM's since it's inception! It has not suffered the many reformulations we ahve seen with the rest of the stuff. Their was no need and this oil was built specificly for Mercedes Benz to begin with so it is likelynot to have changed. We know that they switched the rest of the oils over to AN in place of ester's but I think they kept them in the 0W40! It is the ester content that allows them to make the claim on the web page that it cleans sludge and varnish out of engines left behind from other oils! Take out the ester's and this oil would not be able to clean anything out!

So I respectfuly disagree with Doug Hillary on this matter! M1 0W40 does have ester's in it. We have zero proof or reason for a formula change in fact this product has been the most consistent with it's behavior since they brought it to market! I think that is due to them leaving it alone!


John,

Thanks for digging this info out. It's nice to be able to see hard data. I don't recall ever reading a thread where something isn't disputed?

Looks like those crazy BITOGers from Zuffenhausen have been right all along.
 
Thanks for the comments again, Doug. And thanks to JohnBrowning for the info...M1 0W40 would be my choice in a gasser.
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It's interesting to see how much it hasn't changed...unlike many other choices out there today.
 
I've been eyeballing M1's 0w40 for my subaru for a while now. Just another 50k km to go for my current stash to run out. Pretty oil for sure.
 
Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
Well last I checked this was what is in M1 0W40:...

That was my thread that you posted a link to at the start of this thread.
You may have missed the discovery in my thread that the version of M1 0W-40 that was analyzed was the Tri-synthetic version, which has long since been replaced by the Supersyn version in the U.S.
Current MSDSs for Mobil 1 0W-40 for Japan or Korea (I can't recall which, but I made a thread about it) show a high concentration of Group III content. I'm fine with that but I mention it because it shows a major base-oil formulation change from the Tri-synthetic version.
Also, your post that I partially quoted in this post mixed my post in the other thread with your own words, without any discrimination between the two. I just wanted to make that clear to lessen the already significant confusion that's in this thread.
 
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