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OK, its not yet exactly high mileage, but since there's a dearth of anything except "DexCool pictures of the day," here's a G05 picture of the day:

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Zerex G05 (hence the gold color) in my '66 Dodge, 440 v8, custom aluminum radiator by Radman1853, 2 years, about 20k miles. Drained for an electric fan install, same coolant is going back in. I've got it stored in cleaned white windshield-washer fluid bottles- so it looks like I'm storing urine specimens from a brontosaurus in my garage
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My wife's 05 PT Cruiser still has its factory fill at almost 5 years and 50k, when I change it out sometime around spring I'll see if I can get any telling photos there. As it is, the only thing you can see is the coolant in the overflow bottle, which looks brand new but that doesn't really say much. I may pull a hose and see if I can get a shot down into the radiator hot-side tank.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
2 yrs / 20k is not a real long time...


+1 2yrs/20k is meaningless. Dexcool would look brand new as well. The real telling pics would be 5+ years 100k+ miles.
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Heck with the radiator, I want to see pictures of the 66 Dodge and a snap shot under the hood of the 440 v8.


Ask and ye shall receive:

Car:
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Under hood, but prior to the alum. radiator:
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"2 yrs / 20k is not a real long time... "

"+1 2yrs/20k is meaningless."



I'm trying real hard not to be an obnoxious git in this response to you guys (you should see what I typed before thinking better of it
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), but I SAID that it isn't any long-term proof in my post if you read what I typed. However, I think it is of interest because this is an old engine retrofitted to G05. I just happened to have my radiator empty and snapped a shot- isn't that the kind of info we're supposed to share here? And of course I'll snap pictures with more miles on it in years to come (provided I don't die of aggravation first.) Its called documentation of an experiment IN PROGRESS. Lighten up, guys.

And by the way, you may be right that DexCool would look the same in this situation, but frankly I kinda doubt that: an old-design iron block and head engine, entrained-air type cooling system with an open overflow bottle? Perfect recipe for DexCool breakdown, actually. The only thing missing is a wet intake gasket.
 
Cool, my Dad had one of those when I was a kid. The dealer gave me a plastic replica but I was playing with it outside and some bully came along and smashed it.
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I wish I still had it.

John
 
My dad had one too. Light blue/green but with just the 383. I drove it to school for 6 months while I was 16 until I bought something for myself.
 
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Wish the vehicles these days had that much room under the hood! Much easier to work on everything.


Yes, its quite a contrast to have that beast parked next to my wife's PT
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Of course an old F-150 with a 300 six and no AC makes the Polara look complicated
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
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"2 yrs / 20k is not a real long time... "

"+1 2yrs/20k is meaningless."



I'm trying real hard not to be an obnoxious git in this response to you guys (you should see what I typed before thinking better of it
wink.gif
), but I SAID that it isn't any long-term proof in my post if you read what I typed. However, I think it is of interest because this is an old engine retrofitted to G05. I just happened to have my radiator empty and snapped a shot- isn't that the kind of info we're supposed to share here? And of course I'll snap pictures with more miles on it in years to come (provided I don't die of aggravation first.) Its called documentation of an experiment IN PROGRESS. Lighten up, guys.

And by the way, you may be right that DexCool would look the same in this situation, but frankly I kinda doubt that: an old-design iron block and head engine, entrained-air type cooling system with an open overflow bottle? Perfect recipe for DexCool breakdown, actually. The only thing missing is a wet intake gasket.


I agree I would never put Dexcool in that engine. I would use green Prestone.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Heck with the radiator, I want to see pictures of the 66 Dodge and a snap shot under the hood of the 440 v8.


Ask and ye shall receive:

Car:
Front.jpg


Under hood, but prior to the alum. radiator:
AC_kit_Finished1.jpg




Very nice. '66 and '67 was a very good year just pre-emissions. I noticed they didn't use a heat riser on the air cleaner snorkel. Does it have a heat riser valve in the exhaust or would have one stock? What kind of carb do you run? I notice you add an A/C, I assume an after market one. I guess you need one of those in TX.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx


Very nice. '66 and '67 was a very good year just pre-emissions. I noticed they didn't use a heat riser on the air cleaner snorkel. Does it have a heat riser valve in the exhaust or would have one stock? What kind of carb do you run? I notice you add an A/C, I assume an after market one. I guess you need one of those in TX.


First year for heat-stove snorkels on Federal emissions cars was '68. That dual-snorkel aircleaner is actually off a '69 Newport that had a factory 383 Super Commando (it was a rare car to be found in a junkyard, but it was past saving and I grabbed a ton of factory hi-po parts off that one
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) I'm not sure how they got away without heat stoves on it, but the hi-po packages seemed to not get them until the early 70s. Guess there were some exceptions allowed.

It does have a heat riser and manifold crossover- both disabled (butterfly cut off the riser inside the pass side exhaust manifold, crossover passage blocked with a FelPro blocker gasket). I'm running an Edelbrock Thunder Series carb (aka a new-production Carter AVS) with electric choke, which combined with Texas weather rarely getting below 20F lets me get away without the heat crossover just fine. The aluminum Mopar Performance intake helps too.

Its factory air car and I had the factory RV2 compressor on it up until about 3 years ago, working great on R-134a. My '69 Coronet still has an RV2 on R-134a. I gave serious thought to keeping it on the '66 but it does weigh a TON. Its also getting darn near impossible to find them in good condition and most rebuilds don't last more than a couple of years, so I put on a brand new Sanden. The mounting kit (and compressor) are from Classic Auto Air in Florida- great outfit. Vintage Aire in San Antonio is better known, but they're more into full AC systems for hotrods, whereas Classic Auto Air has bracket and hose kits for just changing an old compressor to a modern one while using all the original air ducts, evaporator, condensor, etc. that was already there.

I rebuilt this car to be a daily driver, and it is. I love the way muscle cars drive (call me crazy if you want, but I like to have my backside kicked hard when I mash the skinny pedal). This 4-door isn't collectible, so if a doofus on a cell phone in his BMW stuffs himself in my fenderwell its not the end of my world- which it would be if it were a real'68 Charger R/T, '67 GTX, etc. Its got everything to make it reliable and competent for modern traffic- big disk brakes, electronic ignition, modern AC compressor, sticky tires on 80s copcar rims, sway bars, bulletproof cooling system, big modern alternator, the works. Gas mileage still stinks, but I have a short (and fun!) commute ;-)
 
Originally Posted By: PT1


I agree I would never put Dexcool in that engine. I would use green Prestone.


I would too, if it still existed. Yes, you can still get conventional green (not Prestone, AFAIK their "green" is now "all makes all models" Dexclone with 2EHA, but Peak/Old World Industries green is still out there). But I figure green high-silicate is going the way of the dinosaur soon. That's why I started this experiment to see if the claims about G05 being great for old engines were true. So far, I think they are. When I've had the t-stat housing off to change to a different temp, the iron parts looked absolutely great- nice grey coating from the organic acids looking very uniform, no hint of rust at all, no degradation, sediment, or sludge at all. It looked very much like virgin iron treated with phospooric acid (naval jelly) to prevent rust. I imagine Japanese-style P-OAT would work also, but given that Ford and Chrysler (and many other diesel manufacturers who still use iron blocks) went with G05, they probably did so for a good reason.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum

I rebuilt this car to be a daily driver, and it is. I love the way muscle cars drive (call me crazy if you want, but I like to have my backside kicked hard when I mash the skinny pedal). This 4-door isn't collectible, so if a doofus on a cell phone in his BMW stuffs himself in my fenderwell its not the end of my world- which it would be if it were a real'68 Charger R/T, '67 GTX, etc. Its got everything to make it reliable and competent for modern traffic- big disk brakes, electronic ignition, modern AC compressor, sticky tires on 80s copcar rims, sway bars, bulletproof cooling system, big modern alternator, the works. Gas mileage still stinks, but I have a short (and fun!) commute ;-)


You could buy collectible car insurance to prevent damage to a classic car to be such a financial catastrophe.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: mechanicx


Very nice. '66 and '67 was a very good year just pre-emissions. I noticed they didn't use a heat riser on the air cleaner snorkel. Does it have a heat riser valve in the exhaust or would have one stock? What kind of carb do you run? I notice you add an A/C, I assume an after market one. I guess you need one of those in TX.


First year for heat-stove snorkels on Federal emissions cars was '68. That dual-snorkel aircleaner is actually off a '69 Newport that had a factory 383 Super Commando (it was a rare car to be found in a junkyard, but it was past saving and I grabbed a ton of factory hi-po parts off that one
wink.gif
) I'm not sure how they got away without heat stoves on it, but the hi-po packages seemed to not get them until the early 70s. Guess there were some exceptions allowed.

It does have a heat riser and manifold crossover- both disabled (butterfly cut off the riser inside the pass side exhaust manifold, crossover passage blocked with a FelPro blocker gasket). I'm running an Edelbrock Thunder Series carb (aka a new-production Carter AVS) with electric choke, which combined with Texas weather rarely getting below 20F lets me get away without the heat crossover just fine. The aluminum Mopar Performance intake helps too.

Its factory air car and I had the factory RV2 compressor on it up until about 3 years ago, working great on R-134a. My '69 Coronet still has an RV2 on R-134a. I gave serious thought to keeping it on the '66 but it does weigh a TON. Its also getting darn near impossible to find them in good condition and most rebuilds don't last more than a couple of years, so I put on a brand new Sanden. The mounting kit (and compressor) are from Classic Auto Air in Florida- great outfit. Vintage Aire in San Antonio is better known, but they're more into full AC systems for hotrods, whereas Classic Auto Air has bracket and hose kits for just changing an old compressor to a modern one while using all the original air ducts, evaporator, condensor, etc. that was already there.

I rebuilt this car to be a daily driver, and it is. I love the way muscle cars drive (call me crazy if you want, but I like to have my backside kicked hard when I mash the skinny pedal). This 4-door isn't collectible, so if a doofus on a cell phone in his BMW stuffs himself in my fenderwell its not the end of my world- which it would be if it were a real'68 Charger R/T, '67 GTX, etc. Its got everything to make it reliable and competent for modern traffic- big disk brakes, electronic ignition, modern AC compressor, sticky tires on 80s copcar rims, sway bars, bulletproof cooling system, big modern alternator, the works. Gas mileage still stinks, but I have a short (and fun!) commute ;-)



Sounds like a really nice set up. The dual snorkel is better than an open element for street IMO. I think the AVS is a great street carb, better than a Holley. With the heat riser blocked and an AVS I bet that 440 really moves. 'vealso heard Sanden A/C compressor were one of the best. I was just curious if you were using POE or PAG compressor oil with th R134a? Sounds like you know your classic cars.

In regard to the classic Green anti-freeze both Peak and Zerex still sell it. It is low silicate but about what silicates is in G-05. I prefer the Zerex Green. I have no use for Prestone any more, they don't even have Green or G-05 that I know of, just Dexclone. But G-05 is fine for older cars and as a bonus longer life. I also agree with you that Asian is good but I think it's more geared toward all aluminum or bi-metal engines than all iron like Green and G-05 is.
 
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Do you have any problem with the carb draining if it sits a few days? I put a brand new Edelbrock AFB copy on my pickup and it it sits 2 days unused it will be empty.

Never had that problem with my Holley.
 
I'm not sure that that is normal but maybe 440Magnum might know better. I'm sure you were really asking him anyway lol. I'm thinking you might be missing or have a bad fuel filter check valve somewhere maybe. Fuel bowl control is one knock on the Carter design though. But even the Holley can't hold a candle there to the Q-Jet. Those carbs will control fuel bowl levels at extreme off-roading angles, but they are somewhat limited in bowl capacity.
 
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