Genesis G70 experience

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Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Hyundai will get there. The luxury/near-luxury market is very crowded so it's a challenge to carve a niche. As for the quality control issues, that'll get rectified as well. For example about 5-6 yrs ago my wife was looking at an Audi A5 , on the dealer floor no less, when she opened the trunk a trim piece fell off onto the floor.


They will need more volume to get there. One thing about selling lots of cars is that there's more aftermarket support and more people know how to fix them because they're out there. I'd stay away til there's more volume, they sell very few cars compared to similar models from BMW, Mercedes, Audi etc.

Originally Posted by PWMDMD
If Genesis wants to be taken seriously they will need to replicate this experience in dedicated dealerships. I looked at the local Genesis dealership website and they only had anywhere from 1-5 of each model - this is just a Hyundai dealership that sells Genesis cars. How could they possibly have a dedicated dealership when their total inventory of cars at my local dealership is 14?


Yeah, that's pretty low volume, the dealership I go to has about 700 new Mercedes on the lot now with about 2600 used cars for sale. They're the ones that offer you racks and racks of coolers filled with drinks and free breakfast/lunch bar.
 
Originally Posted by AZjeff
Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Hyundai will get there.


Unfortunately as the saying goes they only get one chance to make a first impression. The OP had a bad first impression and is letting us know about it, could be someone in the market for that class of car won't bother to look at a Genesis based on this thread.

These aren't Yugos. Genesis should be providing a better experience than their competition and the dealership should either be in the category or not.

That is the key, first impression. There are a lot of manufacturers that wanted to make a kill of BMW 3 series, starting from mercedes, Audi, than Lexus, than Infinity etc. They all stumbled along the way and figured they have to play to their own advantages. Luxus did good with first gen. IS, just to realize that money is not there, and that it is easier to mumbo jumbo something from several different cars, and appeal to certain crowd. Infinity G35 was good attempt, it turned into complete turd. Now it is Hyundai's turn. They did basics right. Longitudinal engine, pushed back, LSD, manual etc. Everyone is praising it because the starting point is well, nonexistent. I had a chance to see one, hoping they have manual on the lot. Plastic is far class it is playing in. Gaps are ridiculous. Will never understand cheap illumination in these cars.
It is hard to go against BMW when vehicle has numerous compromises to cut cost. And, although F series BMW's are "not as good" (for BMW driving standard to be clear) these cars still have perfect weight balance, ridiculously precise steering, although feedback is muted compared to E models. When you making 45 years best luxury sport sedan, there is a lot of catching up to do by others.
 
Originally Posted by AZjeff
Isn't the reason to buy a $50k luxury Hyundai is because you think you're getting what costs $60k in a BMW or Mercedes or whatever?



More like 20-30grand since they both nickel and dime or in mercedes case your forced get some packages before you can even add certain specific features.

hyundia/kia/genesis just lack the horsepower and transmission programming and fuel economy
 
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Originally Posted by DaRider34
Originally Posted by AZjeff
Isn't the reason to buy a $50k luxury Hyundai is because you think you're getting what costs $60k in a BMW or Mercedes or whatever?



More like 20-30grand since they both nickel and dime or in mercedes case your forced get some packages before you can even add certain specific features.

hyundia/kia/genesis just lack the horsepower and transmission programming and fuel economy


I don't know about that part. MB typically discounts anywhere from 5-12% depending on the time of year. You can usually get at least 7% by doing European deliver and they don't charge the roughly $1000 destination charge so it's probably more like a little over 8% at a minimum although you'd probably have to spend close to that just for the trip to Germany. If you compare the option packages, usually Mercedes tends to have the most available options, not as many on the Japanese cars.
 
Originally Posted by Wolf359


I don't know about that part. MB typically discounts anywhere from 5-12% depending on the time of year. You can usually get at least 7% by doing European deliver and they don't charge the roughly $1000 destination charge so it's probably more like a little over 8% at a minimum although you'd probably have to spend close to that just for the trip to Germany. If you compare the option packages, usually Mercedes tends to have the most available options, not as many on the Japanese cars.



And genesis doesn't discount?

For example to add the Parking Assistance Package for $1090 to a c43 you must add the Driver Assistance Package for $1800, to add the Driver Assistance Package you must have Multimedia Package for $2300. So to spend 1090 on parking aids you must add another $4100 in options.
 
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Originally Posted by DaRider34
Originally Posted by Wolf359


I don't know about that part. MB typically discounts anywhere from 5-12% depending on the time of year. You can usually get at least 7% by doing European deliver and they don't charge the roughly $1000 destination charge so it's probably more like a little over 8% at a minimum although you'd probably have to spend close to that just for the trip to Germany. If you compare the option packages, usually Mercedes tends to have the most available options, not as many on the Japanese cars.



And genesis doesn't discount?

For example to add the Parking Assistance Package for $1090 to a c43 you must add the Driver Assistance Package for $1800, to add the Driver Assistance Package you must have Multimedia Package for $2300. So to spend 1090 on parking aids you must add another $4100 in options.





So?
 
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by DaRider34
Originally Posted by Wolf359


I don't know about that part. MB typically discounts anywhere from 5-12% depending on the time of year. You can usually get at least 7% by doing European deliver and they don't charge the roughly $1000 destination charge so it's probably more like a little over 8% at a minimum although you'd probably have to spend close to that just for the trip to Germany. If you compare the option packages, usually Mercedes tends to have the most available options, not as many on the Japanese cars.



And genesis doesn't discount?

For example to add the Parking Assistance Package for $1090 to a c43 you must add the Driver Assistance Package for $1800, to add the Driver Assistance Package you must have Multimedia Package for $2300. So to spend 1090 on parking aids you must add another $4100 in options.





So?


Yeah those are good options. I always bought ones that were loaded and had the P2 package or now the lighting package or the driver's assistance package. Hard to find one with the lighting, pano, driver's assistance package and parktronic.

As for whether Genisis discounts or not, well they all do, just depends how much. Sometimes it's hard to compare MSRP to MSRP because one make may discount more than the other.
 
Originally Posted by avacado11
So lately I've been seeing a lot of good things said about Genesis and their new G70. Went to the local Genesis dealer, which doesn't have their own showroom.

were you seriously interested in obtaining one or just bored and curious?
 
Originally Posted by Lolvoguy
Originally Posted by hallstevenson
Sounds like you're judging the dealership more than the car. Even with the (2) problems you saw with the car (bumper and window molding), another dealer might not allow that and would have it fixed on their own.

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Dunno about the rest of you, but I buy my cars based on the car, not the dealership.
Unless, that's where you plan on spending most of your time with your new car
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I like spending my time behind the wheel!
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True, but the experience is a key factor. Because when you do have an issue with the car, it'll decide wether or not your car gets fixed or not.

So I figured maybe it's just the dealership. Went to another Hyundai dealership today, they didn't have Genesis, but they did have a $50 test drive offer which brought me to them. Get $50 to look at a Ioniq? Of course I'd take up on the deal, being that those cars are kinda new.
Same deal, couldn't find a sales person. Didn't even have ioniqs in stock. So whatever, I go to Kia next door curious about the Telluride. None in stock because they sell so quick. Look at a Stinger 2.0t, drove better than the G70. Less body roll around corners. But they tried so hard trying to sell me the stinger when I first went in looking at a telluride. IMO that the overall experience from Hyundai/Genesis and Kia dealer's does not match the higher end cars they're trying to push. I can comfortably walk into BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Lexus and be able to look at a car without the sales manager breathing down my neck trying to make a sale.

Originally Posted by dwcopple
Originally Posted by avacado11
So lately I've been seeing a lot of good things said about Genesis and their new G70. Went to the local Genesis dealer, which doesn't have their own showroom.

were you seriously interested in obtaining one or just bored and curious?


I was bored and curious, wanted to see what Genesis was all about and possibly making it a genuine option when it comes time for me to purchase a new car.

Didn't get a good first impression from Hyundai/Kia/Genesis from the start. I can say I'm less likely to buy one unless they come out with something absolutely crazy. Like a supercar or something. Anybody can build a luxury sedan.
 
Originally Posted by avacado11
Originally Posted by Lolvoguy
Originally Posted by hallstevenson
Sounds like you're judging the dealership more than the car. Even with the (2) problems you saw with the car (bumper and window molding), another dealer might not allow that and would have it fixed on their own.

01.gif


Dunno about the rest of you, but I buy my cars based on the car, not the dealership.
Unless, that's where you plan on spending most of your time with your new car
smirk.gif


I like spending my time behind the wheel!
19.gif



True, but the experience is a key factor. Because when you do have an issue with the car, it'll decide wether or not your car gets fixed or not.

So I figured maybe it's just the dealership. Went to another Hyundai dealership today, they didn't have Genesis, but they did have a $50 test drive offer which brought me to them. Get $50 to look at a Ioniq? Of course I'd take up on the deal, being that those cars are kinda new.
Same deal, couldn't find a sales person. Didn't even have ioniqs in stock. So whatever, I go to Kia next door curious about the Telluride. None in stock because they sell so quick. Look at a Stinger 2.0t, drove better than the G70. Less body roll around corners. But they tried so hard trying to sell me the stinger when I first went in looking at a telluride. IMO that the overall experience from Hyundai/Genesis and Kia dealer's does not match the higher end cars they're trying to push. I can comfortably walk into BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Lexus and be able to look at a car without the sales manager breathing down my neck trying to make a sale.

Originally Posted by dwcopple
Originally Posted by avacado11
So lately I've been seeing a lot of good things said about Genesis and their new G70. Went to the local Genesis dealer, which doesn't have their own showroom.

were you seriously interested in obtaining one or just bored and curious?


I was bored and curious, wanted to see what Genesis was all about and possibly making it a genuine option when it comes time for me to purchase a new car.

Didn't get a good first impression from Hyundai/Kia/Genesis from the start. I can say I'm less likely to buy one unless they come out with something absolutely crazy. Like a supercar or something. Anybody can build a luxury sedan.



Perhaps the sales people were quick to peg you as a looky Lou. And that's the experience you received.
 
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Originally Posted by Leo99
Originally Posted by avacado11
Originally Posted by Lolvoguy
Originally Posted by hallstevenson
Sounds like you're judging the dealership more than the car. Even with the (2) problems you saw with the car (bumper and window molding), another dealer might not allow that and would have it fixed on their own.

01.gif


Dunno about the rest of you, but I buy my cars based on the car, not the dealership.
Unless, that's where you plan on spending most of your time with your new car
smirk.gif


I like spending my time behind the wheel!
19.gif



True, but the experience is a key factor. Because when you do have an issue with the car, it'll decide wether or not your car gets fixed or not.

So I figured maybe it's just the dealership. Went to another Hyundai dealership today, they didn't have Genesis, but they did have a $50 test drive offer which brought me to them. Get $50 to look at a Ioniq? Of course I'd take up on the deal, being that those cars are kinda new.
Same deal, couldn't find a sales person. Didn't even have ioniqs in stock. So whatever, I go to Kia next door curious about the Telluride. None in stock because they sell so quick. Look at a Stinger 2.0t, drove better than the G70. Less body roll around corners. But they tried so hard trying to sell me the stinger when I first went in looking at a telluride. IMO that the overall experience from Hyundai/Genesis and Kia dealer's does not match the higher end cars they're trying to push. I can comfortably walk into BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Lexus and be able to look at a car without the sales manager breathing down my neck trying to make a sale.

Originally Posted by dwcopple
Originally Posted by avacado11
So lately I've been seeing a lot of good things said about Genesis and their new G70. Went to the local Genesis dealer, which doesn't have their own showroom.

were you seriously interested in obtaining one or just bored and curious?


I was bored and curious, wanted to see what Genesis was all about and possibly making it a genuine option when it comes time for me to purchase a new car.

Didn't get a good first impression from Hyundai/Kia/Genesis from the start. I can say I'm less likely to buy one unless they come out with something absolutely crazy. Like a supercar or something. Anybody can build a luxury sedan.



Perhaps the sales people were quick to peg you as a looky Lou. And that's the experience you received.


I've had it both ways....vultures and sales people who pretend they don't care. Sometimes I think the latter is intentional - they're trying to not be too pushy but instead they come off as disinterested. I guess it's a balance between being receptive to a buyer's needs without being pushy.
 
When I worked as a product specialist at BMW I could also sell cars if the salespeople were all busy with clients. I had more than one client return because I didn't pressure them when they first visited the dealership.
Likewise, I never "pre-qualified" potential clients; some blue collar customers paid in cash and were often much more pleasant to deal with than an executive worth $10,000,000.
 
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