Kia Stinger and Genesis G70

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by MCompact
The only newer BMW cars that I will consider are the M cars and the M Performance cars; long gone are the days when every new BMW actually drove like a BMW.

Let's see new 3 series. As far as I know double wishbone is back. But who knows.
I am getting in 2020 my daily driver, thinking of good preserved E90 335i xDrive. Though RWD would be better, I spend twice a week driving mountains roads to go to ski, so AWD is handy. But if I cannot find on with sport or M package, stick, in good condition, I might get S4. It seems S4's are more readily available. From what I figured, BMW owners of stick shifts really cling on their cars.
Not sure about F30. Drove a lot 328, 330i and that steering feel and that McPherson in front were really annoying me. But than, I had E70 35d back than, and I was comparing that steering feel which was pure joy.
After Toyota and Tiguan, I might be more forgiving to F30

Going to topic, it is good that company that sells appliances had courage to put longitudinal engine and some other stuff in it and offers for that money. I hope they will sell bunch of these, so we see less Lexuses ES on the road (highly doubt).

 

[wemay]

G70

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by MCompact
Sad to say, most BMW drivers are no longer enthusiasts; instead they are "wearers" who consider their car to be a fashion accessory- the folks who think that trailing throttle oversteer is a band that used to open for Journey.

Absolutely. The reason why BMW went to electromagnetic steering are those people.


MPG and HP. Once Porsche gave the green light by introducing electric steering it was game over.

My two cents

 

[MCompact]

Most people-even enthusiasts, sadly- equate steering feel with steering effort.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by MCompact
Most people-even enthusiasts, sadly- equate steering feel with steering effort.

I think feel is out, it is not effort. It is precise, meaning it goes where you point (unlike for example in my Toyota, which when you turn steering it's anybody guess where it is going to end up), but return information is numb in F30, IMO.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted by MCompact
Sad to say, most BMW drivers are no longer enthusiasts; instead they are "wearers" who consider their car to be a fashion accessory- the folks who think that trailing throttle oversteer is a band that used to open for Journey.


I'd argue that the Genesis and Stinger are really the same thing. How can I have a wannabe status symbol for less money? Why else would a low-market brand create an "upscale" brand in an already congested space of the originals and the Japanese knockoffs?

Stinger is kind of interesting but it's still a Kia with red painted calipers that screams boy racer.

 

[Brigadier]

Originally Posted by JHZR2
Originally Posted by MCompact
Sad to say, most BMW drivers are no longer enthusiasts; instead they are "wearers" who consider their car to be a fashion accessory- the folks who think that trailing throttle oversteer is a band that used to open for Journey.


I'd argue that the Genesis and Stinger are really the same thing. How can I have a wannabe status symbol for less money? Why else would a low-market brand create an "upscale" brand in an already congested space of the originals and the Japanese knockoffs?

Stinger is kind of interesting but it's still a Kia with red painted calipers that screams boy racer.


Maybe because you won't have to have the engine's low end rebuilt at 70k miles?

And would you label the Giulia Quadrifoglio the same?

 

[MCompact]

Originally Posted by Brigadier

Maybe because you won't have to have the engine's low end[sic] rebuilt at 70k miles?


Interesting; how many BMWs have you owned that required the bottom end to be rebuilt?
I must be an outlier; out of the 11 BMWs I have owned over the past 35 years I've owned 7 past 130k miles- and three of those served as my HPDE car.
Number of bottom end rebuilds?
Zero.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by Brigadier
Originally Posted by JHZR2
Originally Posted by MCompact
Sad to say, most BMW drivers are no longer enthusiasts; instead they are "wearers" who consider their car to be a fashion accessory- the folks who think that trailing throttle oversteer is a band that used to open for Journey.


I'd argue that the Genesis and Stinger are really the same thing. How can I have a wannabe status symbol for less money? Why else would a low-market brand create an "upscale" brand in an already congested space of the originals and the Japanese knockoffs?

Stinger is kind of interesting but it's still a Kia with red painted calipers that screams boy racer.


Maybe because you won't have to have the engine's low end rebuilt at 70k miles?

And would you label the Giulia Quadrifoglio the same?


I hope this comment is tongue-in-cheek and you are aware that not every BMW has bottom-end problems, in fact the vast, VAST majority don't, even amongst the high-strung M-cars.

I traded my 2001 E39 M5 (best driving car I've ever owned) with 178,481Km (111,000 miles) on it for a 2014 Charger SRT, which I kept for about a year before trading it on the Jeep in my sig. There are guys on M5board pushing close to 300,000 miles on factory original S62's. Some guys who track their cars regularly have proactively changed their rod bearings, but the majority of them still on the road are still on the stock bottom ends.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Brigadier
Originally Posted by JHZR2
Originally Posted by MCompact
Sad to say, most BMW drivers are no longer enthusiasts; instead they are "wearers" who consider their car to be a fashion accessory- the folks who think that trailing throttle oversteer is a band that used to open for Journey.


I'd argue that the Genesis and Stinger are really the same thing. How can I have a wannabe status symbol for less money? Why else would a low-market brand create an "upscale" brand in an already congested space of the originals and the Japanese knockoffs?

Stinger is kind of interesting but it's still a Kia with red painted calipers that screams boy racer.


Maybe because you won't have to have the engine's low end rebuilt at 70k miles?

And would you label the Giulia Quadrifoglio the same?

Can you tell me which low end rebuilt I suppose to do on my E61 525d with some 320k (miles) before I sold it, that was still capable of 145mph on European roads?
Just wanna know so I can tell person I sold it to.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by JHZR2
Originally Posted by MCompact
Sad to say, most BMW drivers are no longer enthusiasts; instead they are "wearers" who consider their car to be a fashion accessory- the folks who think that trailing throttle oversteer is a band that used to open for Journey.


I'd argue that the Genesis and Stinger are really the same thing. How can I have a wannabe status symbol for less money? Why else would a low-market brand create an "upscale" brand in an already congested space of the originals and the Japanese knockoffs?

Stinger is kind of interesting but it's still a Kia with red painted calipers that screams boy racer.

Infiniti G35: BMW killer! It never was, Nissan dropped that attempt and found itself their own audience.
Lexus IS: BMW killer: It never was, Lexus even introduced inline six just to lure in BMW customers. They figured out fast that now traditional BMW owner will come, so they quickly shifted gear, put engines from regular Toyota's and found themselves their own audience that is not 134 years old.
Acura/Honda: God knows what those people are doing, but transverse engines and European Honda's sold as Acuras will not cut it.

Now it is time for Hyundai. It is good start, longitudinal engine, RWD, but they better find themselves their own audience.

 

[Brigadier]

Wow. Look like all the fanboys' panties are twisted. I just am going by observing what other owners are reporting. Sorry.

I used to work with a guy that had a 5 series wagon with a V8. He had to totally rebuild is under 100k mile engine....

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4960041/s65-m3-engine#Post4960041

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by Brigadier
Wow. Look like all the fanboys' panties are twisted. I just am going by observing what other owners are reporting. Sorry.

I used to work with a guy that had a 5 series wagon with a V8. He had to totally rebuild is under 100k mile engine....

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4960041/s65-m3-engine#Post4960041



I don't think BMW owners responding to a wildly hyperbolic claim by calling it such classifies as panties in a twist. Realigning the claim that BMW's need bottom-end work before 70K with the fact that there were a couple of S-series engines from the M cars that were hard on rod bearings is simply bringing things back to reality. Hyundai managed to produce a non-performance engine that would lunch itself to death which actually resulted in a recall and that they claimed was due to casting sand, and this wasn't a high performance mill rev'ing to 8K being frequently tracked.

Originally Posted by CTV
Hyundai recalled about 470,000 vehicles in September of 2015 because manufacturing debris could have restricted oil flow to connecting rod bearings. That can cause bearings in four-cylinder engines to wear and fail. The repair is an expensive engine block replacement.

In March of last year, the automakers issued two more recalls covering 1.2 million additional vehicles with the same engine problem.


But hey, Hyundai gets a free pass, right?

 

[Brigadier]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL


But hey, Hyundai gets a free pass, right?

Show me where I said that.

 

[MCompact]

People who have never even sat in a BMW always know more about them than actual owners.

 

[02SE]

Originally Posted by MCompact
People who have never even sat in a BMW always know more about them than actual owners.


That seems to be true of anything. I've had random strangers tell me (unsolicited I might add) all about most of my vehicles, based on some magazine article they read, or the 2nd cousin of their brother-in-law who considered buying one on a Tuesday...

 

[Brigadier]

Originally Posted by MCompact
People who have never even sat in a BMW always know more about them than actual owners.



I've ridden in coworkers' Bimmers. Underwhelming to say the least.

In fact, our VP Engineering just got rid of his 525i. Too needy.



But then again, I drive a Hyundai after being a GM fanboy for decades, I don't shop at Walmart, don't run Supertech oil or Fram filters, and I love my family too much to use RT43 tires. So I am not a BITG sheep.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Brigadier
Originally Posted by MCompact
People who have never even sat in a BMW always know more about them than actual owners.



I've ridden in coworkers' Bimmers. Underwhelming to say the least.

In fact, our VP Engineering just got rid of his 525i. Too needy.



But then again, I drive a Hyundai after being a GM fanboy for decades, I don't shop at Walmart, don't run Supertech oil or Fram filters, and I love my family too much to use RT43 tires. So I am not a BITG sheep.

So you went from bankrupt product to start up and know everything about BMW. But hey, you were passenger in one.

 

[Joe1]

I was intrigued by reading this thread and decided to research the G70. The reviews are very positive....much more than l ever anticipated. I have no idea if it is the BMW 3 series beater or not, but it sure was exciting reading about it.

I heard the hype in 1981 that the Chevy Cavalier was the Corolla and Civic beater, in 05 that the Cobalt was the answer to dethrone the Civic and Corolla and in 2011 that the Cruze was the legitimate Corolla and Civic slayer. That hype never materialized. Maybe the G70 hype is legitimate and it will dethrone the 3 series. Maybe it will not. Only time will tell.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Joe1
I was intrigued by reading this thread and decided to research the G70. The reviews are very positive....much more than l ever anticipated. I have no idea if it is the BMW 3 series beater or not, but it sure was exciting reading about it.

I heard the hype in 1981 that the Chevy Cavalier was the Corolla and Civic beater, in 05 that the Cobalt was the answer to dethrone the Civic and Corolla and in 2011 that the Cruze was the legitimate Corolla and Civic slayer. That hype never materialized. Maybe the G70 hype is legitimate and it will dethrone the 3 series. Maybe it will not. Only time will tell.

It is good car. I personally think it is better driving car, BY FAR than comparable Asian products.
Like I said before, there were numerous BMW 3 killers, including Audi A4 and MB 190 and later C class.
They both developed their own customer base, and went from focusing on BMW to focus on their advantages (Audi on probably best AWD and performance ins now in business) and MB on its comfort/luxury side.