Frustrated with Dealership!

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Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl


If you don't get a confirmation from an actual person (not an automatic "we have received your email!" response), don't consider the appointment set. I'm not trying to justify that, just telling it like it is.


The verbal conversation with the SW I agree with, but if that dealer has a e mail appointment system in play and they no longer want to use it then for crying out loud, CLOSE THAT PART OF IT DOWN! It's NOT up to the customer to GUESS because the store hasn't maintained their website. The general manager should have SOMEONE responsible for at least making sure there are NO MAJOR flaws in their site, that is what they get paid big money for.
 
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Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
If you don't get a confirmation from an actual person (not an automatic "we have received your email!" response), don't consider the appointment set. I'm not trying to justify that, just telling it like it is.


Yup, same here. I love it when the service writers transfer literally every call regarding recalls to me and I get to explain to customers that parts are not available or yes they actually have to bring their car in first to have it inspected. I do it because we are a team, but sometimes not all the players put forth the same effort.
 
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal


Yup, same here. I love it when the service writers transfer literally every call regarding recalls to me and I get to explain to customers that parts are not available or yes they actually have to bring their car in first to have it inspected. I do it because we are a team, but sometimes not all the players put forth the same effort.


I've worked at plenty of stores and know this is common, so when I get to play customer and call and incorrectly transferred to parts I never take my frustration out on the counter guy, because they are yet again covering for often times incompetent SWs. I have found that most parts guys are relieved and happy when they encounter a customer that understands how things work, or don't work as the case often times is at the stores.
 
Originally Posted By: B20z

I understand and I didn't mean to target you specifically. You have to admit though that working at a dealership has made you much less interested in hearing the customer's take first before defending your trade. It's customer service so of course you're jaded. You guys deal with "infallible" customers. Surely a difficult task. Whereas we (the customers) pull into the bay, say hello to the writer, and immediately the lies start flowing. There's no accountability involved. It's always the customer's fault, or the nameplate's, or the weather, or Fedex, or the stars. Never the dealership at fault. It's just as infuriating.

The difference is that one side is paying for the privilege of griping and complaining while hopefully getting their car repaired. You guys get paid to hear that garbage while hopefully making the repair. Make no mistake, as much as you may feel (justly, perhaps) that you shouldn't have to hear it or be talked to that way it is part of your pay. Welcome to the real world. We all deal with it.

Dealerships would be wise to add some credible, serious customer service seminars to their training roster. With the public finally seeing that alternatives to the dealer network are possible massive change could be on the horizon. That change may also mean loss of jobs. It's up to the dealers I guess.


Jaded? Sure. I deal with a lot of [censored]. Not as much as service though, so I am glad for that.

To some extent, I am paid to deal with [censored], but I am also paid to prioritize the [censored] and I can't make everyone happy. A lot of retail customers envision dealer employees just waiting around for someone to show up...I usually have multiple other things going on when a retail customer shows up.

On the other hand, some customers have learned about Rockauto.com from me, or have found out the Napa down the road had what they needed because I checked for them. I have also used my personal vehicle to go pick up piddly parts for customers who needed them right away. I can't do that for everybody every time, but I do what I can.

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Come on now. The website ate my work order? That is completely disconnected from reason and would not fly in most any other industry. Dealers get away with it because they control whether a person can get to work (keep the roof over their head) or not.


You definitely haven't worked for a dealer. Things like website forms fall through the cracks easily.
 
Okaaaay.....My appt for a dealer OC (NOTHING else, just oil/filter, MY o/f) was for 11:40... I got there @ 11:30...

They pulled my car towards the OC area @ 11:40...
One hour later no work has started on my car...

...I complained...saying that I set the appt. so I could get to MY work on time....

They began work on the car @ 12:50...1 hour 10 min after the appt.

...AND I watched as they began to check the air filterS and let air OUT of the tires (I run them high)

I told them to stop and bring the car down to me...pointing to the service tech to "get me outta here"

He comp'd the OC....tells me I MAY need new filters...riiiiiight....

I look under the hood and see the battery terminal cover off the + post...the next day I go to look at the engine filter and see one of 2 bolts clamping down the filter housing IS MISSING...called and informed the dealer that they need to replace the bolt and did so a week later when I was in the dealer's neighborhood...

THAT'S frustration....
 
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
That's the real issue then.

Did you set the appointment via their website, or over the phone with an actual service writer? I wouldn't trust any dealer website for setting a service appointment. Did they provide any confirmation beforehand?


This, when my dealer setup online appointments they literally went into the trash can for years. Even having an appointment is no guarantee your car is going to get worked on first, it just helps the dealer plan the day. Priority before appointments are warranty repairs and emergency vehicles.


Sounds like the typical loser dealership with yahoo's running it. I guess if that is the level of service you provide and folks show up its working.

Locally our dealers sometimes trip up when using them however the Subaru one typically will drop me off home if I ask and one time owner(neighbor) dropped off car.
 
ITT: We're parts not service writers so it's not our fault. You don't work for a dealer so you don't know. I can't make everyone happy. Ughh, I guess I'll do something because we're a team. I'm just so very busy I'll get to your scheduled appt when I get to it.

Pathetic. You guys have no idea how to run a business which is why you are where you are. The dealer management has EVERY idea how to run a business which is why this situation sucks. They cra*p on you, you cra*p on the customer because you can't control yourselves. They let you cra*p on the customer because, what are they going to do? (blackmail) and it conditions the customer to expect cra*p and accept mediocrity. Do you guys really think anyone here has had a different experience dealing with the parts "specialists"? Nothing but apathy. It's amazing you think you're fooling anyone with this supposed view on the inside.

No prob by me. Last time I went to the local Honda dealer they apparently had signed some deal with AC Delco aftermarket. Their lineup of the day's jobs consisted of box after box of genuine AC Delco maintenance parts and of course the flavor-of-the-month FI cleaner (lol). The parts dept itself consisted of a few rows of bit parts and what looked like a bouncer to make sure the techs didn't walk off with stuff. This is a 40-bay, Honda only campus.

Tons of dealers are chains that can easily leverage centralized parts orders and local warehousing. People are getting used to even the smallest repairs taking days which means parts don't even have to be onsite. They apparently don't mind supplying aftermarket on a grand scale anymore, and AZ/AAP even offer things like molded hoses and ECUs. How long until your little parts kingdom becomes a new break room for management?

Don't sweat it though. Maybe you guys could reapply as service writers, with your award-winning attitudes and all.
 
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Hopefully it will get fixed soon. I was surprised you got rid of your cream puff older Accord.


Yep she was a cream puff for sure, I actually said goodbye when I was removing my Honda branded front licence plate...I felt pretty sad leaving her there
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I do have a reason behind the trade in but Ill keep that to myself.
Am I the only one who noticed this?
 
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
That's the real issue then.

Did you set the appointment via their website, or over the phone with an actual service writer? I wouldn't trust any dealer website for setting a service appointment. Did they provide any confirmation beforehand?


This, when my dealer setup online appointments they literally went into the trash can for years. Even having an appointment is no guarantee your car is going to get worked on first, it just helps the dealer plan the day. Priority before appointments are warranty repairs and emergency vehicles.


My Honda dealership did the same thing. Revamped the website to schedule service appointments on-line and it went to [censored] too. Of course this happened about the same time Honda went to maintenance minder codes popping up on the display instead of giving the customer credit for being able to read his odometer and manual and know what should be done. now they just want to do whatever the codes tell them, regardless of what the customer wants.
My maintenance minder was going to go out to about 13000 miles for the first oil change on my civic. I know you're supposed to leave it in for the full service interval, but that's just too long for me to trust. So when I took it in, I had to argue to get the work done, and then argue again to also have the filter replaced, as Honda says every other change. 13000 miles on factory oil and 26000 miles! on factory filter. No way on my car. I'll do 7500 on 0-W20 and new filter each time, and if the dealership would rather turn away business, it will go elsewhere. Physical limitations prevent me doing it myself.
 
Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
I dread going to my local Honda dealership for the power steering fluid and transmission fluid. It is always crowded and the coffee they have is horrible.


DIY for under 2 hours and it's very inexpensive. I just bought a case of DW-1 ATF for my 2005 Civic. Drain / refill ATF takes half hour., also the power steering.

Go for a drive and the next day when car is cool, do another drain/refill for ATF and PS fluid.
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Hopefully it will get fixed soon. I was surprised you got rid of your cream puff older Accord.


Yep she was a cream puff for sure, I actually said goodbye when I was removing my Honda branded front licence plate...I felt pretty sad leaving her there
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I do have a reason behind the trade in but Ill keep that to myself.
Am I the only one who noticed this?


Maybe it reminds him of an ex GF that is no longer in his life ?

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After reading the wall of text rant, I do not know if we have a bad dealership here or a hyperactive customer expectations?

I suspect it is somewhere in the middle.
 
Originally Posted By: Hootbro
After reading the wall of text rant, I do not know if we have a bad dealership here or a hyperactive customer expectations?

I suspect it is somewhere in the middle.


+1, dealerships can be very frustrating but so can the customers they cater to.
 
Originally Posted By: B20z
ITT: We're parts not service writers so it's not our fault. You don't work for a dealer so you don't know. I can't make everyone happy. Ughh, I guess I'll do something because we're a team. I'm just so very busy I'll get to your scheduled appt when I get to it.

Pathetic. You guys have no idea how to run a business which is why you are where you are. The dealer management has EVERY idea how to run a business which is why this situation sucks. They cra*p on you, you cra*p on the customer because you can't control yourselves. They let you cra*p on the customer because, what are they going to do? (blackmail) and it conditions the customer to expect cra*p and accept mediocrity. Do you guys really think anyone here has had a different experience dealing with the parts "specialists"? Nothing but apathy. It's amazing you think you're fooling anyone with this supposed view on the inside.

No prob by me. Last time I went to the local Honda dealer they apparently had signed some deal with AC Delco aftermarket. Their lineup of the day's jobs consisted of box after box of genuine AC Delco maintenance parts and of course the flavor-of-the-month FI cleaner (lol). The parts dept itself consisted of a few rows of bit parts and what looked like a bouncer to make sure the techs didn't walk off with stuff. This is a 40-bay, Honda only campus.

Tons of dealers are chains that can easily leverage centralized parts orders and local warehousing. People are getting used to even the smallest repairs taking days which means parts don't even have to be onsite. They apparently don't mind supplying aftermarket on a grand scale anymore, and AZ/AAP even offer things like molded hoses and ECUs. How long until your little parts kingdom becomes a new break room for management?

Don't sweat it though. Maybe you guys could reapply as service writers, with your award-winning attitudes and all.


Quite the temper tantrum. No, I don't know how to run a business, nor am I a website developer, or in charge of IT. So how am I [censored] on customers by pointing out that dealer websites are a joke?

Your 40 bay Honda dealer is doing nothing but a few FI cleanings and maintenance jobs with AC Delco parts? You know this how? And you went into the back of the parts dept and saw that there were only a few bins? Sounds like a [censored] dealer if that's really the case, why do you continue to patronize it? Why not go somewhere else? If that dealer won't stock their parts department or do major repairs, I'm sure there is one who will. More than likely though, there is a lot more going on at that 40 bay Honda dealer than you realize. BTW - dealers don't "sign deals" with aftermarket parts brands...that's not how it works.

The parts department where I work is the major source of profit for the dealer, followed by the body shop. Not from retail walk ins though, and certainly not from people who scream and spew about parts people [censored] on them. We sell parts all over the Southeast to wholesale customers. That's why I have no problem referring retail customers to other sources for parts.

The idea of dealers or any shop stalling on repairs is ridiculous. They want the ticket closed quick too. If they are busy, they are busy. If it's too busy for your schedule, go somewhere else. It's really that simple.

The only award winning attitude I see here is you. It's not surprising your interactions with people at your dealer are apparently poor. I'm sure they will be thrilled if you buy your parts elsewhere.
 
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Quite the temper tantrum. No, I don't know how to run a business, nor am I a website developer, or in charge of IT. So how am I [censored] on customers by pointing out that dealer websites are a joke?


Because you always seem to come up with the option that blames the customer and leaves the dealer smelling like roses. It's the customers fault the dealer site sucks? It's the customers fault that the site gives a reservation that goes to the circular file? Why defend something that you know to be wrong? Do you honestly think that the more you defend the dealer the less likely you are to be let go? Life lesson ahead there. If you're just trying to let us know "how it is" at a dealer with this, we got it: they don't give a [censored].

Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Your 40 bay Honda dealer is doing nothing but a few FI cleanings and maintenance jobs with AC Delco parts? You know this how? And you went into the back of the parts dept and saw that there were only a few bins? Sounds like a [censored] dealer if that's really the case, why do you continue to patronize it? Why not go somewhere else? If that dealer won't stock their parts department or do major repairs, I'm sure there is one who will. More than likely though, there is a lot more going on at that 40 bay Honda dealer than you realize. BTW - dealers don't "sign deals" with aftermarket parts brands...that's not how it works.


The "parts dept" (what was left of it) was completely visible. The counter remained and on it was groups of boxes with workorders attached (daily jobs). The only Honda parts were filters and drain washers. ALL other boxes were AC Delco. Brakes, cooling, suspension, et al. I could easily see that the rest of the space was occupied by only a few shelves with common Honda replacement SKUs. The rest was a monster AC Delco display. I verified with an employee that they order everything that isn't on those shelves in as needed and that this was what was left of the parts dept. This is your future.

Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
The parts department where I work is the major source of profit for the dealer, followed by the body shop. Not from retail walk ins though, and certainly not from people who scream and spew about parts people [censored] on them. We sell parts all over the Southeast to wholesale customers. That's why I have no problem referring retail customers to other sources for parts.


The key word is consolidation. The part orders make money for the dealership. You don't. You standing there providing [censored]-poor CS and barely caring about your job because the customers are so mean and because "F" the dealership certainly doesn't help your chances. They'll offload you as soon as ordering in costs them less than you carrying a box to the counter and taking 15 minutes to do a writeup. Internet sales going well? Grand! Open a warehouse that serves the dealership (on one-day delay) and online sales. You're out on your butt and don't expect anyone to care. If customers truly had an option they'd never darken the current dealer network doorstep ever again. They're begging for an alternative. So keep on fanning the flames.

Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
The idea of dealers or any shop stalling on repairs is ridiculous. They want the ticket closed quick too. If they are busy, they are busy. If it's too busy for your schedule, go somewhere else. It's really that simple.


... says the man-in-charge while twirling his mustache. There is no "somewhere else" when most EVERYWHERE else conducts business like this. As least for now. It's all in how you handle it (I know, again with the CS). If the rep apologizes and it's a one-time delay, no reasonable person would blow their stack. When it's time after time, and appts mean nothing, and no one seems to care about their jobs while demanding $150/hr then people get angry. Dealership employees don't even keep up the charade anymore.

Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
The only award winning attitude I see here is you. It's not surprising your interactions with people at your dealer are apparently poor. I'm sure they will be thrilled if you buy your parts elsewhere.


I do buy my parts elsewhere, and I'm touched by your evaluation of my attitude. My presence at the Honda dealer was only to pick up a family member who was being accosted by a service writer (shocker). They aren't MY dealer, I assure you. I buy parts from sources that at least seem to value my business and I sing their praises from the rooftops. It doesn't matter anyway, this isn't the first dealer I've seen with an apparent side-deal to aftermarket and the AZ/AAP/Napa cars are in the dealer parking lots more and more often. They're coming for you... smile!
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
I dread going to my local Honda dealership for the power steering fluid and transmission fluid. It is always crowded and the coffee they have is horrible.


DIY for under 2 hours and it's very inexpensive. I just bought a case of DW-1 ATF for my 2005 Civic. Drain / refill ATF takes half hour., also the power steering.

Go for a drive and the next day when car is cool, do another drain/refill for ATF and PS fluid.


+1. At least do the PSF yourself. The Honda reservoir is perfectly setup for a turkey baster (or fluid extractor if you want to get fancy). As long as your fluid isn't sludge a few drain and fills will be perfect. Use Honda PSF or Prestone for Honda/Acura (if you feel comfortable doing so) and you've probably saved yourself over $50 and 1hr+ of boredom.
 
Your description of your Honda dealer sounds absurd and like no dealer parts department I have seen.

We already have the warehouse, actually a much bigger one than our last, and online sales...your speculation is about a decade behind the curve.

BTW - I just sent another retail walk in down to Napa. Yep, took a big 'ol [censored] on that guy I guess. He seemed pretty happy though.

You sound like a center of the universe type customer. One of those people who is adversarial right off the bat, accuses everyone of ripping them off, but sits there and says "I can ONLY go to such and such dealer." There are plenty of somewhere elses, both indies and dealers. Vote with your money instead of crying about it and accusing people you have never bought parts from of [censored] on customers.

Originally Posted By: B20z
It doesn't matter anyway, this isn't the first dealer I've seen with an apparent side-deal to aftermarket and the AZ/AAP/Napa cars are in the dealer parking lots more and more often. They're coming for you... smile!


This shows how clueless you are about this entire thing. There is no "side-deal" conspiracy, if I need a battery for a 2011 Altima on the used lot I call the parts store.
 
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Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Your description of your Honda dealer sounds absurd and like no dealer parts department I have seen.

We already have the warehouse, actually a much bigger one than our last, and online sales...your speculation is about a decade behind the curve.

BTW - I just sent another retail walk in down to Napa. Yep, took a big 'ol [censored] on that guy I guess. He seemed pretty happy though.

You sound like a center of the universe type customer. One of those people who is adversarial right off the bat, accuses everyone of ripping them off, but sits there and says "I can ONLY go to such and such dealer." There are plenty of somewhere elses, both indies and dealers. Vote with your money instead of crying about it and accusing people you have never bought parts from of [censored] on customers.


Ha. I do vote with my money. I explained that. Guess you aren't much for reading either.

Enjoy your narrow field of view and good 'ol boy take-it-or-leave-it network while it lasts. Suck that dealer teat dry buddy. I can only hope that the future has absolutely no use for your kind of worker.

(BTW: if I ever came across a resume listing "dealer parts associate" or "dealer service writer" the laugh I would get while pinning it to the dartboard would be priceless. You might want to leave that off of your work history. I usually believe in finding the good in people but of course there are limits).
 
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
This shows how clueless you are about this entire thing. There is no "side-deal" conspiracy, if I need a battery for a 2011 Altima on the used lot I call the parts store.


You're right, there is no "conspiracy". The definition of conspiracy:

a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

The display was in plain sight. The boxes were in plain sight. No secrets. The dealership has done nothing wrong, and in fact has only improved by (hopefully) offloading several employees in serious need of attitude adjustments. I don't approve of going to a dealer for aftermarket parts so I wouldn't patronize that establishment. Some people don't care and to them I say bravo. Anything else I can clear up for you?
 
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