The USA lost over a MILLION dead (and still counting) from Covid 19, and many people retired early to dodge the Covid vax mandates, the Baby Boomer generation is now hitting peak retirement years and the later generations are substantially smaller so the availability and skill sets of remaining workers is declining. The federal and state governments are going ever more socialist with more and more 'guaranteed income' and 'debt/rent moratorium/forgiveness' programs so there is much less incentive to bother to work as well.
Frustration with continuing "staffing issues"
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Here we go again.
Please source this "guaranteed income" for an able bodied person Where is this monthly stipend?
You are the second poster to bring this up-yet no one has provided source material.
Seems like we are echoing a certain cable news program talking points.
I'm waiting........
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Then someone please explain why it’s been reported this week that all the workers displaced during Covid have been replaced numerically-wise. That being the case, the workloads and bodies available to fix these should now be at pre pandemic levels. Yet 3verywhere I see signs of help wanted and excuses of “we don’t have the people. So who’s lying here?
Someone who's workplace sucks and they refuse to raise pay and wlb. Heard some time ago an old Jewish saying( as I was told)." If problem can be solved with money- it is not a problem, it is an expense."
My generation... I'm 46.
Has raised a bunch of total pansies...
Cant handle anything hardly and are highly entitled too. Plus these younger people don't know how to talk to or treat people in general.
Being terribly candid our country has been losing it's grounded center for a long while now.
Ahh hey ckn....
That man aka PMyadaya letters is not in.... Wait for it..... Not in California....
So.... There is that.
And and entry level type position should not be paid buco bucks either.
Just Ike a bench NBA or NFL player should make what the best players make.
Just like I shouldn't be paid what a PA or NP makes....
A realistic wage will vary state to state.
The work environment has changed. Employers paying peanuts, having a poor work environment and insisting on open availability will have staffing issues. If one has a vehicle, there are many other choices that provide flexibility - the gig economy is here. Driving for Uber, lyft, Doordash, Instacart, etc. provide the flexibility folks desire.
That money ran out a long time ago and was barely a pittance anyway.
Dave I tend to agree. Go ahead and pay entry level people that kind of money $30 in that area on a mass scale and see what happens.
Best way to articulate that in my opinion is the difference between a category 1 minimum 75 mph hurricane energy / heat released vs a category 5 hurricane at 190 mph energy / heat released. It would be tremendous the increase of prices on everything across the board.
Businesses will pay that massive increase to the end consumer. Which would effectively negate that very large increase in pay.
The people making around that $30 an hour will never ever see a commensurate increase to be the same level above what they were above the old pay ranges below them. Thus making them poor has well.
Good, bad, or indifferent... The job place is a competitive arena.
In my opinion for the last 60 years the slow degradation of the nuclear family, the poor public school education system in some areas, and the lack of individuals learning the real necessary basics of education has been a huge part of the problem. Plus more factors involved has well here.
Lack of a stable nuclear family is the fastest way to poverty guaranteed. Many studies have indicated this to be true across all lines.
Lack of parental support of teachers when little Johnny or Sue does wrong in school has been a HUGE problem for the past 30 years plus. This has been a massive issue that has eviscerated students being held accountable for their actions or lack of achievement.
The public school systems have failed has well to get children to a proper reading level, reading comprehension level, basic math level, a basic science level, and a basic writing level too. Look at how far, far, far behind certain schools in certain areas are behind in those areas. It is quite startling to see just how bad things have been for a long time now.
If you can't hardly read, comprehend, write, do basic math, and understand anything about science... You have practically zero chance in being able to get anywhere in the world.
There are many factors that have led us to where we are now at. It's not all the teachers fault .. It's not all the parents fault... It is a vast combination of factors on a individual basis, societal basis, and a family structure basis that has led us to where we are getting to.
Show me a good nuclear family structure and in all likelihood you will see a much much, much higher than average chance that their children are well mannered, well behaved, and much brighter and willing to learn vs a child that does not have that. I have seen this first hand just recently seeing some amazing children patients in obvious great homes with accomplished mothers and fathers there.
The failure of society comes from a failure of families / individuals, leading to a failure in schools therefore leading to a large scale failure in society in general obviously including the workplace has well.
I will remind everyone of this reality check... Those children we have failed across a couple of generations... Will be the ones to " take care of you and I when we get much older"
And I'm not talking about your direct children directly taking care of you or me ... .
It will be someone else's child who is a CNA or personal care aide taking care of you and me ...
Trust me... In the very high end retirement center I worked in it was CNAs and PCAs who took care of those people. Not their own children who provided direct personal care to them.
Let that sink in... Think about it.
If we failed to let out children know that there are more people than just them in this world.. . That the world doesn't revolve around them... That being held to account for their actions is important... That having love, kindness, empathy, and respect for others is extremely important in this world... That learning is actually really important and that they should not blame everyone else for their shortcomings in education... That family truly matters and how well or not well you treat your own family is likely how they will treat others and their family members.
Best way to articulate that in my opinion is the difference between a category 1 minimum 75 mph hurricane energy / heat released vs a category 5 hurricane at 190 mph energy / heat released. It would be tremendous the increase of prices on everything across the board.
Businesses will pay that massive increase to the end consumer. Which would effectively negate that very large increase in pay.
The people making around that $30 an hour will never ever see a commensurate increase to be the same level above what they were above the old pay ranges below them. Thus making them poor has well.
Good, bad, or indifferent... The job place is a competitive arena.
In my opinion for the last 60 years the slow degradation of the nuclear family, the poor public school education system in some areas, and the lack of individuals learning the real necessary basics of education has been a huge part of the problem. Plus more factors involved has well here.
Lack of a stable nuclear family is the fastest way to poverty guaranteed. Many studies have indicated this to be true across all lines.
Lack of parental support of teachers when little Johnny or Sue does wrong in school has been a HUGE problem for the past 30 years plus. This has been a massive issue that has eviscerated students being held accountable for their actions or lack of achievement.
The public school systems have failed has well to get children to a proper reading level, reading comprehension level, basic math level, a basic science level, and a basic writing level too. Look at how far, far, far behind certain schools in certain areas are behind in those areas. It is quite startling to see just how bad things have been for a long time now.
If you can't hardly read, comprehend, write, do basic math, and understand anything about science... You have practically zero chance in being able to get anywhere in the world.
There are many factors that have led us to where we are now at. It's not all the teachers fault .. It's not all the parents fault... It is a vast combination of factors on a individual basis, societal basis, and a family structure basis that has led us to where we are getting to.
Show me a good nuclear family structure and in all likelihood you will see a much much, much higher than average chance that their children are well mannered, well behaved, and much brighter and willing to learn vs a child that does not have that. I have seen this first hand just recently seeing some amazing children patients in obvious great homes with accomplished mothers and fathers there.
The failure of society comes from a failure of families / individuals, leading to a failure in schools therefore leading to a large scale failure in society in general obviously including the workplace has well.
I will remind everyone of this reality check... Those children we have failed across a couple of generations... Will be the ones to " take care of you and I when we get much older"
And I'm not talking about your direct children directly taking care of you or me ... .
It will be someone else's child who is a CNA or personal care aide taking care of you and me ...
Trust me... In the very high end retirement center I worked in it was CNAs and PCAs who took care of those people. Not their own children who provided direct personal care to them.
Let that sink in... Think about it.
If we failed to let out children know that there are more people than just them in this world.. . That the world doesn't revolve around them... That being held to account for their actions is important... That having love, kindness, empathy, and respect for others is extremely important in this world... That learning is actually really important and that they should not blame everyone else for their shortcomings in education... That family truly matters and how well or not well you treat your own family is likely how they will treat others and their family members.
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I can mention something that I find to be a **** joke regarding government funding... my ex is from the northeast and personally knows several people that are on long term social security disability for self-inflicted drug addiction. Yes these are the guys in their 40-50s, living with parents, hanging out on the corner snorting, injecting, drinking whatever and getting the monthly handout for it. They are definitely mentally/physically capable of doing a typical productive job as well. So yeah that sort of thing is indeed somewhat common.
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Employers are paying more now than ever before. Open availability of workers has been an issue long before the closed down world of Covid. And even now, many people are giving the finger to employers that do that knowing they can get higher pay and better conditioned elsewhere. According to time: “There is one piece of good financial news out this week: wages have gone up across the board in the past year. A new report from the ADP Research Institute, which tracks payroll data, shows that U.S. wages for existing job holders rose a record 5.9% in December compared to the year before, while those who switched jobs increased wages by an average of 8%, also a record high.”
https://time.com/6143212/us-wage-growth-record-high/
add this and the news of more people in the workforce than before the Covid shutdown tells me the math don’t add up.to me, something else is going on here.
Stepping on soap box.
I work with children under stressful situations every day and it's my job to manage those children and their parents - this is my area of expertise.
Parenting has been a dying art for decades and I agree that our generation (I'm 43) made the mistake of trying to be our kid's "friends" and not their parents. Every day I see maladapted children and I estimate that when I see a child with no coping skills 90% of the time I see a parent who has no idea how to parent. The other 10% of the time and I do see this as well, you have kids with biological reasons for their poor behavior. If it's not outright poor coping it's a complete inability to speak to other human beings. Every day I walk into rooms with 16 to18-year-olds and ask them how's it going or what have you been up to this summer and 80% of the time I get an annoyed response like, "I don't know". Really? You don't know what you did this summer. Inevitably there is a parent there who either says nothing at all or proceeds to give the answer. It's hard to believe how many parents I see in their 40-50s with no coping skills and the apple usually doesn't fall far from the tree.
I have three teenage sons and while not perfect I don't think a week goes by that my wife or I don't get some compliment about their behavior. Last week all three were at the pediatrician and the nurse and doc wouldn't shut up about how nice they were and how easy it was to talk to them. We get compliments from their friend's parents all the time. My 16-year-old has two jobs this summer and at both restaurants, his managers beelined it for us to tell us how great he is, he's a great worker, awesome with customers, and just a nice kid. This isn't just in public, they're really nice kids at home too. They have friends. They have lives outside of the house. They all really like being home too. The 16-year-old will yell out as he crosses the school parking lot that he loves me in front of everyone without any embarrassment. They also have really nice friends too who are all every similar.
What's our secret? My wife and I were never their friends - we are their parents. We are in charge. We are the captains of the ship. We run what we call a benevolent co-dictatorship. We have always had clear expectations. We have always modeled the behavior we expected of our children. We very rarely yell and it's a very quiet house. We have always treated them like people speaking to them and not at them. When they were 5 and did something wrong and I asked why did they do that I didn't accept I don't know - I really wanted to know and when I get their answer I was very clear that whatever they did was not acceptable and it will not happen again - it rarely ever happened again. I've never had to be physical. I've rarely had to yell (sure every parent has their moments). Well, I did once chase the 14-year-old through the house (he was 11 or 12) and pin him up against the front door and tell him I would end him if he ever slammed a door in my face again and while not my finest moment that is really the extent of that kind of stuff. When the kids were little and they didn't want vaccinations because it will hurt - too bad so sad sometimes things in life hurt and you'll get over it. Oh you're anxious about your test tomorrow and we'd discuss that anxiety is a physiological response to prepare them for something important and while it's not an awesome feeling it's normal to feel anxious from time to time and it is NOT reasonable to think you can just flee anxiety-inducing situations or never feel anxiety. We taught them to not think of it as a bad feeling to avoid but to understand it is a short-term feeling that will resolve after they complete the task. Turns out they got over the pain of the vaccinations and through the anxiety of the test and life went on. We made sure when we saw people out or people came over that the kids would stop, make eye contact, say hello and introduce themselves, and shake the person's hand. We have always pushed manners. How to eat at a table, etc, etc, etc. The 16-year-old comes home from work and says some guy was mean or whatever and my response is there are all kinds of A-holes in the world do your job and forget about it - don't give someone else the power to ruin your day.
As they got older I also started talking to them about how this is THEIR life and not mine and not their mother's - we're both very happy with our lives. THEY need to do well in school for THEM because their mother and I already did our homework. THEY need to learn how to navigate school, work, and the adult world because one day soon we are kicking them out and they will be on their own. THEY need to be self-sufficient because this gravy train is coming to an end. THEY need to learn how to get **** done because the world is a harsh and unforgiving place and it really doesn't care about them or think they are special. All that said, 99% of the time it's love, respect, checking in with them to talk about their day, hugs throughout the day and I love you. Sure, all three can be little ****s too but these days it's usually pretty funny sarcasm...
Now, none of that is revolutionary in my mind - that's just basic parenting. We have friends, with maladapted children, who can't parent to save their own lives and their children misbehave all the time and can't figure out why when they come over my kids are so nice, there's no fighting, and why the house is so quiet. It's that way because we've made it that way. They are well-adjusted because we made them that way and we've given the tools they need to be successful and now it's up to THEM to be whoever it is they want to be in THEIR lives.
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That bolded words made me think of the extra $600/wk people got on unemployment. Even UChicago which is a liberal institution was against it and said it would do permanent damage to the US economy. What killed me, was politicians acknowledged that some would make more on unemployment than they would working at the jobs they lost (imagine the fraud as well). That's why I say hats off to anyone whose salary is 40k or less and they worked on the front lines throughout the pandemic. They could have gotten more on assistance.
Anyway I didn't read through all 4 pages of the transmission thread, but unless warranty work, why go to the dealer, and I would agree, dealers are horrible. First of all the flat rate system upon which techs are compensated already leads to poor work. Secondly they never cared about customers, pre-Covid or today. But if it were for warranty, I get it.
My wife's GM SUV--it took 18 mos to replace a captain's chair, in 2018. This had nothing to do with the pandemic obviously. A strut (covered) went bad under warranty, they replaced only 1 out of 2. The other followed suit out of warranty (thank goodness we went Bilstein). I think to myself, these cars are now six figures, and people will put up with such lousy service, that's amazing.
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