GM Shifts Engineering to Electric Programs

[buster]

Only a matter of time until I won't have to think about what oil I'm going to use.

"Bob is the EV Guy"

https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/28/g...its-electric-and-autonomous-vehicle-programs/

 

[ABN_CBT_ENGR]

A very long time to be sure

 

[Pelican]

Car are getting more & more like appliances, no more "Joy of Driving"

 

[JeffKeryk]

The major car manufacturers have a lotta catching up to do if they wanna be a player in the EV market.
The inferior Jaguar, Porsche and Audi EVs (legendary, formidable car companies) are evidence.

 

[E365]

Good. Electric motors are vastly superior to internal combustion engines in almost every imaginable way. Efficiency, size, weight, complexity, reliability, torque, throttle response, smoothness, etc.

All they needed was a good battery.

 

[A_Harman]

I'm unclear. Is this an internal GM memo that got leaked, or a formal news release by GM? If it's a leaked memo, there is a lot of opportunity for exaggerating its importance. I don't see how Tadge with a skeleton crew can complete the development of future Corvette variants that have been reported previously. The Z06 is probably through validation testing, so engineering input will be less required. But the twin-turbo ZR1 and hybrid Zora are probably still very much in development, so would require substantial engineering support. Maybe since the basic chassis and body structure has been put into production, they have moved the chassis designers and engineers to EV work.

 

[A_Harman]

Good. Electric motors are vastly superior to internal combustion engines in almost every imaginable way. Efficiency, size, weight, complexity, reliability, torque, throttle response, smoothness, etc.

All they needed was a good battery.

And they're still waiting for one. 108 years and counting.

 

[SZR48207]

Gee I can't wait to see what it's like to drive a super basic base level EV (like getting a Yaris or Versa rental).. I can only imagine how gutless and utilitarian those will be.

 

[Falcon_LS]

I'm more concerned about the power grid to charge those batteries. Not to get political, but it's a disaster back in CA.

 

[WyrTwister]

Good. Electric motors are vastly superior to internal combustion engines in almost every imaginable way. Efficiency, size, weight, complexity, reliability, torque, throttle response, smoothness, etc.

All they needed was a good battery.

Wrong . You also need some industry to generate the electricity to charge the battery .

 

[bbhero]

And they're still waiting for one. 108 years and counting.

I think people utilizing electric vehicles has it's place... Absolutely. They have a use/place for a good number of people.

Just in my opinion we should have a real choice in what we want to drive and need for ourselves.


When anyone... And I mean anyone. . Wants to take away a choice from people... It is something to be very, very interested in and thoughtful about.


No way no where possible yet.... Can a battery put out the power in terms of longevity or ease of replenishment of energy like that of a combustion engine. .

And you cannot push enough electrons into a magic battery in but so fast.... Even a 800 volt super ultra charging station would take quite awhile to fully power a depleted battery back to 100 percent.

And how many people have a 400, 600 or much less 800 volt set up in their homes currently ??? And look up how long it truly takes to charge a battery ... A lot Longer than one may think. And how many people have much less a 400 volt system in their house?? Or even a 600 volt charging station system at their house ???

Ahh yeah... Hardly no one.

This comparison between a combustion engine and battery powered is like saying a coal burning power plant could be as good and efficient as a fission powered plant at producing electrical power..... It's not even a close contest... Not even close.

How will much raw battery material is really available ??

What machinery digs that up?? Hint: nothing electric digs that material up.... And could not possibly dig it up either...


What about how and what to do with all the battery waste after they no longer can be used?? Maybe it could be recycled and refined and used again.... Hopefully it can be done.

Let me see the biggest purveyor of this stuff sell his 10,000+ sq foot home and live in a 800 sq foot place. And let this person at least fly commercial airlines vs his extensive use of his own private jet... Which in one cross country trip back and forth uses more fuel than a average person does in a entire year. Then..... I may be more willing to "buy" into this a lot more.

 

[A_Harman]

Gee I can't wait to see what it's like to drive a super basic base level EV (like getting a Yaris or Versa rental).. I can only imagine how gutless and utilitarian those will be.

Yeah. Jonny Cabs. They'll get you there, but in varying degrees of indifference. EV and Autonomous seem to be destined to go together. For people who have to go somewhere but don't want to tear themselves away from their iPhones.

 

[Chris Meutsch]

Good. Electric motors are vastly superior to internal combustion engines in almost every imaginable way. Efficiency, size, weight, complexity, reliability, torque, throttle response, smoothness, etc.

All they needed was a good battery.

Having driven my friend's Tesla Model S, I wholeheartedly agree. It's just as scary as my other friend's 650HP Audi S6 that's chipped and tuned.

 

[ABN_CBT_ENGR]

Wrong . You also need some industry to generate the electricity to charge the battery .

You mean like.. its not just "there".. like its not "free"... like they don't just charge themselves in a second....

and the list goes on

 

[ABN_CBT_ENGR]

The major car manufacturers have a lotta catching up to do if they wanna be a player in the EV market.
The inferior Jaguar, Porsche and Audi EVs (legendary, formidable car companies) are evidence.

The EV market has a lot more "proving' to do before the major manufacturers do much more than stick a foot in the water

 

[JeffKeryk]

The EV market has a lot more "proving' to do before the major manufacturers do much more than stick a foot in the water

Tesla is the most valuable car company in the world.
And they are a pure play company; they don't have cash cow products to lean on.

Yes, the EV market is in its infancy. But it continues to grow and take market share from ICE vehicles.

 

[ABN_CBT_ENGR]

Tesla is the most valuable car company in the world.
And they are a pure play company; they don't have cash cow products to lean on.

Yes, the EV market is in its infancy. But it continues to grow and take market share from ICE vehicles.

Enron ( easy to do when people give you money- lot harder to do when you actually have to manage a P&L)

Its "growth" currently is somewhere between a rich persons pastime and a politically created wish- hardly proven and self sustainable. (Solyndra)

 

[OppositeLocK]

You understand Tesla is the most valuable car company in the world.
And they are a pure play company; they don't have cash cow products to lean on.

Yes, the EV market is in its infancy. But it continues to grow and take market share from ICE vehicles.

Market Cap =/= valuation. That's why when a company issues additional shares or gets bought for less, people say "rigged" and "the stock market is a scam".

Unless you legit want to say that Tesla is worth more than:

GM
Ford
FCA
Toyota
Honda
VW (Audi, Volkwagen, Porsche, Lambo)

all those companies, COMBINED.

Tesla's stock price is a joke.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Enron ( easy to do when people give you money- lot harder to do when you actually have to manage a P&L)

Its "growth" currently is somewhere between a rich persons pastime and a politically created wish- hardly proven and self sustainable. (Solyndra)

Your arguments just went uneven. Tesla is about to join the S&P because of continuous profitability. Mutual funds will buy TSLA and further drive up the price.
As for growth, they opened Shanghai and are building Berlin and Austin.
China is the biggest EV market and they love Teslas. Teslas are also in high demand in Europe.

I suggest to you that small automobile market share means Tesla (and EV) potentially has plenty of room to keep growing by increasing output.
I like the Solyndra point; fast growing Tesla now occupies Solyndra's beautiful building.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Market Cap =/= valuation. That's why when a company issues additional shares or gets bought for less, people say "rigged" and "the stock market is a scam".

Tesla's stock price is a joke.

Tesla is about to split 5 for 1 and join the S&P. I am not sure these facts support your opinion.