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I do believe its 2 layers,it says so and shows it.
Originally Posted By: daman
Just going by this...
"•Dual-layered synthetic and cellulose filter media
•Durable metal screen"
http://m.fram.com/oil_filters/ultra.html
Looks like conflicting info on FRAM's website. No mention of "cellulose blend".
Here it says:
"Dual layer synthetic media reinforced with a durable metal screen to deliver up to 15,000 miles of engine protection."
Scroll down to the ULTRA filter info:
http://fram.com/products/oil_filters/product_list?select_region=1
But here, near the bottom of the webpage it makes it sound like there is a blend of full synthetic and cellulose material. FRAM could be a little more clear IMO.
http://fram.com/products/oil_filters/fram_ultra_oil_filter
Just going by this...
"•Dual-layered synthetic and cellulose filter media
•Durable metal screen"
http://m.fram.com/oil_filters/ultra.html
Looks like conflicting info on FRAM's website. No mention of "cellulose blend".
Here it says:
"Dual layer synthetic media reinforced with a durable metal screen to deliver up to 15,000 miles of engine protection."
Scroll down to the ULTRA filter info:
http://fram.com/products/oil_filters/product_list?select_region=1
But here, near the bottom of the webpage it makes it sound like there is a blend of full synthetic and cellulose material. FRAM could be a little more clear IMO.
http://fram.com/products/oil_filters/fram_ultra_oil_filter
Hmmmm something isn't right yea.As posted in my above post.
look at the technology tab.
•By adding microscopic synthetic fibers, small windows are created that trap the smaller dirt particles without affecting the flow of oil. Blending synthetic fibers with cellulose increases a filter’s dirt-trapping efficiency and its dirt-holding capacity for higher levels of engine protection and longer filter life.
look at the technology tab.
•By adding microscopic synthetic fibers, small windows are created that trap the smaller dirt particles without affecting the flow of oil. Blending synthetic fibers with cellulose increases a filter’s dirt-trapping efficiency and its dirt-holding capacity for higher levels of engine protection and longer filter life.
It clearly shows 2 layers,un less there web site as stated isn't updated?
Originally Posted By: daman
It clearly shows 2 layers,un less there web site as stated isn't updated?
One place on FRAM's website talks about dual layer synthetic media, and the other place talks about a dual layer synthetic/cellulose media blend. The text on the box just says dual layer synthetic media.
It clearly shows 2 layers,un less there web site as stated isn't updated?
One place on FRAM's website talks about dual layer synthetic media, and the other place talks about a dual layer synthetic/cellulose media blend. The text on the box just says dual layer synthetic media.
Originally Posted By: daman
Hmmmm something isn't right yea.As posted in my above post.
look at the technology tab.
•By adding microscopic synthetic fibers, small windows are created that trap the smaller dirt particles without affecting the flow of oil. Blending synthetic fibers with cellulose increases a filter’s dirt-trapping efficiency and its dirt-holding capacity for higher levels of engine protection and longer filter life.
Notice is says on FRAM's website [ http://fram.com/products/oil_filters/fram_ultra_oil_filter ]:
"Advanced Oil Filter Media Gives The FRAM Advantage
With an ideal balance of dirt-trapping efficiency and dirt-holding capacity, every FRAM oil filter uses filter media with a special blend of fibers and resin providing excellent engine protection."
Is the ULTRA really full synthetic? Kind of hard to tell from the way FRAM has advertised it on their own website.
Hmmmm something isn't right yea.As posted in my above post.
look at the technology tab.
•By adding microscopic synthetic fibers, small windows are created that trap the smaller dirt particles without affecting the flow of oil. Blending synthetic fibers with cellulose increases a filter’s dirt-trapping efficiency and its dirt-holding capacity for higher levels of engine protection and longer filter life.
Notice is says on FRAM's website [ http://fram.com/products/oil_filters/fram_ultra_oil_filter ]:
"Advanced Oil Filter Media Gives The FRAM Advantage
With an ideal balance of dirt-trapping efficiency and dirt-holding capacity, every FRAM oil filter uses filter media with a special blend of fibers and resin providing excellent engine protection."
Is the ULTRA really full synthetic? Kind of hard to tell from the way FRAM has advertised it on their own website.
Why the dual layer then,if its synthetic media like RP,NP etc why the layers,dirt holding? others state the same and only have one layer.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: daman
Hmmmm something isn't right yea.As posted in my above post.
look at the technology tab.
•By adding microscopic synthetic fibers, small windows are created that trap the smaller dirt particles without affecting the flow of oil. Blending synthetic fibers with cellulose increases a filter’s dirt-trapping efficiency and its dirt-holding capacity for higher levels of engine protection and longer filter life.
Notice is says on FRAM's website [ http://fram.com/products/oil_filters/fram_ultra_oil_filter ]:
"Advanced Oil Filter Media Gives The FRAM Advantage
With an ideal balance of dirt-trapping efficiency and dirt-holding capacity, every FRAM oil filter uses filter media with a special blend of fibers and resin providing excellent engine protection."
Is the ULTRA really full synthetic? Kind of hard to tell from the way FRAM has advertised it on their own website.
I dont think it is.
Originally Posted By: daman
Hmmmm something isn't right yea.As posted in my above post.
look at the technology tab.
•By adding microscopic synthetic fibers, small windows are created that trap the smaller dirt particles without affecting the flow of oil. Blending synthetic fibers with cellulose increases a filter’s dirt-trapping efficiency and its dirt-holding capacity for higher levels of engine protection and longer filter life.
Notice is says on FRAM's website [ http://fram.com/products/oil_filters/fram_ultra_oil_filter ]:
"Advanced Oil Filter Media Gives The FRAM Advantage
With an ideal balance of dirt-trapping efficiency and dirt-holding capacity, every FRAM oil filter uses filter media with a special blend of fibers and resin providing excellent engine protection."
Is the ULTRA really full synthetic? Kind of hard to tell from the way FRAM has advertised it on their own website.
I dont think it is.
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Is the ULTRA really full synthetic? Kind of hard to tell from the way FRAM has advertised it on their own website.
I dont think it is.
I think the ULTRA is full synthetic, because if you read the specs on all these FRAM filters they will say if there is also cellulose in the media. They have no mention of cellulose blend for the ULTRA in this product link.
http://fram.com/products/oil_filters/product_list
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Is the ULTRA really full synthetic? Kind of hard to tell from the way FRAM has advertised it on their own website.
I dont think it is.
I think the ULTRA is full synthetic, because if you read the specs on all these FRAM filters they will say if there is also cellulose in the media. They have no mention of cellulose blend for the ULTRA in this product link.
http://fram.com/products/oil_filters/product_list
Conflicting for sure.
ZeeOSix - The pic you posted is accurate. Its on the box of an ultra purchased 2 weeks ago.
daman - With you on the dual layering now. Being a different media from the Xtended Guard it gives a different appearance, as if its one layer. Looking at the side by side pics, the Xtended guard had a different color media at each layer, perhaps a different type. Maybe the Ultra is 2 layers of the same media woven together. Who knows. But I'm not following you to the Fram haters club, where you suggest Fram is lying about using synthetic media. I clearly see synthetic media, not cardboard stiff cellulose.
daman - With you on the dual layering now. Being a different media from the Xtended Guard it gives a different appearance, as if its one layer. Looking at the side by side pics, the Xtended guard had a different color media at each layer, perhaps a different type. Maybe the Ultra is 2 layers of the same media woven together. Who knows. But I'm not following you to the Fram haters club, where you suggest Fram is lying about using synthetic media. I clearly see synthetic media, not cardboard stiff cellulose.
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
ZeeOSix - The pic you posted is accurate. Its on the box of an ultra purchased 2 weeks ago.
daman - With you on the dual layering now. Being a different media from the Xtended Guard it gives a different appearance, as if its one layer. Looking at the side by side pics, the Xtended guard had a different color media at each layer, perhaps a different type. Maybe the Ultra is 2 layers of the same media woven together. Who knows. But I'm not following you to the Fram haters club, where you suggest Fram is lying about using synthetic media. I clearly see synthetic media, not cardboard stiff cellulose.
Yes i choose not to use them and that's my right but "following me to the FHC???" really? and where did i say fram is lying? I'm just wonder why the conflicting information? so is the web site right or the box not giving the in depth info?
ZeeOSix - The pic you posted is accurate. Its on the box of an ultra purchased 2 weeks ago.
daman - With you on the dual layering now. Being a different media from the Xtended Guard it gives a different appearance, as if its one layer. Looking at the side by side pics, the Xtended guard had a different color media at each layer, perhaps a different type. Maybe the Ultra is 2 layers of the same media woven together. Who knows. But I'm not following you to the Fram haters club, where you suggest Fram is lying about using synthetic media. I clearly see synthetic media, not cardboard stiff cellulose.
Yes i choose not to use them and that's my right but "following me to the FHC???" really? and where did i say fram is lying? I'm just wonder why the conflicting information? so is the web site right or the box not giving the in depth info?
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
ZeeOSix - The pic you posted is accurate. Its on the box of an ultra purchased 2 weeks ago.
daman - With you on the dual layering now. Being a different media from the Xtended Guard it gives a different appearance, as if its one layer. Looking at the side by side pics, the Xtended guard had a different color media at each layer, perhaps a different type. Maybe the Ultra is 2 layers of the same media woven together. Who knows. But I'm not following you to the Fram haters club, where you suggest Fram is lying about using synthetic media. I clearly see synthetic media, not cardboard stiff cellulose.
Yes i choose not to use them and that's my right but "following me to the FHC???" really? and where did i say fram is lying? I'm just wonder why the conflicting information? so is the web site right or the box not giving the in depth info?
Yes, its your right not to use Fram or like them either. I said your "suggesting" Fram is lying about using synthetic repeatedly on this thread because you see the word cellulose. I said FHC because your splitting hairs over Frams use of the word synthetic when the meaning of synthetic for anything is unclear. When a Pennzoil bottle says full synthetic we could doubt that because it uses Hydrocracked Group III petroleum base stocks. Thats all, nothing was meant to be personal. Sorry if it was. BTW, I'm not a Fram lover or hater, just using them right now. I like trying and testing everything, no loyalty here.
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
ZeeOSix - The pic you posted is accurate. Its on the box of an ultra purchased 2 weeks ago.
daman - With you on the dual layering now. Being a different media from the Xtended Guard it gives a different appearance, as if its one layer. Looking at the side by side pics, the Xtended guard had a different color media at each layer, perhaps a different type. Maybe the Ultra is 2 layers of the same media woven together. Who knows. But I'm not following you to the Fram haters club, where you suggest Fram is lying about using synthetic media. I clearly see synthetic media, not cardboard stiff cellulose.
Yes i choose not to use them and that's my right but "following me to the FHC???" really? and where did i say fram is lying? I'm just wonder why the conflicting information? so is the web site right or the box not giving the in depth info?
Yes, its your right not to use Fram or like them either. I said your "suggesting" Fram is lying about using synthetic repeatedly on this thread because you see the word cellulose. I said FHC because your splitting hairs over Frams use of the word synthetic when the meaning of synthetic for anything is unclear. When a Pennzoil bottle says full synthetic we could doubt that because it uses Hydrocracked Group III petroleum base stocks. Thats all, nothing was meant to be personal. Sorry if it was. BTW, I'm not a Fram lover or hater, just using them right now. I like trying and testing everything, no loyalty here.
Here's a link to a cut open Ultra. Looks like one layer of wire backed media to me. I've seen several Extended Guards cut open and they were definitely multiple layers.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2713128
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2713128
Look guys, I posted pics of the media here. I have a cut open X2 right here on my desk. I have seen other cut open Ultras.
1) They are full synthetic.
2) Unless they very recently changed BACK to dual layer synthetic (which was the setup when the Ultra was called the Extended Guard), or I totally got it wrong, then they are a single layer of synthetic material.
3) "Motorking," AKA Jay Buckley, told me in person that they are single layer synthetic and that they had recently (as of my fall visit to the Fram lab) changed to single layer when XG evolved to Ultra (plus they gained some efficiency.
4) I have emailed Jay Buckley to find out for sure and will follow up here.
1) They are full synthetic.
2) Unless they very recently changed BACK to dual layer synthetic (which was the setup when the Ultra was called the Extended Guard), or I totally got it wrong, then they are a single layer of synthetic material.
3) "Motorking," AKA Jay Buckley, told me in person that they are single layer synthetic and that they had recently (as of my fall visit to the Fram lab) changed to single layer when XG evolved to Ultra (plus they gained some efficiency.
4) I have emailed Jay Buckley to find out for sure and will follow up here.
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I really don't care if it has one or two layer. All these things we speak of (endcaps, media density, etc) only are inputs.
I care about outputs; how well does this filter perform?
It has an excellent efficiency, and a very high capacity for holding contamination, and it is robust. It works great and is a very fine filter for the price right now. It's total overkill for many standard OCIs applications; you'd not really meet the ROI. But for extended OCIs, I think it's one of the better choices out there right now.
I care about outputs; how well does this filter perform?
It has an excellent efficiency, and a very high capacity for holding contamination, and it is robust. It works great and is a very fine filter for the price right now. It's total overkill for many standard OCIs applications; you'd not really meet the ROI. But for extended OCIs, I think it's one of the better choices out there right now.
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