ok I need a fuel pump for my 2008 chevy uplander ls 3.9l it is a gas veh. I do also run e85 once in a while. I am looking at either a gm 19300459 or gm 19300460 pump. I think the only difference being for e85 capability. I think they are the same pump physically and either would fit my vehicle. however I cannot get anyone local via dealership to confirm this. since I do also run the e85 my thought is that I should use the e85 spec pump 19300460. anyone here have a way to know for sure?
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The E85 pump most likely has a higher GPH output than the non E85 pump. Thats due to the lower fuel mileage one gets using E85 vs E10 requiring the fuel pump to handle more stress. The E85 fuel pump is also built tone gate the damaging effects of E85.
To negate, not tone gate.
E85 capability is the difference between those two P/Ns, but the catalog doesn't tell me if that is the ONLY difference. Your local dealers don't want to be on the hook for something they can't verify, so that's why they won't confirm anything other than what comes up by your VIN.
Both pumps are the same price and both are readily available.
If your vehicle is flex fuel capable, and you use E85, you really need to use the flex fuel capable pump. I wouldn't chance anything else.
Both pumps are the same price and both are readily available.
If your vehicle is flex fuel capable, and you use E85, you really need to use the flex fuel capable pump. I wouldn't chance anything else.
actually I have the gas version VIN 1GNDV2318 8D104573 BUT I do sometimes use e85 so I was thinking I would be better off getting the e85 19300460 pump. assuming everything else being the same it should fit and work.
FYI problem I am having is that it is leaking at the high pressure nipple. pump works just fine other than it is spraying gas onto the bottom of the van then leaking down side of tank and onto ground leaving puddles everywhere. I fear cigarettes etc as a fire hazard. also I am only getting about 2 miles to the gallon as I am leaking as much as I am burning! we tried to seal the leak but nothing sticks to that kind of plastic. so new pump is needed.
Before I shell out $500 + to the dealership for a pump I want to make sure that it will work. I have to special order with dealership as no one has one I was told at least 3 days to get one from local parts stores and the dealer price is actually cheaper anyway and dealer can get one in 1 day. I can get one cheaper online but then it is a long ship time and like I said I am leaking it as fast as I can put it in.
FYI problem I am having is that it is leaking at the high pressure nipple. pump works just fine other than it is spraying gas onto the bottom of the van then leaking down side of tank and onto ground leaving puddles everywhere. I fear cigarettes etc as a fire hazard. also I am only getting about 2 miles to the gallon as I am leaking as much as I am burning! we tried to seal the leak but nothing sticks to that kind of plastic. so new pump is needed.
Before I shell out $500 + to the dealership for a pump I want to make sure that it will work. I have to special order with dealership as no one has one I was told at least 3 days to get one from local parts stores and the dealer price is actually cheaper anyway and dealer can get one in 1 day. I can get one cheaper online but then it is a long ship time and like I said I am leaking it as fast as I can put it in.
In a flex fuel vehicle, there are probably a number of things different in the fuel system beyond just the pump module. Even if you can fit a flex fuel pump to your van, the engine management is different and possibly some of the materials used are different.
You could find someone with both modules in stock and take a look at them side by side, but beyond that it's anyone's guess if they are interchangeable as far as fitment. GM will not tell you. Again, just changing the module won't make it ethanol capable anyway.
I'd probably put the original type module in the van, and stick to regular gas.
You could find someone with both modules in stock and take a look at them side by side, but beyond that it's anyone's guess if they are interchangeable as far as fitment. GM will not tell you. Again, just changing the module won't make it ethanol capable anyway.
I'd probably put the original type module in the van, and stick to regular gas.
Buy the correct pump - if your vehicle is not E85, just replacing the pump does not make you E85 ready because the other fuel lines are different as there is a sensor in the lines to allow the PCM to determine the gas percentage of ethanol. The PCM programming is different too.
Lastly - get your pump from Rockauto. I got the same GM pump the dealer had for LESS money from Rockauto. The pump was listed as $450, my GM price was $375...Rockauto was $188.....which is just a few dollars over the list price the dealer pays for the part.
Looking in my GM catalog here is what I get (your VIN you posted was not correct):
2008 3.9 Uplander
GAS - Fuel pump #23106139 (AC delco #M100114) MSRP $434.36 (dealer pays 217.78!)
FLEX FUEL - fuel pump #23106138 (AC DELCO #M100113) MSRP $421.70 (dealer $210.85!)
ROCK AUTO price for the same M100114 pump is $198.79 BEFORE using a 5% discount code.
Lastly - get your pump from Rockauto. I got the same GM pump the dealer had for LESS money from Rockauto. The pump was listed as $450, my GM price was $375...Rockauto was $188.....which is just a few dollars over the list price the dealer pays for the part.
Looking in my GM catalog here is what I get (your VIN you posted was not correct):
2008 3.9 Uplander
GAS - Fuel pump #23106139 (AC delco #M100114) MSRP $434.36 (dealer pays 217.78!)
FLEX FUEL - fuel pump #23106138 (AC DELCO #M100113) MSRP $421.70 (dealer $210.85!)
ROCK AUTO price for the same M100114 pump is $198.79 BEFORE using a 5% discount code.
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I was always impressed that GM has a true 100% markup they give dealers. Ford does not by a longshot.
OK first I want to thank all who have posted! However I think we are getting a little off the point.
1 I am going to replace pump no matter what since it is leaking bad.
2 I know that just replacing the pump will not completely make vehicle e85 compatible that is not my intent. But since I do run e85 on occaision would I not be better off to install the 19300460 e85 pump assuming it fits the same?
3 I know I can get MUCH cheaper online however I am looking at the cost of gas being dumped on the ground while waiting on shipping vs getting one sooner locally.
FYI all parts stores near me are quoting $700 to $800 and 3 or more days to get one. dealers 5 near me are quoting $456.09 and a 1 day to get one in. yes they are about half that online as low as $236 that I have seen so far but then there is the longer wait for shipping while I am pumping gas on the ground. recent example last trip I took across town was 12 miles took 7 gallons of gas to get there!!!!
I know that the pump alone will not make vehicle 100% e85 capable, there is a fuel type sensor and/or reprogramming of computer or new computer required.
I AM running e85 NOW since it is cheaper and since I am dumping it on the ground so fast. I have used e85 in the past and vehicle runs fine with NO problems at all.
My only question is will the pump 19300460 for e85 work in place of the 19300459 AND would I not be be better off installing it since I do run e85 once in a while?
1 I am going to replace pump no matter what since it is leaking bad.
2 I know that just replacing the pump will not completely make vehicle e85 compatible that is not my intent. But since I do run e85 on occaision would I not be better off to install the 19300460 e85 pump assuming it fits the same?
3 I know I can get MUCH cheaper online however I am looking at the cost of gas being dumped on the ground while waiting on shipping vs getting one sooner locally.
FYI all parts stores near me are quoting $700 to $800 and 3 or more days to get one. dealers 5 near me are quoting $456.09 and a 1 day to get one in. yes they are about half that online as low as $236 that I have seen so far but then there is the longer wait for shipping while I am pumping gas on the ground. recent example last trip I took across town was 12 miles took 7 gallons of gas to get there!!!!
I know that the pump alone will not make vehicle 100% e85 capable, there is a fuel type sensor and/or reprogramming of computer or new computer required.
I AM running e85 NOW since it is cheaper and since I am dumping it on the ground so fast. I have used e85 in the past and vehicle runs fine with NO problems at all.
My only question is will the pump 19300460 for e85 work in place of the 19300459 AND would I not be be better off installing it since I do run e85 once in a while?
I don't have the answers for you, but for as bad as you need a pump, I think the simple answer is to get the CORRECT pump and not run E85 at all, given that your vehicle was never intended to use it.
What is the point of running E85 to begin with?
Also, I'm sure you could get a pump shipped from Rock Auto for far less than the dealers price in the same time frame. Just select next day shipping or 2nd day.
What is the point of running E85 to begin with?
Also, I'm sure you could get a pump shipped from Rock Auto for far less than the dealers price in the same time frame. Just select next day shipping or 2nd day.
Originally Posted By: eoghan
But since I do run e85 on occaision would I not be better off to install the 19300460 e85 pump assuming it fits the same?
I don't see how it would really be much benefit for just one part of the fuel system to be E85 capable.
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I AM running e85 NOW since it is cheaper and since I am dumping it on the ground so fast. I have used e85 in the past and vehicle runs fine with NO problems at all.
It may run fine, but the leak you describe is pretty unusual. I can't help but wonder if it's related to using E85. My 2002 Ranger has over 190K miles and is flex fuel capable from the factory...last tank of E85 was about a month ago. It has never leaked a drop of fuel in its life. Unless you know something else caused the leak, that would be reason enough for me to stop using it in a vehicle that's not meant to use it. Ethanol can tear up fuel systems that aren't meant for it.
Like Eric said, the simple answer is to use the correct pump and the correct fuel.
But since I do run e85 on occaision would I not be better off to install the 19300460 e85 pump assuming it fits the same?
I don't see how it would really be much benefit for just one part of the fuel system to be E85 capable.
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I AM running e85 NOW since it is cheaper and since I am dumping it on the ground so fast. I have used e85 in the past and vehicle runs fine with NO problems at all.
It may run fine, but the leak you describe is pretty unusual. I can't help but wonder if it's related to using E85. My 2002 Ranger has over 190K miles and is flex fuel capable from the factory...last tank of E85 was about a month ago. It has never leaked a drop of fuel in its life. Unless you know something else caused the leak, that would be reason enough for me to stop using it in a vehicle that's not meant to use it. Ethanol can tear up fuel systems that aren't meant for it.
Like Eric said, the simple answer is to use the correct pump and the correct fuel.
Running E85 probably caused your issue from the start so stop running E85. Also, in case you don't know, E85 has less energy than gasoline so you get less MPG - therefore you are NOT saving any money by using E85.
I had my fuel pump delivered from rock auto in 2 days - I am willing to wait 2 days to save $250. You do bring up a good point that all the gas you are leaking you don't have time - so you have no choice but to go pay the piper.
To answer your question in it's simplest form- yes the E85 pump will work. I don't recommend it because the rest of the system is not E85 ready and to be honest - I see more fuel system troubles coming your way because of all the E85 you presently use. You are not even able to utilize the E85 because you don't have the Ethanol sensor in the fuel lines nor the PCM capability to even benefit from the fuel. You are basically just abusing that vehicle for uses it is not intended for - You are running too lean on E85 since the PCM cannot compensate properly and other issues can happen as a result.
I had my fuel pump delivered from rock auto in 2 days - I am willing to wait 2 days to save $250. You do bring up a good point that all the gas you are leaking you don't have time - so you have no choice but to go pay the piper.
To answer your question in it's simplest form- yes the E85 pump will work. I don't recommend it because the rest of the system is not E85 ready and to be honest - I see more fuel system troubles coming your way because of all the E85 you presently use. You are not even able to utilize the E85 because you don't have the Ethanol sensor in the fuel lines nor the PCM capability to even benefit from the fuel. You are basically just abusing that vehicle for uses it is not intended for - You are running too lean on E85 since the PCM cannot compensate properly and other issues can happen as a result.
Call your dealer - there is a recall on your fuel problem.
12191B: Special Coverage Adjustment - Fuel Odor or Spotting on Ground - Replace Fuel Pump Module - (Jul 8, 2015)
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#12191B: Special Coverage Adjustment - Fuel Odor or Spotting on Ground - Replace Fuel Pump Module - (Jul 8, 2015)
Subject: 12191B – Special Coverage Adjustment – Fuel Odor or Spotting on Ground – Replace Fuel Pump Module
Models: 2006-2009 Chevrolet Cobalt
2007 Chevrolet Equinox
2006 Pontiac Pursuit
2007 Pontiac Torrent
2007-2009 Pontiac G5
2006-2007 Saturn ION
Not Involved in U.S. Safety Recall 09226 or 12190, or Special Coverage 09275
and
2008-2009 Chevrolet Equinox, Uplander
2008-2009 Pontiac Montana SV6, Torrent
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The repair for the 2006-2008 model year Chevrolet Cobalt, Pontiac Pursuit, G5, and Saturn ION vehicles has been revised to also include the replacement of the fuel tank and fuel tank filler pipe or filler hose, if necessary. Please discard all copies of bulletin 12191A.
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Condition
Some 2006 model year Pontiac Pursuit, 2006-2007 model year Saturn ION, 2006-2009 model year Chevrolet Cobalt, 2007-2009 model year Chevrolet Equinox, Pontiac G5, and Torrent, and 2008-2009 model year Chevrolet Uplander and Pontiac Montana SV6 vehicles may have a condition in which the plastic supply or return port on the fuel pump module may crack. If either of these ports develops a crack, fuel will leak from the area. The customer may notice a fuel odor while the vehicle is being driven or after it is parked. If the crack becomes large enough, fuel may be observed dripping onto the ground and vehicle performance may be affected.
Special Policy Adjustment
If a vehicle involved in this Special Coverage demonstrates the condition or symptoms described above, dealers are to replace the fuel pump module, and on 2006-2008 model year Chevrolet Cobalt, Pontiac Pursuit, G5, and Saturn ION vehicles, dealer are to also replace the fuel tank and fuel filler pipe or filler hose, if necessary, regardless of the vehicle's age or mileage.
For vehicles covered by Vehicle Service Contracts, all eligible claims with repair orders on or after February 19, 2013 are covered by this special coverage and must be submitted using the labor operation codes provided with this bulletin. Claims with repair orders prior to February 19, 2013, must be submitted to the Service Contract provider.
Vehicles Involved
All involved vehicles are identified by Vehicle Identification Number on the Applicable Warranties section in GM Global Warranty Management system. Dealership service personnel should always check this site to confirm vehicle involvement prior to beginning any required inspections and/or repairs. It is important to routinely use this tool to verify eligibility because not all similar vehicles may be involved regardless of description or option content.
Parts Information
Parts required to complete this special coverage are to be obtained from General Motors Customer Care and Aftersales (GMCC&A).
Part Number
Description
Quantity/Vehicle
19257126
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (W/0 FUEL LVL SEN) (COBALT/G5/ION/PURSUIT) (LE5/L61)
1 (If Req’d)
19257138
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (W/O FUEL LVL SEN)
(COBALT/ION) (LSJ)
1 (If Req’d)
19256352
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (W/O FUEL LVL SEN)
(COBALT/G5) (LAP)
1 (If Req’d)
19257488
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (W/O FUEL LVL SEN)
(COBALT) (LNF)
1 (If Req’d)
19300503
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (INCLS LEVEL SENSOR)
(2007 EQUINOX/TORRENT)
1 (If Req’d)
19257883
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (INCLS LEVEL SENSOR)
(2008-2009 EQUINOX/TORRENT)
1 (If Req’d)
23106138
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (W/O FUEL LVL SEN)
(MONTANA SV6/UPLANDER) (LGD)
1 (If Req’d)
23106139
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (W/O FUEL LVL SEN)
(MONTANA SV6/UPLANDER) (LZ9)
1 (If Req’d)
20870462
TANK, FUEL (-NU6/LNF)
(USE WITH 15776431, 15776433)
1, (If Req’d)
25947828
TANK, FUEL (&LNF)
(USE WITH 10325852, 22682111)
1, (If Req’d)
20757861
PIPE, F/TNK FIL (W/FIL HOSE) (CHEVROLET, PONTIAC) *
1, (If Req’d)
20757866
HOSE ASM-F/TNK FIL *
(*SATURN ION ONLY, TRIM HOSE TO FIT)
1, (If Req’d)
22682111
SEAL,F/PMP (O-RING) (&LNF)
1, (If Req’d)
15776433
SEAL-F/PMP FUEL RSVR (O RING) (-NU6/LNF)
1, (If Req’d)
15776431
CAM,FUEL SDR (-NU6/LNF) *
1, (If Req’d)
10325852
CAM,FUEL SDR (&LNF)*
1, (If Req’d)
* required only if fuel tank requires replacement.
Service Procedure
Inspection
Verify that the fuel pump module requires replacement. Refer to the appropriate diagnostic information in SI.
•If the fuel pump module does NOT require replacement, no further action is required. Inform the customer that any additional diagnosis and repairs are not covered under this special coverage.
•If the fuel pump module requires replacement, refer to the appropriate replacement procedure below.
Fuel Tank, Fuel Pump Module, and Fuel Filler Pipe or Hose Replacement – 2006-2008 Chevrolet Cobalt, Pontiac Pursuit, G5, and Saturn ION
1. Remove the fuel tank. Refer to Fuel Tank Replacement in SI.
2. Fuel Tank Inspection and/or Replacement Procedure Inspect the fuel tank for the most recent part revision (p/n 20870462 or 25947828).
Object ID: 4093630Click here for detailed picture of the image.
Identifying the 20870462 or 25947828 fuel tank
The fuel tank hose connection (1) will have an index feature (2) at the bottom 6 O’clock position where the hose joins the tank. Older style tanks have this feature on top at the 12 O’clock location. The fuel tank may also have an identifying tag displaying the part number.
If the part number is 20870462 or 25947828, and has the bottom index, do not replace the fuel tank or fill pipe.
3. If the part number is not 20870462 or 25947828, and has the top index, replace the fuel tank and fill pipe or fill hose as applicable. For 2006-2008 Chevrolet Cobalt, Pontiac Pursuit, G5: Remove the fuel tank filler pipe. Refer to Fuel Tank Filler Pipe Replacement in SI.
For ION: Trim new fuel tank fill hose to match existing fuel fill hose.
3.1. Remove fuel fill hose from vehicle mounted fill pipe.
Object ID: 4109439Click here for detailed picture of the image.
3.2. Match the new hose (2) to the original (1), aligning side by side.
Object ID: 4109445Click here for detailed picture of the image.
3.3. Using a paint pen or equivalent, mark the new hose to the original, starting with the notched fuel tank ends of the hoses so that both hoses are the same length.
Note: When cutting the hose, be sure the cut is as straight as possible. Use a hose clamp or tape as a guide. Failure to cut the hose straight could result in leaks.
3.4. Cut the hose from the fill end opposite of the side with the notch (1) to match the length.
3.5. Transfer the clamp on the newly cut hose.
3.6. Install the new trimmed hose to vehicle mounted fill pipe, and to the tank.
4. Remove the fuel pump module. Refer to Fuel Pump Module Replacement in SI.
5. Install a new fuel pump module. Refer to Fuel Pump Module Replacement in SI.
6. Install the fuel tank filler pipe, if applicable from Step 3. Refer to Fuel Tank Filler Pipe Replacement in SI.
7. Install the fuel tank. Refer to Fuel Tank Replacement in SI.
Fuel Pump Module Replacement – Chevrolet Equinox, Pontiac Torrent, and all 2009 Vehicles
1. Remove the fuel pump module. Refer to Fuel Pump Module Replacement in SI.
2. Install a new fuel pump module. Refer to Fuel Pump Module Replacement in SI.
Customer Reimbursement – For US
Customer requests for reimbursement of previously paid repairs to correct the condition described in this bulletin are to be submitted to the dealer by July 31, 2014, unless otherwise specified by state law. If this is not convenient for the customer, they may mail the completed Customer Reimbursement Request Form and all required documents to the GM Customer Assistance Center.
All reasonable and customary costs to correct the condition described in this bulletin should be considered for reimbursement. Any questions or concerns should be reviewed with your District Service Manager – Aftersales prior to processing the request.
When a customer requests reimbursement, they must provide the following:
•A completed Customer Reimbursement Request Form. This form is mailed to the customer or can be obtained through GM GlobalConnect.
•The name and address of the person who paid for the repair.
•Paid receipt confirming the amount of the repair expense, a description of the repair, and the person or entity performing the repair.
Important: GM requires dealers to approve or deny a reimbursement request within 30 days of receipt. If a reimbursement request is approved, the dealer should immediately issue a check to the customer and submit an appropriate warranty transaction for the incurred expense. If a reimbursement request is denied, the dealer MUST provide the customer with a clear and concise explanation, in writing, as to why the request was denied. The bottom portion of the Customer Reimbursement Request Form may be used for this purpose. If the denial was due to missing documents, the customer can resubmit the request when the missing documents are obtained, as long as it is still within the allowed reimbursement period.
Warranty transactions for customer reimbursement of previously paid repairs are to be submitted as required by GM Global Warranty Management. Additional information can also be found in Warranty Administration Bulletin 11-00-89-004.
Customer Reimbursement – For Canada
Customer requests for reimbursement of previously paid repairs to correct the condition described in this bulletin are to be submitted to the dealer prior to or by July 31, 2014.
When a customer requests reimbursement, they must provide the following:
– Proof of ownership at time of repair.
– Original paid receipt confirming the amount of unreimbursed repair expense(s) (including Service Contract deductibles), a description of the repair, and the person or entity performing the repair.
All reasonable and customary costs to correct the condition described in this bulletin should be considered for reimbursement. Any questions or concerns should be reviewed with your GM representative prior to processing the request.
Courtesy Transportation
The General Motors Courtesy Transportation program is intended to minimize customer inconvenience when a vehicle requires a repair that is covered by the New Vehicle Limited Warranties. The availability of courtesy transportation to customers whose vehicles are within the warranty coverage period and involved in a product program is very important in maintaining customer satisfaction. Dealers are to ensure that these customers understand that shuttle service or some other form of courtesy transportation is available and will be provided at no charge. Dealers should refer to the General Motors Service Policies and Procedures Manual for Courtesy Transportation guidelines.
Warranty Transaction Information
Submit a transaction using the table below. All transactions should be submitted as a ZREG transaction type, unless noted otherwise.
Labor Code
Description
Labor Time
Net Item
T5896
Diagnostic Time Only – No Repair Required
0.1-0.3
N/A
T5897
Install New Fuel Pump Module Only
N/A
Cobalt, G5
1.5
Montana SV6, Uplander
1.5
Equinox, Torrent (Base)
1.7
Equinox, Torrent (AWD)
2.2
Add: Diagnostic Time
0.1-0.3
9900158
Install New Fuel Pump Module, Fuel Tank, Fill Pipe or Hose – 2006-2008 Vehicles Only
N/A
Cobalt, G5, Pursuit
1.9
ION
1.4
Add: Diagnostic Time
0.1-0.3
T5898
Customer Reimbursement Approved
0.2
*
T5899
Customer Reimbursement Denied - For US dealers only
0.1
N/A
* The amount identified in “Net Item” should represent the dollar amount reimbursed to the customer.
Customer Notification
General Motors will notify customers of this special coverage on their vehicles (see copy of typical customer letter included with this bulletin - actual divisional letter may vary slightly).
Dear General Motors Customer:
As the owner of a 2006 model year Pontiac Pursuit, 2006-2007 model year Saturn ION, 2006-2009 model year Chevrolet Cobalt, 2007-2009 model year Chevrolet Equinox, Pontiac G5, or Torrent, or 2008-2009 model year Chevrolet Uplander or Pontiac Montana SV6 vehicle, your satisfaction with our product is very important to us.
This letter is intended to make you aware that some of these vehicles may have a condition where the plastic supply or return port on the fuel pump cracks and leaks fuel or fuel vapors. Fuel vapors, in the presence of an ignition source, could potentially cause a vehicle fire.
The symptoms of this condition are:
– A noticeable fuel odor while the vehicle is being driven or after it is parked
– The Check Engine Soon light may be illuminated on the instrument cluster
– If the crack is large enough, fuel may be observed on the ground, or vehicle performance may be affected
What We Are Doing: We are conducting two programs to address this issue. The first program is a safety recall in certain states. A safety recall is being conducted in these areas because we have determined that sustained, elevated temperatures in these areas directly correlate to the fuel pump cracking and fuel leaks some owners have experienced.
The second program is a special coverage in the remaining states. Under our special coverage, should a vehicle ever experience this condition, the owner must take the vehicle to their GM dealer and have the dealer inspect the vehicle, confirm the condition, and then repair that vehicle for free.
Your vehicle is covered by this special coverage.
Do not take your vehicle to your GM dealer as a result of this letter unless you believe that your vehicle has the condition as described above.
What You Should Do: If your vehicle demonstrates the condition or symptoms described above, contact your GM dealer to schedule an inspection. Please note that repairs and adjustments qualifying under this special coverage must be performed by a GM dealer. Your dealer can tell you how long they will need your vehicle.
If your vehicle does not currently demonstrate this condition, you should keep this document in a safe place for future reference. You should not take your vehicle to your GM dealer unless these symptoms have been observed. Diagnosis or repair for conditions other than that described above is not covered under this special coverage program (and will be your responsibility).
Reimbursement: If you have paid for repairs for the condition described in this letter, please complete the enclosed form and present it to your dealer with all required documents. Working with your dealer will expedite your request, however, if this is not convenient, you may mail the completed form and all required documents to Reimbursement Department, PO Box 33170, Detroit, MI 48232-5170. The completed form and required documents must be presented to your dealer or received by the Reimbursement Department by July 31, 2014, unless state law specifies a longer reimbursement period.
If you have any questions or need any assistance, just contact your dealer or the appropriate Customer Assistance Center at the number listed below.
Division
Number
Text Telephones (TTY)
Chevrolet
1-800-222-1020
1-800-833-2438
Pontiac
1-800-762-2737
1-800-833-7668
Saturn
1-800-553-6000
1-800-833-6000
Guam
65-6267-1752
Puerto Rico – English
1-800-496-9992
Puerto Rico – Español
1-800-496-9993
Virgin Islands
1-800-496-9994
We are sorry for any inconvenience you may experience; however we have taken this action in the interest of your continued satisfaction with our products.
Jim Moloney
General Director,
Customer and Relationship Services
Enclosure
12191
GM bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, NOT a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See your GM dealer for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.
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12191B: Special Coverage Adjustment - Fuel Odor or Spotting on Ground - Replace Fuel Pump Module - (Jul 8, 2015)
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#12191B: Special Coverage Adjustment - Fuel Odor or Spotting on Ground - Replace Fuel Pump Module - (Jul 8, 2015)
Subject: 12191B – Special Coverage Adjustment – Fuel Odor or Spotting on Ground – Replace Fuel Pump Module
Models: 2006-2009 Chevrolet Cobalt
2007 Chevrolet Equinox
2006 Pontiac Pursuit
2007 Pontiac Torrent
2007-2009 Pontiac G5
2006-2007 Saturn ION
Not Involved in U.S. Safety Recall 09226 or 12190, or Special Coverage 09275
and
2008-2009 Chevrolet Equinox, Uplander
2008-2009 Pontiac Montana SV6, Torrent
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The repair for the 2006-2008 model year Chevrolet Cobalt, Pontiac Pursuit, G5, and Saturn ION vehicles has been revised to also include the replacement of the fuel tank and fuel tank filler pipe or filler hose, if necessary. Please discard all copies of bulletin 12191A.
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Condition
Some 2006 model year Pontiac Pursuit, 2006-2007 model year Saturn ION, 2006-2009 model year Chevrolet Cobalt, 2007-2009 model year Chevrolet Equinox, Pontiac G5, and Torrent, and 2008-2009 model year Chevrolet Uplander and Pontiac Montana SV6 vehicles may have a condition in which the plastic supply or return port on the fuel pump module may crack. If either of these ports develops a crack, fuel will leak from the area. The customer may notice a fuel odor while the vehicle is being driven or after it is parked. If the crack becomes large enough, fuel may be observed dripping onto the ground and vehicle performance may be affected.
Special Policy Adjustment
If a vehicle involved in this Special Coverage demonstrates the condition or symptoms described above, dealers are to replace the fuel pump module, and on 2006-2008 model year Chevrolet Cobalt, Pontiac Pursuit, G5, and Saturn ION vehicles, dealer are to also replace the fuel tank and fuel filler pipe or filler hose, if necessary, regardless of the vehicle's age or mileage.
For vehicles covered by Vehicle Service Contracts, all eligible claims with repair orders on or after February 19, 2013 are covered by this special coverage and must be submitted using the labor operation codes provided with this bulletin. Claims with repair orders prior to February 19, 2013, must be submitted to the Service Contract provider.
Vehicles Involved
All involved vehicles are identified by Vehicle Identification Number on the Applicable Warranties section in GM Global Warranty Management system. Dealership service personnel should always check this site to confirm vehicle involvement prior to beginning any required inspections and/or repairs. It is important to routinely use this tool to verify eligibility because not all similar vehicles may be involved regardless of description or option content.
Parts Information
Parts required to complete this special coverage are to be obtained from General Motors Customer Care and Aftersales (GMCC&A).
Part Number
Description
Quantity/Vehicle
19257126
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (W/0 FUEL LVL SEN) (COBALT/G5/ION/PURSUIT) (LE5/L61)
1 (If Req’d)
19257138
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (W/O FUEL LVL SEN)
(COBALT/ION) (LSJ)
1 (If Req’d)
19256352
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (W/O FUEL LVL SEN)
(COBALT/G5) (LAP)
1 (If Req’d)
19257488
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (W/O FUEL LVL SEN)
(COBALT) (LNF)
1 (If Req’d)
19300503
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (INCLS LEVEL SENSOR)
(2007 EQUINOX/TORRENT)
1 (If Req’d)
19257883
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (INCLS LEVEL SENSOR)
(2008-2009 EQUINOX/TORRENT)
1 (If Req’d)
23106138
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (W/O FUEL LVL SEN)
(MONTANA SV6/UPLANDER) (LGD)
1 (If Req’d)
23106139
MODULE KIT, F/TNK F/PMP (W/O FUEL LVL SEN)
(MONTANA SV6/UPLANDER) (LZ9)
1 (If Req’d)
20870462
TANK, FUEL (-NU6/LNF)
(USE WITH 15776431, 15776433)
1, (If Req’d)
25947828
TANK, FUEL (&LNF)
(USE WITH 10325852, 22682111)
1, (If Req’d)
20757861
PIPE, F/TNK FIL (W/FIL HOSE) (CHEVROLET, PONTIAC) *
1, (If Req’d)
20757866
HOSE ASM-F/TNK FIL *
(*SATURN ION ONLY, TRIM HOSE TO FIT)
1, (If Req’d)
22682111
SEAL,F/PMP (O-RING) (&LNF)
1, (If Req’d)
15776433
SEAL-F/PMP FUEL RSVR (O RING) (-NU6/LNF)
1, (If Req’d)
15776431
CAM,FUEL SDR (-NU6/LNF) *
1, (If Req’d)
10325852
CAM,FUEL SDR (&LNF)*
1, (If Req’d)
* required only if fuel tank requires replacement.
Service Procedure
Inspection
Verify that the fuel pump module requires replacement. Refer to the appropriate diagnostic information in SI.
•If the fuel pump module does NOT require replacement, no further action is required. Inform the customer that any additional diagnosis and repairs are not covered under this special coverage.
•If the fuel pump module requires replacement, refer to the appropriate replacement procedure below.
Fuel Tank, Fuel Pump Module, and Fuel Filler Pipe or Hose Replacement – 2006-2008 Chevrolet Cobalt, Pontiac Pursuit, G5, and Saturn ION
1. Remove the fuel tank. Refer to Fuel Tank Replacement in SI.
2. Fuel Tank Inspection and/or Replacement Procedure Inspect the fuel tank for the most recent part revision (p/n 20870462 or 25947828).
Object ID: 4093630Click here for detailed picture of the image.
Identifying the 20870462 or 25947828 fuel tank
The fuel tank hose connection (1) will have an index feature (2) at the bottom 6 O’clock position where the hose joins the tank. Older style tanks have this feature on top at the 12 O’clock location. The fuel tank may also have an identifying tag displaying the part number.
If the part number is 20870462 or 25947828, and has the bottom index, do not replace the fuel tank or fill pipe.
3. If the part number is not 20870462 or 25947828, and has the top index, replace the fuel tank and fill pipe or fill hose as applicable. For 2006-2008 Chevrolet Cobalt, Pontiac Pursuit, G5: Remove the fuel tank filler pipe. Refer to Fuel Tank Filler Pipe Replacement in SI.
For ION: Trim new fuel tank fill hose to match existing fuel fill hose.
3.1. Remove fuel fill hose from vehicle mounted fill pipe.
Object ID: 4109439Click here for detailed picture of the image.
3.2. Match the new hose (2) to the original (1), aligning side by side.
Object ID: 4109445Click here for detailed picture of the image.
3.3. Using a paint pen or equivalent, mark the new hose to the original, starting with the notched fuel tank ends of the hoses so that both hoses are the same length.
Note: When cutting the hose, be sure the cut is as straight as possible. Use a hose clamp or tape as a guide. Failure to cut the hose straight could result in leaks.
3.4. Cut the hose from the fill end opposite of the side with the notch (1) to match the length.
3.5. Transfer the clamp on the newly cut hose.
3.6. Install the new trimmed hose to vehicle mounted fill pipe, and to the tank.
4. Remove the fuel pump module. Refer to Fuel Pump Module Replacement in SI.
5. Install a new fuel pump module. Refer to Fuel Pump Module Replacement in SI.
6. Install the fuel tank filler pipe, if applicable from Step 3. Refer to Fuel Tank Filler Pipe Replacement in SI.
7. Install the fuel tank. Refer to Fuel Tank Replacement in SI.
Fuel Pump Module Replacement – Chevrolet Equinox, Pontiac Torrent, and all 2009 Vehicles
1. Remove the fuel pump module. Refer to Fuel Pump Module Replacement in SI.
2. Install a new fuel pump module. Refer to Fuel Pump Module Replacement in SI.
Customer Reimbursement – For US
Customer requests for reimbursement of previously paid repairs to correct the condition described in this bulletin are to be submitted to the dealer by July 31, 2014, unless otherwise specified by state law. If this is not convenient for the customer, they may mail the completed Customer Reimbursement Request Form and all required documents to the GM Customer Assistance Center.
All reasonable and customary costs to correct the condition described in this bulletin should be considered for reimbursement. Any questions or concerns should be reviewed with your District Service Manager – Aftersales prior to processing the request.
When a customer requests reimbursement, they must provide the following:
•A completed Customer Reimbursement Request Form. This form is mailed to the customer or can be obtained through GM GlobalConnect.
•The name and address of the person who paid for the repair.
•Paid receipt confirming the amount of the repair expense, a description of the repair, and the person or entity performing the repair.
Important: GM requires dealers to approve or deny a reimbursement request within 30 days of receipt. If a reimbursement request is approved, the dealer should immediately issue a check to the customer and submit an appropriate warranty transaction for the incurred expense. If a reimbursement request is denied, the dealer MUST provide the customer with a clear and concise explanation, in writing, as to why the request was denied. The bottom portion of the Customer Reimbursement Request Form may be used for this purpose. If the denial was due to missing documents, the customer can resubmit the request when the missing documents are obtained, as long as it is still within the allowed reimbursement period.
Warranty transactions for customer reimbursement of previously paid repairs are to be submitted as required by GM Global Warranty Management. Additional information can also be found in Warranty Administration Bulletin 11-00-89-004.
Customer Reimbursement – For Canada
Customer requests for reimbursement of previously paid repairs to correct the condition described in this bulletin are to be submitted to the dealer prior to or by July 31, 2014.
When a customer requests reimbursement, they must provide the following:
– Proof of ownership at time of repair.
– Original paid receipt confirming the amount of unreimbursed repair expense(s) (including Service Contract deductibles), a description of the repair, and the person or entity performing the repair.
All reasonable and customary costs to correct the condition described in this bulletin should be considered for reimbursement. Any questions or concerns should be reviewed with your GM representative prior to processing the request.
Courtesy Transportation
The General Motors Courtesy Transportation program is intended to minimize customer inconvenience when a vehicle requires a repair that is covered by the New Vehicle Limited Warranties. The availability of courtesy transportation to customers whose vehicles are within the warranty coverage period and involved in a product program is very important in maintaining customer satisfaction. Dealers are to ensure that these customers understand that shuttle service or some other form of courtesy transportation is available and will be provided at no charge. Dealers should refer to the General Motors Service Policies and Procedures Manual for Courtesy Transportation guidelines.
Warranty Transaction Information
Submit a transaction using the table below. All transactions should be submitted as a ZREG transaction type, unless noted otherwise.
Labor Code
Description
Labor Time
Net Item
T5896
Diagnostic Time Only – No Repair Required
0.1-0.3
N/A
T5897
Install New Fuel Pump Module Only
N/A
Cobalt, G5
1.5
Montana SV6, Uplander
1.5
Equinox, Torrent (Base)
1.7
Equinox, Torrent (AWD)
2.2
Add: Diagnostic Time
0.1-0.3
9900158
Install New Fuel Pump Module, Fuel Tank, Fill Pipe or Hose – 2006-2008 Vehicles Only
N/A
Cobalt, G5, Pursuit
1.9
ION
1.4
Add: Diagnostic Time
0.1-0.3
T5898
Customer Reimbursement Approved
0.2
*
T5899
Customer Reimbursement Denied - For US dealers only
0.1
N/A
* The amount identified in “Net Item” should represent the dollar amount reimbursed to the customer.
Customer Notification
General Motors will notify customers of this special coverage on their vehicles (see copy of typical customer letter included with this bulletin - actual divisional letter may vary slightly).
Dear General Motors Customer:
As the owner of a 2006 model year Pontiac Pursuit, 2006-2007 model year Saturn ION, 2006-2009 model year Chevrolet Cobalt, 2007-2009 model year Chevrolet Equinox, Pontiac G5, or Torrent, or 2008-2009 model year Chevrolet Uplander or Pontiac Montana SV6 vehicle, your satisfaction with our product is very important to us.
This letter is intended to make you aware that some of these vehicles may have a condition where the plastic supply or return port on the fuel pump cracks and leaks fuel or fuel vapors. Fuel vapors, in the presence of an ignition source, could potentially cause a vehicle fire.
The symptoms of this condition are:
– A noticeable fuel odor while the vehicle is being driven or after it is parked
– The Check Engine Soon light may be illuminated on the instrument cluster
– If the crack is large enough, fuel may be observed on the ground, or vehicle performance may be affected
What We Are Doing: We are conducting two programs to address this issue. The first program is a safety recall in certain states. A safety recall is being conducted in these areas because we have determined that sustained, elevated temperatures in these areas directly correlate to the fuel pump cracking and fuel leaks some owners have experienced.
The second program is a special coverage in the remaining states. Under our special coverage, should a vehicle ever experience this condition, the owner must take the vehicle to their GM dealer and have the dealer inspect the vehicle, confirm the condition, and then repair that vehicle for free.
Your vehicle is covered by this special coverage.
Do not take your vehicle to your GM dealer as a result of this letter unless you believe that your vehicle has the condition as described above.
What You Should Do: If your vehicle demonstrates the condition or symptoms described above, contact your GM dealer to schedule an inspection. Please note that repairs and adjustments qualifying under this special coverage must be performed by a GM dealer. Your dealer can tell you how long they will need your vehicle.
If your vehicle does not currently demonstrate this condition, you should keep this document in a safe place for future reference. You should not take your vehicle to your GM dealer unless these symptoms have been observed. Diagnosis or repair for conditions other than that described above is not covered under this special coverage program (and will be your responsibility).
Reimbursement: If you have paid for repairs for the condition described in this letter, please complete the enclosed form and present it to your dealer with all required documents. Working with your dealer will expedite your request, however, if this is not convenient, you may mail the completed form and all required documents to Reimbursement Department, PO Box 33170, Detroit, MI 48232-5170. The completed form and required documents must be presented to your dealer or received by the Reimbursement Department by July 31, 2014, unless state law specifies a longer reimbursement period.
If you have any questions or need any assistance, just contact your dealer or the appropriate Customer Assistance Center at the number listed below.
Division
Number
Text Telephones (TTY)
Chevrolet
1-800-222-1020
1-800-833-2438
Pontiac
1-800-762-2737
1-800-833-7668
Saturn
1-800-553-6000
1-800-833-6000
Guam
65-6267-1752
Puerto Rico – English
1-800-496-9992
Puerto Rico – Español
1-800-496-9993
Virgin Islands
1-800-496-9994
We are sorry for any inconvenience you may experience; however we have taken this action in the interest of your continued satisfaction with our products.
Jim Moloney
General Director,
Customer and Relationship Services
Enclosure
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OK UPDATE pump fixed.
I want to thank all who posted helpful advice.
I have a good friend that is a mechanic and since he has a shop with a lift took it there so we could work on it.
1 in addition to the TSB info above there have been many complaints about the fuel pump and also the fuel lines on this year/model vehicle having leaking issues. My mechanic also noted when tank was removed that it appeared to have been removed before and not handled carefully and possible damage was done to the fuel pump nipple. this is not surprising since we have noticed many signs that this vehicle was abused a lot. this was also the original pump and old. My mechanic also suspected that the pressure sensor on the old pump may have not been working within specifications again due to age and apparent rough handling by prior owners.
2 I did very diligent research and found that the real difference between the two pumps that I was looking at is the fuel pressure sensor - the sensor spec'd for flex fuel allows slightly higher pressures thus providing a slightly higher gph rating to get over the needed higher flow rate for E85. otherwise pumps are identical.
I did opt to go with pump spec'd for gas. the reason I found some better detailed pictures and it looked like the flex fuel pump pressure sensor was slightly different at the electrical connection (a little bigger ?) (same amount of pins however) enough that I knew that I would likely need to change the pigtail connection to make a weather resistant connection. it could have just been the pictures but since I needed this fixed ASAP I did not want to doing any wiring in addition to changing out the pump.
running E85 was not an issue per my mechanic as the pumps are made of same materials etc, as far as the pressure sensor the flow rate difference is not that much to cause issues with intermittent use. no codes with E85 on this vehicle and just a slight drop in mpg about 2 to 4 miles less than gas.
In this area finding any gas that does not contain some amount of alcohol is nearly impossible. I am in corn country and alcohol is very heavily promoted and used here. I only use E85 occasionally.
new pump is working great so far - quiet, better idle and seems faster acceleration. NO LEAKS!
so now to fix the other issues on this vehicle! I am having abs and traction control warnings due to sensor wiring I believe - needs tires - small body issues etc. we got this vehicle used and it had many prior owners and the guy from the lot we got it from likes to think he is a mechanic and I think he does as much damage as he fixes.
It is a big POS but we had to get it on the fly since our only other vehicle was totaled in an accident on 6.30.2016. we had very limited funds with the payout on our old vehicle and a loan was not an option. so this was it.
I have a good friend that is a mechanic and since he has a shop with a lift took it there so we could work on it.
1 in addition to the TSB info above there have been many complaints about the fuel pump and also the fuel lines on this year/model vehicle having leaking issues. My mechanic also noted when tank was removed that it appeared to have been removed before and not handled carefully and possible damage was done to the fuel pump nipple. this is not surprising since we have noticed many signs that this vehicle was abused a lot. this was also the original pump and old. My mechanic also suspected that the pressure sensor on the old pump may have not been working within specifications again due to age and apparent rough handling by prior owners.
2 I did very diligent research and found that the real difference between the two pumps that I was looking at is the fuel pressure sensor - the sensor spec'd for flex fuel allows slightly higher pressures thus providing a slightly higher gph rating to get over the needed higher flow rate for E85. otherwise pumps are identical.
I did opt to go with pump spec'd for gas. the reason I found some better detailed pictures and it looked like the flex fuel pump pressure sensor was slightly different at the electrical connection (a little bigger ?) (same amount of pins however) enough that I knew that I would likely need to change the pigtail connection to make a weather resistant connection. it could have just been the pictures but since I needed this fixed ASAP I did not want to doing any wiring in addition to changing out the pump.
running E85 was not an issue per my mechanic as the pumps are made of same materials etc, as far as the pressure sensor the flow rate difference is not that much to cause issues with intermittent use. no codes with E85 on this vehicle and just a slight drop in mpg about 2 to 4 miles less than gas.
In this area finding any gas that does not contain some amount of alcohol is nearly impossible. I am in corn country and alcohol is very heavily promoted and used here. I only use E85 occasionally.
new pump is working great so far - quiet, better idle and seems faster acceleration. NO LEAKS!
so now to fix the other issues on this vehicle! I am having abs and traction control warnings due to sensor wiring I believe - needs tires - small body issues etc. we got this vehicle used and it had many prior owners and the guy from the lot we got it from likes to think he is a mechanic and I think he does as much damage as he fixes.
It is a big POS but we had to get it on the fly since our only other vehicle was totaled in an accident on 6.30.2016. we had very limited funds with the payout on our old vehicle and a loan was not an option. so this was it.
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