GL-5 versus GL-1 versus GL-4

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This is in relation to a question about what kind of gear oil I can use in my Polaris ATV.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4383903/Re:_Polaris_lubricant_equivila#Post4383903

My Fiat Spider requires GL-1 90 weight transmission oil. From my understanding GL-1 is a straight mineral oil without any of the harmful additives found in GL-5. If you use GL-5, the sulfur it will eat the brass syncronizers. GL-1 can be hard to find at autopart stores because it's not typically an automotive transmission oil. It is mainly used in old tractors like Fords for example. However you can find it at just about any tractor dealer or Tractor Supply.

The rear differential does require GL-5, 80W90 (or something like that).

My Yugo can use 40 weight engine oil (I've never actually seen it to be honest) or GL-1 90 which has roughly the same viscosity.

However the Yugo is front wheel drive and has the differential built into the transmission so it shares the same oil.

So tell me why are you supposed to use GL-5 in just a differential on a rear wheel drive car, but if the car is front wheel drive, your not supposed to use GL-5? Does that make any sense?

If there a difference between a RWD and a FWD differential?

Why use GL-5 period in a differential?

As mentioned in another post, if I encounter a gearbox (like on a mowing machine that attaches to a tractor) and I have no idea what kind of lube to use, I always use GL-1 90. Simply because it's supposed to be a straight mineral oil with no harmful additives that might destroy anything made of brass.

By my Citroen 2CV requires GL-4 80W90 which contains no sulfur additives found in GL-5. It's also front wheel drive. This stuff is really hard to find in the United States. I have to order it specially from a Citroen parts supplier or Amazon.com.

So what's is the difference between GL-4 and GL-1?
 
Originally Posted By: TurboFiat124
So tell me why are you supposed to use GL-5 in just a differential on a rear wheel drive car, but if the car is front wheel drive, your not supposed to use GL-5? Does that make any sense?

If there a difference between a RWD and a FWD differential?


FWD cars have a "transaxle" (my best way to put it in layman's terms is it's a combo transmission and differential per se). Synchronizers (at least the majority of them) don't "like" the additives that are in GL5 lubes. They can corrode the synchros and best case cause synchro clash. Some transmissions can use both though. FWD are RWD are just two different beasts.
 
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My Trabant 601 (also front wheel drive) which uses an oil called HLP-68. You cannot find this in the US but after extensive research I discovered AW-68 (anti-wear) hydraulic oil is the same thing. HLP is the German destination, AW is the American designation. This oil is a mineral oil with zinc additives.

One good thing about the Trabant is you can use AW-68, 30 weight motor oil, Dexron, Mercon ATF in it. The owner's manual lists various oils depending upon which Eastern Bloc country you lived in. Which may have been actually the same oil. Where as the German's called it one thing, The Romanians, the Czech's, Bulgarians, Russians called it something else.

The only thing is if you something with a higher than 30 weight viscosity oil, it may cause the freewheel device (Spraug clutch) on 4th gear trouble engaging, especially if it has some age on it.
 
RWD diffs have a hypoid gear set. Hypoid gears could originally require either a GL-4, GL-5 or GL-6 depending on the offset of the pinion. Today they all generally take GL-5.

FWD gearboxes (not what I would call a transaxle) dont have hypoid gears, the crownwheel and pinion are usually just helical gears. Depending on the load most of these would get away with a GL-3 or GL-4.

GL-4 and GL-5 are performance classifications, they do not ensure the oil does or does not contain Sulfur/Phos, Boron, Zinc or any other anti wear additives. GL-1 is just straight mineral oil however, no additives. GL-1 is obsolete, there are better alternatives for gearboxes.
 
Molakule

I just switched my ford f150 to manual trans (ZF). bought redline d4 ATF but didn't install the fluid yet. Is this the right fluid?
What fluid would you recommend?

Gary
 
Originally Posted By: barnyard
Molakule

I just switched my ford f150 to manual trans (ZF). bought redline d4 ATF but didn't install the fluid yet. Is this the right fluid?
What fluid would you recommend?

Gary


D4 should work as should MerconV or Type F. D4 would be my first choice in this lineup.
 
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