Go For Windows 7 or Windows 8.1?
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
Seems to me one of the big promoters of 'open source' and free software went down to Cuba and had a lot of nice stuff to say about Castro and Castro's Cuba. There sure is a lot of freedom there, right?
I'm a big fan of open source and I'm one of those far right wing radical TEA party types. What now?
Seems to me one of the big promoters of 'open source' and free software went down to Cuba and had a lot of nice stuff to say about Castro and Castro's Cuba. There sure is a lot of freedom there, right?
I'm a big fan of open source and I'm one of those far right wing radical TEA party types. What now?
That is a good choice. Supposedly Windows 9 is going to be good although you never know. But if Windows 9 is no good Windows 7 will probably be supported until I hear something like 2020. Microsoft has no choice but to support Windows 7. Too many people use it and Windows 8/8.1 did not become popular like they hoped.
Microsoft has a tendency to come out with a junk operating system, and then a very good one, and then another junky one, and another good one.
I am using Windows 8.1.1 and I like it. With Start8 it runs pretty good. Microsoft really went goofy for a while not supporting desktop operating systems, of which there are still hundreds of millions in the world running Windows. But the executives who made those decisions are gone from Microsoft I believe. Failure means goodbye.
Microsoft has a tendency to come out with a junk operating system, and then a very good one, and then another junky one, and another good one.
I am using Windows 8.1.1 and I like it. With Start8 it runs pretty good. Microsoft really went goofy for a while not supporting desktop operating systems, of which there are still hundreds of millions in the world running Windows. But the executives who made those decisions are gone from Microsoft I believe. Failure means goodbye.
I am okay with you being a big fan of open source. It is a free country, unlike Castro's Cuba where a certain big shot open source guy who talks about freedom all the time praised a brutal dictator. Use whatever you want to use. If it works for you, that is what you should use.
Windows works for me. Is that okay with you?
If I get rid of my iMac I might buy a cheap Linux O/S computer just for the internet. What do you think of that? It is all just technology. I looked at a cheap little Linux O/S computer fairly recently at a computer store where I live where they build Windows gaming computers.
I don't know how old you are but I tried out a SuSE Linux O/S years ago. I seriously considered switching to Linux until I found out it would not work for me.
Right now I own a Windows computer and an iMac. Do I really seem like the closed mind Windows guy?
I use what works for ME and I dislike some of these people who talk about freedom when it comes to software but have no problem with a dictator who runs a brutal restrictive country.
And I attended a TEA Party rally and I liked it. What now?
Windows works for me. Is that okay with you?
If I get rid of my iMac I might buy a cheap Linux O/S computer just for the internet. What do you think of that? It is all just technology. I looked at a cheap little Linux O/S computer fairly recently at a computer store where I live where they build Windows gaming computers.
I don't know how old you are but I tried out a SuSE Linux O/S years ago. I seriously considered switching to Linux until I found out it would not work for me.
Right now I own a Windows computer and an iMac. Do I really seem like the closed mind Windows guy?
I use what works for ME and I dislike some of these people who talk about freedom when it comes to software but have no problem with a dictator who runs a brutal restrictive country.
And I attended a TEA Party rally and I liked it. What now?
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Yeah, that was me. I don't think Linux has enough applications (like Office, etc) that I use everyday to keep me satisfied, and allows me to share all that information with other people who can use the files/data. Microsoft has basically become the "standard" that the vast majority of people use and exchange information with in business and personal use. It's kind of like when VHS tape format took over the Beta format, even though Beta was better technology at the time. Once something basically becomes a "standard" it's hard to upset that or turn that around.
Running MS Office is possible on Linux through WINE, but not the greatest. I prefer Libre Office anyway (comes with a lot of Linux distros). As long as you save your Libre Office files as a .doc instead of a .odt other people will be able to view all your files. If you are thinking back to that Linux distro you used to help determine if your modem was going out, yes that is a bare bones light distro. There are better distros, Linux Mint is a favorite of mine, along with Ubuntu. Like I said earlier though, if someone wants to use Windows that is fine with me. I really don't care. I just like people to be aware of their options, Windows isn't the only one.
Yeah, that was me. I don't think Linux has enough applications (like Office, etc) that I use everyday to keep me satisfied, and allows me to share all that information with other people who can use the files/data. Microsoft has basically become the "standard" that the vast majority of people use and exchange information with in business and personal use. It's kind of like when VHS tape format took over the Beta format, even though Beta was better technology at the time. Once something basically becomes a "standard" it's hard to upset that or turn that around.
Running MS Office is possible on Linux through WINE, but not the greatest. I prefer Libre Office anyway (comes with a lot of Linux distros). As long as you save your Libre Office files as a .doc instead of a .odt other people will be able to view all your files. If you are thinking back to that Linux distro you used to help determine if your modem was going out, yes that is a bare bones light distro. There are better distros, Linux Mint is a favorite of mine, along with Ubuntu. Like I said earlier though, if someone wants to use Windows that is fine with me. I really don't care. I just like people to be aware of their options, Windows isn't the only one.
We've been through the photo issue before, you and I, so I concede your point on that. In any case, build a dark room.
The use of WordPerfect in government offices on Windows is actually wrong-headed. I know perfectly well why they do it, and have done so myself. What they should be doing is going to something else that's open source (FreeDOS) and be using WordPerfect there. That way, they get to use the native fonts of their dot matrix printers, and the multi-part government forms will be a lot prettier. Or, they could revert to a typewriter. The average office clerk doesn't push at the upper limits of a typewriter's abilities, let alone use all the functionality of OpenOffice, WordPerfect, or MS Office.
Redacting in OpenOffice and its variants isn't difficult, either. In any event, rewriting the software isn't just about money. Most people who do development in Linux are doing so out of enjoyment and necessity, rather than a paycheque. There was a time, not to long ago, when those who wanted a computer to do something did have to program it themselves.
The use of WordPerfect in government offices on Windows is actually wrong-headed. I know perfectly well why they do it, and have done so myself. What they should be doing is going to something else that's open source (FreeDOS) and be using WordPerfect there. That way, they get to use the native fonts of their dot matrix printers, and the multi-part government forms will be a lot prettier. Or, they could revert to a typewriter. The average office clerk doesn't push at the upper limits of a typewriter's abilities, let alone use all the functionality of OpenOffice, WordPerfect, or MS Office.
Redacting in OpenOffice and its variants isn't difficult, either. In any event, rewriting the software isn't just about money. Most people who do development in Linux are doing so out of enjoyment and necessity, rather than a paycheque. There was a time, not to long ago, when those who wanted a computer to do something did have to program it themselves.
Some guys here are saying that Win 8.1 runs noticeably faster than Win 7. What are you guys using as the measuring tool for that ... boot-up time, running certain applications, etc? Can you give some examples that have led you to conclude that?
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Some guys here are saying that Win 8.1 runs noticeably faster than Win 7. What are you guys using as the measuring tool for that ... boot-up time, running certain applications, etc? Can you give some examples that have led you to conclude that?
I personally didn't notice a difference between the two when I still had Win 8. Granted, I was using 7 and 8 on different hardware, but if there is a difference it's not very noticeable. With the specs of your computer you would never notice anyway!
Some guys here are saying that Win 8.1 runs noticeably faster than Win 7. What are you guys using as the measuring tool for that ... boot-up time, running certain applications, etc? Can you give some examples that have led you to conclude that?
I personally didn't notice a difference between the two when I still had Win 8. Granted, I was using 7 and 8 on different hardware, but if there is a difference it's not very noticeable. With the specs of your computer you would never notice anyway!
Dark rooms are a little bit dated. So I hope you are kidding. Although it has been only fairly recently that digital cameras really started to rival the true potential quality of 35mm film, to say nothing about medium format and especially large format. Landscape photographers still use large format. And if anybody ever sees what a large format camera can achieve, if the photo is scanned by a drum scanner, they would be amazed.
And you may be underestimating somewhat the work load of people in those offices. It may be a different story at the federal level, but at my level there was no shortage of work load. I personally used a lot of features of Microsoft Office, including Word, Excel, and Outlook.
And I think it is unlikely that we are going to return to a time when people had to write their own programs. Although we did have a woman in IT who would listen to us and write entire programs for us. And those programs worked pretty good.
And you may be underestimating somewhat the work load of people in those offices. It may be a different story at the federal level, but at my level there was no shortage of work load. I personally used a lot of features of Microsoft Office, including Word, Excel, and Outlook.
And I think it is unlikely that we are going to return to a time when people had to write their own programs. Although we did have a woman in IT who would listen to us and write entire programs for us. And those programs worked pretty good.
How about if a guy asks a question about Windows he gets answers for his question and not lectures on how he should dump that Windows trash and go immediately to Linux?
And if a guy asks questions about a Linux O/S he gets answers to his questions and no lectures about how he should immediately switch to Windows?
And if a guy asks questions about Apple Mac OS X he gets answers to his questions and no lectures?
90% of all issues at this board could be taken care of if people stayed on subject. I did not even comment for a long time in this post even though it was about Windows 7 and Windows 8. And I believe (I would have to check) that when I did comment I tried to stay on subject.
Maybe the guy asking the question does not want to switch to Linux. Maybe he just wants advice on which Windows operating system to use.
And if a guy asks questions about a Linux O/S he gets answers to his questions and no lectures about how he should immediately switch to Windows?
And if a guy asks questions about Apple Mac OS X he gets answers to his questions and no lectures?
90% of all issues at this board could be taken care of if people stayed on subject. I did not even comment for a long time in this post even though it was about Windows 7 and Windows 8. And I believe (I would have to check) that when I did comment I tried to stay on subject.
Maybe the guy asking the question does not want to switch to Linux. Maybe he just wants advice on which Windows operating system to use.
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Dark rooms are a little bit dated. So I hope you are kidding.
Yes, I was being a bit of a wise guy. It is amazing how things have changed in only a few short years, though. Seeing how things have changed, even in a mid to high end type hobbyist store is pretty impressive. A few years back, there were plenty of ads for new, 35mm SLRs. Not any longer!
You'd be surprised what one can accomplish in a word processor that isn't called MS Office or WordPerfect, and that's even going back a lot of years. And no, we're certainly not terribly likely to be returning to the days where we have to code ourselves, but the [computing] world would be a much better place if the skill sets were a little less rudimentary than they are now among the general public.
Dark rooms are a little bit dated. So I hope you are kidding.
Yes, I was being a bit of a wise guy. It is amazing how things have changed in only a few short years, though. Seeing how things have changed, even in a mid to high end type hobbyist store is pretty impressive. A few years back, there were plenty of ads for new, 35mm SLRs. Not any longer!
You'd be surprised what one can accomplish in a word processor that isn't called MS Office or WordPerfect, and that's even going back a lot of years. And no, we're certainly not terribly likely to be returning to the days where we have to code ourselves, but the [computing] world would be a much better place if the skill sets were a little less rudimentary than they are now among the general public.
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Maybe he just wants advice on which Windows operating system to use.
Windows 98 is my pick - it would work with all my classic games.
Maybe he just wants advice on which Windows operating system to use.
Windows 98 is my pick - it would work with all my classic games.
Maybe someday it will be possible here for Linux users to accept Windows users and Windows users to accept Apple users. Maybe someday we can all agree that computer technology is just technology and let us use whatever works the best. If Linux works the best for some applications fine. If Windows works the best for some applications fine. And so forth.
And maybe someday we can learn to respect or not respect somebody based on what they do. I respect Bill Gates and Melinda Gates for donating millions and I think billions of dollars to the poor throughout the world. I don't have a lot of respect for somebody who talks about freedom when it comes to software and then praises a dictator.
But for some people there is no right and no wrong and everything is relative.
And maybe someday we can learn to respect or not respect somebody based on what they do. I respect Bill Gates and Melinda Gates for donating millions and I think billions of dollars to the poor throughout the world. I don't have a lot of respect for somebody who talks about freedom when it comes to software and then praises a dictator.
But for some people there is no right and no wrong and everything is relative.
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Originally Posted By: ClutchDisc
I personally didn't notice a difference between the two when I still had Win 8. Granted, I was using 7 and 8 on different hardware, but if there is a difference it's not very noticeable. With the specs of your computer you would never notice anyway!
Since I have access to many computer resources and in particular exact models of computers, I can objectively and definitively say there is a VERY noticeable difference between W7 and W8. From boot time, to program load time, to calculation time--W8 is faster hands down. W8 is not for everyone and I do not like the metro interface either (unless the machine is touch screen), but with Start8, W8 is the fastest version of W7 you will ever use.
I personally didn't notice a difference between the two when I still had Win 8. Granted, I was using 7 and 8 on different hardware, but if there is a difference it's not very noticeable. With the specs of your computer you would never notice anyway!
Since I have access to many computer resources and in particular exact models of computers, I can objectively and definitively say there is a VERY noticeable difference between W7 and W8. From boot time, to program load time, to calculation time--W8 is faster hands down. W8 is not for everyone and I do not like the metro interface either (unless the machine is touch screen), but with Start8, W8 is the fastest version of W7 you will ever use.
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: ClutchDisc
I personally didn't notice a difference between the two when I still had Win 8. Granted, I was using 7 and 8 on different hardware, but if there is a difference it's not very noticeable. With the specs of your computer you would never notice anyway!
Since I have access to many computer resources and in particular exact models of computers, I can objectively and definitively say there is a VERY noticeable difference between W7 and W8. From boot time, to program load time, to calculation time--W8 is faster hands down. W8 is not for everyone and I do not like the metro interface either (unless the machine is touch screen), but with Start8, W8 is the fastest version of W7 you will ever use.
Like I said, I had them on very different hardware, so it was hard to tell. Some of it is going to have to do with your system specs too, as my Win 8 laptop took forever to boot. But either way, the OP is going to have a very fast computer with the specs he got!
Originally Posted By: ClutchDisc
I personally didn't notice a difference between the two when I still had Win 8. Granted, I was using 7 and 8 on different hardware, but if there is a difference it's not very noticeable. With the specs of your computer you would never notice anyway!
Since I have access to many computer resources and in particular exact models of computers, I can objectively and definitively say there is a VERY noticeable difference between W7 and W8. From boot time, to program load time, to calculation time--W8 is faster hands down. W8 is not for everyone and I do not like the metro interface either (unless the machine is touch screen), but with Start8, W8 is the fastest version of W7 you will ever use.
Like I said, I had them on very different hardware, so it was hard to tell. Some of it is going to have to do with your system specs too, as my Win 8 laptop took forever to boot. But either way, the OP is going to have a very fast computer with the specs he got!
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I respect Bill Gates and Melinda Gates for donating millions and I think billions of dollars to the poor throughout the world.
Maybe Sheldon was right, and that if Bill Gates weren't so distracted by sick children in Africa, he could have put a little more thought into Windows Vista.
Realistically, though, the Linux people have to be loud and proud to be heard among the masses. Bill Gates got where he is, to put it bluntly, by shoving his operating system down every throat in sight and for many, many years. Can the average person walk into Staples or Walmart and get a computer with no OS or an alternative OS? No - they're all preloaded with Windows.
I respect Bill Gates and Melinda Gates for donating millions and I think billions of dollars to the poor throughout the world.
Maybe Sheldon was right, and that if Bill Gates weren't so distracted by sick children in Africa, he could have put a little more thought into Windows Vista.
Realistically, though, the Linux people have to be loud and proud to be heard among the masses. Bill Gates got where he is, to put it bluntly, by shoving his operating system down every throat in sight and for many, many years. Can the average person walk into Staples or Walmart and get a computer with no OS or an alternative OS? No - they're all preloaded with Windows.
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Maybe someday it will be possible here for Linux users to accept Windows users and Windows users to accept Apple users. Maybe someday we can all agree that computer technology is just technology and let us use whatever works the best. If Linux works the best for some applications fine. If Windows works the best for some applications fine. And so forth.
And maybe someday we can learn to respect or not respect somebody based on what they do. I respect Bill Gates and Melinda Gates for donating millions and I think billions of dollars to the poor throughout the world. I don't have a lot of respect for somebody who talks about freedom when it comes to software and then praises a dictator.
But for some people there is no right and no wrong and everything is relative.
Who isn't accepting the Windows users?!?
Who is talking about software freedom and then praising a dictator?!?!?
If telling people about the benefits of Linux and letting them make the decision if they want to try it or not is "not accepting the Windows users", then again, I don't know what else to say to you.
Also, if you look back, I stayed very much on topic, the OP asked what I would do and I told him that I would get a Linux computer. Is there anything wrong with that?? I talked a lot about Win 7 and Win 8 in this thread. He asked me what I would do so I told him. I didn't push it, I simply informed him of what I would do. The discussion of Linux continued because people asked me questions. I then answered their questions. Do you have a problem with that?? This is a discussion forum, threads don't always stay on perfect topic!
I use Windows 7. Not as much as Linux, but I do own a Win 7 netbook and use it. Does that sound like I don't accept the Windows users??
Maybe someday it will be possible here for Linux users to accept Windows users and Windows users to accept Apple users. Maybe someday we can all agree that computer technology is just technology and let us use whatever works the best. If Linux works the best for some applications fine. If Windows works the best for some applications fine. And so forth.
And maybe someday we can learn to respect or not respect somebody based on what they do. I respect Bill Gates and Melinda Gates for donating millions and I think billions of dollars to the poor throughout the world. I don't have a lot of respect for somebody who talks about freedom when it comes to software and then praises a dictator.
But for some people there is no right and no wrong and everything is relative.
Who isn't accepting the Windows users?!?
Who is talking about software freedom and then praising a dictator?!?!?
If telling people about the benefits of Linux and letting them make the decision if they want to try it or not is "not accepting the Windows users", then again, I don't know what else to say to you.
Also, if you look back, I stayed very much on topic, the OP asked what I would do and I told him that I would get a Linux computer. Is there anything wrong with that?? I talked a lot about Win 7 and Win 8 in this thread. He asked me what I would do so I told him. I didn't push it, I simply informed him of what I would do. The discussion of Linux continued because people asked me questions. I then answered their questions. Do you have a problem with that?? This is a discussion forum, threads don't always stay on perfect topic!
I use Windows 7. Not as much as Linux, but I do own a Win 7 netbook and use it. Does that sound like I don't accept the Windows users??
Originally Posted By: Garak
Realistically, though, the Linux people have to be loud and proud to be heard among the masses. Bill Gates got where he is, to put it bluntly, by shoving his operating system down every throat in sight and for many, many years. Can the average person walk into Staples or Walmart and get a computer with no OS or an alternative OS? No - they're all preloaded with Windows.
Exactly, otherwise a lot of them will never hear of it! I am very glad people did that for me. You don't push it on them, but let them know there is something else besides Windows in the OS world.
Realistically, though, the Linux people have to be loud and proud to be heard among the masses. Bill Gates got where he is, to put it bluntly, by shoving his operating system down every throat in sight and for many, many years. Can the average person walk into Staples or Walmart and get a computer with no OS or an alternative OS? No - they're all preloaded with Windows.
Exactly, otherwise a lot of them will never hear of it! I am very glad people did that for me. You don't push it on them, but let them know there is something else besides Windows in the OS world.
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Originally Posted By: ClutchDisc
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: ClutchDisc
I personally didn't notice a difference between the two when I still had Win 8. Granted, I was using 7 and 8 on different hardware, but if there is a difference it's not very noticeable. With the specs of your computer you would never notice anyway!
Since I have access to many computer resources and in particular exact models of computers, I can objectively and definitively say there is a VERY noticeable difference between W7 and W8. From boot time, to program load time, to calculation time--W8 is faster hands down. W8 is not for everyone and I do not like the metro interface either (unless the machine is touch screen), but with Start8, W8 is the fastest version of W7 you will ever use.
Like I said, I had them on very different hardware, so it was hard to tell. Some of it is going to have to do with your system specs too, as my Win 8 laptop took forever to boot. But either way, the OP is going to have a very fast computer with the specs he got!
I just realized that I may need to clarify or at least highlight one point--I am speaking of the 64 bit editions of both W7 and W8. We do not use the 32 bit versions of the OS (no point for us to do so).
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: ClutchDisc
I personally didn't notice a difference between the two when I still had Win 8. Granted, I was using 7 and 8 on different hardware, but if there is a difference it's not very noticeable. With the specs of your computer you would never notice anyway!
Since I have access to many computer resources and in particular exact models of computers, I can objectively and definitively say there is a VERY noticeable difference between W7 and W8. From boot time, to program load time, to calculation time--W8 is faster hands down. W8 is not for everyone and I do not like the metro interface either (unless the machine is touch screen), but with Start8, W8 is the fastest version of W7 you will ever use.
Like I said, I had them on very different hardware, so it was hard to tell. Some of it is going to have to do with your system specs too, as my Win 8 laptop took forever to boot. But either way, the OP is going to have a very fast computer with the specs he got!
I just realized that I may need to clarify or at least highlight one point--I am speaking of the 64 bit editions of both W7 and W8. We do not use the 32 bit versions of the OS (no point for us to do so).
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