GeorgeCLS M1 GC Update

[TeeDub]

There are other clear indications that Mobil 1 is now using Group III basestocks, in addition to the GC scan. For example, grade for grade their Noack volatility numbers are significantly higher than Amsoils (who are using PAO's sourced from ExxonMobil).

Heres just one example:

Amsoil 10w-30, Noack of 5.4%
Mobil 1, 10w-30, Noack of 7.5%

So the volatility of the Mobil 1 product is fully 40% higher...

If anything, the additive treat level of the Amsoil formulation is higher, which typically RAISES the volatility,since some of what burns off is the add pack.

Comparing these oils at the low end, we also see a clear difference in Pour Points:

Amsoil 10w-30, PP of -51C/-58F
Mobil 1, 10w-30, PP of -45C/-49F

It is very clear to me that Mobil is NOT using the same quality of basesstocks in their own Mobil 1 line, that they are selling to Amsoil (the exception being Delvac 1 and possibly their 0w-40).

Since Amsoil is charging a premium for their products, they can afford to use more expensive raw materials. For their part, Mobil doesn't care if they sell their PAO's directly, or indirectly through Amsoil (as they have been doing for over twenty years). It's all business....

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[mazduh30]

Not your fault...thanks for your efforts, who knows maybe they'll come through.

 

[ccs v2.0]

Sorry I don't share the huggy feely sentiments as I smell rats with scents of red herring, 800 lb gorillas, white elephants and cop(outs).

 

[buster]

TeeDub pointed out other indications that show the change of PAO to a Group III/PAO blend. VI would be another.

 

[DragRace]

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Sorry I don't share the huggy feely sentiments as I smell rats with scents of red herring, 800 lb gorillas, white elephants and cop(outs).

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Yup,I'll agree 100%

 

[Ugly3]

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No floodgates needed. We appreciate your hard work in attempting to make this happen. We're sad to hear these results, but as BITOG'ers, we'll wait patiently for any future tests.

IMO, things change so much that data is quickly obsolete. Perhaps waiting longer for results isn't such a bad idea.

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Why are you sad to hear that Mobil 1 does not contain Group 3?

 

[Tones]

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..grade for grade their Noack volatility numbers are significantly higher than Amsoils...
TD

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This was pointed out over a year ago, when Mobil 1 went to the SuperSyn formulation. At the time, it was thought that this was attributed to the use of alkylated napthalenes. This is not strong evidence of Group III.

 

[buster]

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At the time, it was thought that this was attributed to the use of alkylated napthalenes. This is not strong evidence of Group III.

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Very true. In fact, I believe it was JAG that said his testing showed AN's to be very volatile. Makes sense especially when you consider how oils with higher Noak do better with oil consumption than Mobil 1.

 

[Lonnie]

Has this M1 stuff died down? It's just another engine oil. I've read throught some of these threads and they are going nowhere.

 

[Brett Miller]

I think another issue is that Amsoil can be bought at least $1/quart cheaper than Mobil 1 and we know what we are getting.

 

[ekpolk]

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Has this M1 stuff died down?

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Nope, it doesn't seem to be dying off yet...

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It's just another engine oil.

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At this point, I'd agree, except that it's "just another engine oil" that's going for $6-7. . . Gee, what a value.

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I've read throught some of these threads and they are going nowhere.

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And I believe that they will continue roaring on to nowhere for quite some time.

 

[98LSC32V]

In my opinion as long as Mobil 1 is factory fill on most of the high end exotic cars, Corvettes, Vipers, AMG, Porsche, SRT8 than they are not just another engine oil.

 

[ekpolk]

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In my opinion as long as Mobil 1 is factory fill on most of the high end exotic cars, Corvettes, Vipers, AMG, Porsche, SRT8 than they are not just another engine oil.

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Of course, if you spend some time studying in our UOA section, you'll see that while M1 isn't bad stuff (except for those disturbing high-iron cases...), it's no more special than most of the other OTC synthetics. You, of course, are entitled to believe whatever you want.

 

[toocrazy2yoo]

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In my opinion as long as Mobil 1 is factory fill on most of the high end exotic cars, Corvettes, Vipers, AMG, Porsche, SRT8 than they are not just another engine oil.

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Your opinion is based on complete disregard for marketing, marketing, marketing. Exxon/Mobil pays the manufacturer a little somethin-somethin, gives em the factory-fill in bulk. Then the customer is duty-bound to maintain Exxon/Mobil1 as factory fill for the life of the vehicle, and Exxon/Mobil is free to cheapen the base oils, cheat, lie and worm their way through lame proprietary explainations as to why they can't tell you how degraded their product now is.

Proudly declaring Exxon/Mobil1 as your factory fill is exactly the same thing as selling stadium-naming rights or Dell selling presence on the desktop or hawking product placement in the movies, except it's just high-end cars selling the naming rights to the factory fill. Nothing more. Exxon/Mobil1 is simply the highest bidder, not that their product is any better than a can of straight-weight GroupI SA, especially now.