For the record, I had a copy of 8.1 that came with my laptop... I threw that away including the product key. I have access to a copy of 8.1 from my school for free too.. I won't even take it for free!! I'm glad I'm no longer bound by M$. The freedom Linux gives you is simply amazing. I pity anyone who is still enslaved by Windows!
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Originally Posted By: ClutchDisc
I'm glad I'm no longer bound by M$. The freedom Linux gives you is simply amazing. I pity anyone who is still enslaved by Windows!
So what are you using this 'freedom' for? What are you doing with it that was holding you back under Windows?
I'm glad I'm no longer bound by M$. The freedom Linux gives you is simply amazing. I pity anyone who is still enslaved by Windows!
So what are you using this 'freedom' for? What are you doing with it that was holding you back under Windows?
Originally Posted By: Trav
The original 95 had no 32 bit support, no USB or AGP support it wasn't until later releases that it became really usable.
All of those were new technologies at the time that most people didn't need and/or weren't using. In its day, Windows 95 was a huge step up from what Windows 3.1 was.
Windows 95 was technically a 32-bit OS but it still relied on way too much 16-bit code to work, and so did 98. But at the time it wasn't really a problem.
The original 95 had no 32 bit support, no USB or AGP support it wasn't until later releases that it became really usable.
All of those were new technologies at the time that most people didn't need and/or weren't using. In its day, Windows 95 was a huge step up from what Windows 3.1 was.
Windows 95 was technically a 32-bit OS but it still relied on way too much 16-bit code to work, and so did 98. But at the time it wasn't really a problem.
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Originally Posted By: ClutchDisc
I'm glad I'm no longer bound by M$. The freedom Linux gives you is simply amazing. I pity anyone who is still enslaved by Windows!
So what are you using this 'freedom' for? What are you doing with it that was holding you back under Windows?
A LOT of things! I could probably write an essay and still not cover them all! Here is a list of some of the main things:
No product keys / activation to have to deal with.. It's free! Upgrades to the next version are always free as well. You never have to pay a penny.
No malware or viruses.. You don't need an antivirus because Linux can't get viruses. Enable your firewall and you are good to go!
Try one distro and you don't like it? Switch to another, it's free and easy to switch!
It just works. It's really fast, doesn't need daily restarts to continue functioning, 5 years later it will run as the day you installed it!
Need to get some kind of software? No need to search the web for it like you have to do in windows, just simply open up the Software Manager, find what you are looking for and install.. No more having to manually uncheck 10 different types of malware that it's trying to install along with the software you really are trying to install.
Updates? Easy, when there are updates for your system available, it will tell you and you can simply click install. They install while you are working, and rarely require a restart. The Update Manager updates your entire system, even the software you install yourself! It's great.
That is just the start of my list, I could go on and on...
Originally Posted By: ClutchDisc
I'm glad I'm no longer bound by M$. The freedom Linux gives you is simply amazing. I pity anyone who is still enslaved by Windows!
So what are you using this 'freedom' for? What are you doing with it that was holding you back under Windows?
A LOT of things! I could probably write an essay and still not cover them all! Here is a list of some of the main things:
No product keys / activation to have to deal with.. It's free! Upgrades to the next version are always free as well. You never have to pay a penny.
No malware or viruses.. You don't need an antivirus because Linux can't get viruses. Enable your firewall and you are good to go!
Try one distro and you don't like it? Switch to another, it's free and easy to switch!
It just works. It's really fast, doesn't need daily restarts to continue functioning, 5 years later it will run as the day you installed it!
Need to get some kind of software? No need to search the web for it like you have to do in windows, just simply open up the Software Manager, find what you are looking for and install.. No more having to manually uncheck 10 different types of malware that it's trying to install along with the software you really are trying to install.
Updates? Easy, when there are updates for your system available, it will tell you and you can simply click install. They install while you are working, and rarely require a restart. The Update Manager updates your entire system, even the software you install yourself! It's great.
That is just the start of my list, I could go on and on...
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Windows 95 was technically a 32-bit OS but it still relied on way too much 16-bit code to work, and so did 98. But at the time it wasn't really a problem.
Speaking of OS bit codes, since Win 7 and Win 8.1 are 64 bit operating systems, will they still run older 32 bit programs like older versions of Windows Office, etc?
Windows 95 was technically a 32-bit OS but it still relied on way too much 16-bit code to work, and so did 98. But at the time it wasn't really a problem.
Speaking of OS bit codes, since Win 7 and Win 8.1 are 64 bit operating systems, will they still run older 32 bit programs like older versions of Windows Office, etc?
Originally Posted By: ClutchDisc
That is just the start of my list, I could go on and on...
I disagree with most of what you posted but I can't say I really want to get into it. Glad it's working for you.
That is just the start of my list, I could go on and on...
I disagree with most of what you posted but I can't say I really want to get into it. Glad it's working for you.
I used XP for a LOOONNGGG time. I just switched to Win 7 at home and 8.1 at work. I prefer Windows 7 hands down. I need to install Start8 on my work computer so I wont be so irritated with it.
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Originally Posted By: ClutchDisc
That is just the start of my list, I could go on and on...
I disagree with most of what you posted but I can't say I really want to get into it. Glad it's working for you.
Why do you disagree? Have you used Linux before? Or have you found a way to make Windows work like that?? Everything I posted is true..
Originally Posted By: ClutchDisc
That is just the start of my list, I could go on and on...
I disagree with most of what you posted but I can't say I really want to get into it. Glad it's working for you.
Why do you disagree? Have you used Linux before? Or have you found a way to make Windows work like that?? Everything I posted is true..
Linux for free?
You also don't know who has free reign in addition to yourself, on your computer. That's the price of free sometimes.
Id be scared chitless logging into a bank account, buts that's just me.
You also don't know who has free reign in addition to yourself, on your computer. That's the price of free sometimes.
Id be scared chitless logging into a bank account, buts that's just me.
Originally Posted By: Mackelroy
You also don't know who has free reign in addition to yourself, on your computer. That's the price of free sometimes.
Id be scared chitless logging into a bank account, buts that's just me.
You would be scared of doing online banking on a Linux computer? Really?
You do know that most ATMs run a Linux OS of one sort or another, don't you? They can't afford a blue screen of death every three hours.
You also don't know who has free reign in addition to yourself, on your computer. That's the price of free sometimes.
Id be scared chitless logging into a bank account, buts that's just me.
You would be scared of doing online banking on a Linux computer? Really?
You do know that most ATMs run a Linux OS of one sort or another, don't you? They can't afford a blue screen of death every three hours.
Originally Posted By: Mackelroy
Linux for free?
You also don't know who has free reign in addition to yourself, on your computer. That's the price of free sometimes.
Id be scared chitless logging into a bank account, buts that's just me.
You have to let go of the desire to make Linux as poor of a system as Windows. It's a totally different operating system. This was hard for me to do when I first switched to Linux. I thought that since Windows needed an antivirus, that Linux would need one too. But it doesn't. I'd be concerned about logging into my bank account on a Windows computer!
You don't understand the whole point behind Linux if you think that just because it's free that makes it a bad system. Nobody has free reign over my computer besides myself.
Linux for free?
You also don't know who has free reign in addition to yourself, on your computer. That's the price of free sometimes.
Id be scared chitless logging into a bank account, buts that's just me.
You have to let go of the desire to make Linux as poor of a system as Windows. It's a totally different operating system. This was hard for me to do when I first switched to Linux. I thought that since Windows needed an antivirus, that Linux would need one too. But it doesn't. I'd be concerned about logging into my bank account on a Windows computer!
You don't understand the whole point behind Linux if you think that just because it's free that makes it a bad system. Nobody has free reign over my computer besides myself.
I have Linux Mint 17 on one PC (upgraded from 16 on an old Dell laptop from 2006) and I like it, but it's far from perfect and has it's own set of issues. It's no better or worse than the XP it replaced, and I prefer my Windows 7 machine to it.
Originally Posted By: Mackelroy
Linux for free?
You also don't know who has free reign in addition to yourself, on your computer. That's the price of free sometimes.
Id be scared chitless logging into a bank account, buts that's just me.
That does not make any sense, and I am probably just missing your point. Can you explain that again?
Linux for free?
You also don't know who has free reign in addition to yourself, on your computer. That's the price of free sometimes.
Id be scared chitless logging into a bank account, buts that's just me.
That does not make any sense, and I am probably just missing your point. Can you explain that again?
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Originally Posted By: ClutchDisc
That is just the start of my list, I could go on and on...
I disagree with most of what you posted but I can't say I really want to get into it. Glad it's working for you.
Free software respects freedom and exists for **your benefit**, asking nothing in return. For-profit software exists to serve the interests of those who make and "own" it; and YOU are the cow that is milked and exploited.
Linux-based OS's, in addition to respecting freedom, are more secure, respect privacy, allow you to migrate your data without being bound to proprietary, for-profit software that intentionally locks you into it, are free from licensing restrictions, run faster, offer you more choice in the GUI's and applications that you use and are also no-cost. They are developed by open communities that disclose and patch any issues transparently and openly (and immediately, rather than a for-profit corporation decided whether fixing a security hole is worth their effort and human capital expenditure).
Originally Posted By: ClutchDisc
That is just the start of my list, I could go on and on...
I disagree with most of what you posted but I can't say I really want to get into it. Glad it's working for you.
Free software respects freedom and exists for **your benefit**, asking nothing in return. For-profit software exists to serve the interests of those who make and "own" it; and YOU are the cow that is milked and exploited.
Linux-based OS's, in addition to respecting freedom, are more secure, respect privacy, allow you to migrate your data without being bound to proprietary, for-profit software that intentionally locks you into it, are free from licensing restrictions, run faster, offer you more choice in the GUI's and applications that you use and are also no-cost. They are developed by open communities that disclose and patch any issues transparently and openly (and immediately, rather than a for-profit corporation decided whether fixing a security hole is worth their effort and human capital expenditure).
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Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
Linux-based OS's, in addition to respecting freedom, are more secure, respect privacy, allow you to migrate your data without being bound to proprietary, for-profit software that intentionally locks you into it, are free from licensing restrictions, run faster, offer you more choice in the GUI's and applications that you use and are also no-cost. They are developed by open communities that disclose and patch any issues transparently and openly (and immediately, rather than a for-profit corporation decided whether fixing a security hole is worth their effort and human capital expenditure).
While I will agree with your thoughts (I have used 3 versions of Linux and like Zorin the best), the fact is until the Office Suites for Linux are FULLY compatible with MS Office, Linux will continue to flounder in that area. I have tried every version of Linux Office that I could find (Libre, Open, Star, KingSoft) and while they work very well on "original" documents, they tend to destroy documents which were created in MS Office. In addition, the spreadsheet program with most of them is in no way as powerful as Excel. I fully understand the "free" part, but sometimes you get what you pay for. I cannot imagine my company switching to Linux and "free" Office even though we would save millions out of the box, simply due to the overall lack of compatibility and support. Do not misunderstand, I like Linux and learn a bit more about it everyday, but (at least at the current time), I think it is far fetched to believe that Linux will become the OS of choice.
Linux-based OS's, in addition to respecting freedom, are more secure, respect privacy, allow you to migrate your data without being bound to proprietary, for-profit software that intentionally locks you into it, are free from licensing restrictions, run faster, offer you more choice in the GUI's and applications that you use and are also no-cost. They are developed by open communities that disclose and patch any issues transparently and openly (and immediately, rather than a for-profit corporation decided whether fixing a security hole is worth their effort and human capital expenditure).
While I will agree with your thoughts (I have used 3 versions of Linux and like Zorin the best), the fact is until the Office Suites for Linux are FULLY compatible with MS Office, Linux will continue to flounder in that area. I have tried every version of Linux Office that I could find (Libre, Open, Star, KingSoft) and while they work very well on "original" documents, they tend to destroy documents which were created in MS Office. In addition, the spreadsheet program with most of them is in no way as powerful as Excel. I fully understand the "free" part, but sometimes you get what you pay for. I cannot imagine my company switching to Linux and "free" Office even though we would save millions out of the box, simply due to the overall lack of compatibility and support. Do not misunderstand, I like Linux and learn a bit more about it everyday, but (at least at the current time), I think it is far fetched to believe that Linux will become the OS of choice.
I asked a while back and nobody responded. Will Win 7 or Win 8.1 in 64-bit run older 32-bit applications like Office, etc? My assumption is "yes", but I'm not totally sure. I would like to use my 32-bit Office and not have to go buy a 64-bit version if I go with a new machine with a 64-bit OS.
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
I asked a while back and nobody responded. Will Win 7 or Win 8.1 in 64-bit run older 32-bit applications like Office, etc? My assumption is "yes", but I'm not totally sure. I would like to use my 32-bit Office and not have to go buy a 64-bit version if I go with a new machine with a 64-bit OS.
Yes; in fact MS will tell you not to use the 64bit version unless you absolutely need it for a specific reason. We run the 32 bit version of Office 2010 and Office 2013 on x64 Windows 7 and 8 with no issues.
I asked a while back and nobody responded. Will Win 7 or Win 8.1 in 64-bit run older 32-bit applications like Office, etc? My assumption is "yes", but I'm not totally sure. I would like to use my 32-bit Office and not have to go buy a 64-bit version if I go with a new machine with a 64-bit OS.
Yes; in fact MS will tell you not to use the 64bit version unless you absolutely need it for a specific reason. We run the 32 bit version of Office 2010 and Office 2013 on x64 Windows 7 and 8 with no issues.
I think; don't quote me on it, but I think it should work.
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