Gasoline additive with friction modifiers?

[dgpretzel]

I recently watched Lake Speed's video about the benefit of wear reduction additives in gasoline!

Motor Oil Geek- wear reduction fuel additives

That was a new idea to me. Unfortunately, there is no Shell (or any Top Tier) gas within 500 miles of where I live (Southeast Alaska).

Does any know if there are any fuel additives that contain any friction modifiers?

Thank you.

DG

 

[Speedbird001]

2-stroke oil? But long term use will probably mess up emissions stuff/sensors, catalytic converters and residue offsetting any real world benefit.

BUT, I recall a few years ago, Ferrari F-1 team got their hand smacked: Basically they manipulated something so the engine was purposely burning oil (Small amount I guess) increasing compression ratio and some other stuff. Probably only a fraction of a percent, but in F1 every single bit matters.

 

[rstsco]

Does any know if there are any fuel additives that contain any friction modifiers?

I believe there are many on the market. All I'm familiar with is Amsoil's Upper Cylinder Lubricant. Is it snake oil? I doubt it. Is it going to hurt any downstream components when used as directed? I highly doubt it.

If cleaning injectors is your goal, use a product like Chevron Techron Complete Fuel System cleaner or other product high in PEA (Chevon invented it). Looks like NAPA has a darn good sale on it, $12.99/32oz! Amsoil has a similar product, P.i. Performance Improver. The Upper Cylinder Lube has a much smaller amount of PEA than the Chevron or Amsoil fuel system cleaners.

Please remember, no amount of fuel additives, whether in Top Tier fuel, or a bottle, will save intake valves from carbon deposits on a direct injection only engine, as the fuel does not touch the valves, other than their face inside the cylinders.

 

[Zee09]

I'd research the gas brands that you have in your area as some go in and out of TT only because they won't pay the price of admission. An example is Sunoco in prior years.

 

[shortyb]

Two products I've used in the past that also touted having upper cylinder lubricating benefits, and both being bio-based, were FP+ (Lube Control/Fuel Power) and Renewable Lubricants (RLI) Bio-Plus fuel injector cleaner. Still have almost a gallon of the RLI on the shelf, but haven't used it in a while.

 

[y_p_w]

Red-Line claims that SI-1 has an upper cylinder lubricant.

 

[ARB1977]

I use redline.

 

[ChrisD46]

You could also try MMO (300:1) or TCW-3 oil (640:1) in the gas .

 

[doverlabs]

I believe there are many on the market. All I'm familiar with is Amsoil's Upper Cylinder Lubricant. Is it snake oil? I doubt it. Is it going to hurt any downstream components when used as directed? I highly doubt it.

If cleaning injectors is your goal, use a product like Chevron Techron Complete Fuel System cleaner or other product high in PEA (Chevon invented it). Looks like NAPA has a darn good sale on it, $12.99/32oz! Amsoil has a similar product, P.i. Performance Improver. The Upper Cylinder Lube has a much smaller amount of PEA than the Chevron or Amsoil fuel system cleaners.

Please remember, no amount of fuel additives, whether in Top Tier fuel, or a bottle, will save intake valves from carbon deposits on a direct injection only engine, as the fuel does not touch the valves, other than their face inside the cylinders.

The upper end lubes reduce wear on the pistons, rings, cylinder walls. If you add it to your WMI tank, your valve seats will thank you since they get real badly beat up from the methanol.

With E85, the upper end lube has a noticeable impact on blow by and reduces it to a point better than I get on pure gasoline.

 

[rstsco]

Even with running AMSOIL Signature Series, the use of 87 octane Top Tier fuel, intermittent use of Amsoil Upper Cylinder Lubricant, and a bottle of Redline SI-1 prior to the last oil change at 5.6k OCI, there was quite a bit of carbon particles in the oil filter media, something I wasn't expecting. My wife had taken a 4k road trip during this interval, and I suspect the Pilot had the VCM active a lot of this time.

I'm currently running only premium, Top Tier fuel, almost exclusively Shell V-Power Nitro+, and no other fuel system additives. I'm beginning to believe the carbon is due to Honda's VCM system and will be doing more testing in those regards.

The upper end lubes reduce wear on the pistons, rings, cylinder walls. If you add it to your WMI tank, your valve seats will thank you since they get real badly beat up from the methanol.

With E85, the upper end lube has a noticeable impact on blow by and reduces it to a point better than I get on pure gasoline.

You've completely lost me since you've quoted my post. The 2025 Honda J35Y8 engine is not approved for E85 fuel, nor does it have a methanol injection system.

 

[doverlabs]

That was a general commentary on upper cylinder lubricants (that actually work) based on some of the incredible leaps of misinformation posted earlier in the thread.