Fram Ultra XG10060 5000 miles use

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Fram Ultra XG10060 was in service about 5000 miles and 8 months of use. Looks pretty good. Came off my coworkers 2018 Dodge daytona charger 5.7 HEMI. Supertech 0w20 full syn oil was used. Replaced with Protec WIX PXL57502 and same Supertech full syn 0W20
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Same filter called for our 08 Malibu LTZ 3.6 and our 17 Buick Regal GS 2.0T, hate those minuscule filters. :rolleyes:
 
I'll cut open the Protec WIX I put on it next time I change oil. I've used several of those PXL57502's on my grand marquis and they've all looked great when I cut them open.
 
Same filter called for our 08 Malibu LTZ 3.6 and our 17 Buick Regal GS 2.0T, hate those minuscule filters. :rolleyes:
I'm not a huge fan of these tiny filters either but they seem to do a pretty good job. I'm surprised they put that small of a filter on a V8. Anything bigger we can put on this thing? filter is vertical and has a ton of room all the way around it.
 
I'm not a huge fan of these tiny filters either but they seem to do a pretty good job. I'm surprised they put that small of a filter on a V8. Anything bigger we can put on this thing? filter is vertical and has a ton of room all the way around it.
The XG10575 is taller, fits OK, but has a higher bypass (22 PSI). I have one on the Express in my sig (actually a Purolator One PL22500) to run short intervals with HPL EC 30, it’s still getting carbon & carbon dust in the filter. RGT is cleaning some, but HPL+RGT is going to clean even faster!
 
That’s probably correct except if you are in Edmonton when it’s 40 below and your oil pump spring starts dumping oil back to the pan because your oil filter bypass doesn’t want to open. ;)
if you r oil pump can’t make 22 PSI… prolly time for a rebuild.
 
if you r oil pump can’t make 22 PSI… prolly time for a rebuild.
In the case of a pre 2014 Chevy LS engine the pump will produce somewhere around 40 psi. If the cold oil causes a restriction at the filter, and the bypass will not open until it gets to 22 psi differential ( 62 psi measured at the pump), the spring loaded relief valve will open up and dump oil back into the pan.
 
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That’s probably correct except if you are in Edmonton when it’s 40 below and your oil pump spring starts dumping oil back to the pan because your oil filter bypass doesn’t want to open. ;)
It really depends on how the filter flows, meaning its actual dP vs flow curve, and as the oil viscosity changes. Just because a filter has a high set bypass valve doesn't automatically mean it has a really high dP vs flow curve. The bypass valve could also be set higher to ensure less bypassing at really cold temperatures when the oil is very thick.

Engine oiling systems are typically 15 times more flow restrictive than the oil filter. So in a situation where it's 40 below, even with a 0W oil, the oil pump is probably going to be cutting back some oil flow (even at low RPM) until the oil warms up some. An oil grade higher than 0W at temps that cold would of course be worse in terms of making the filter bypass and the pump cut back flow. Fring up engines at 40 below should ideally be using 0W and/or a sump heater.
 
In the case of a pre 2014 Chevy LS engine the pump will produce somewhere around 40 psi. If the cold oil causes a restriction at the filter, and the bypass will not open until it gets to 22 psi differential ( 62 psi measured at the pump), the spring loaded relief valve will open up and dump oil back into the pan.
LS pumps (or similar pumps) with a spring loaded pressure relief valve will still be building some oil pressure after the relief valve starts opening if the oil is thick and the revs are higher. If you revved the engine pretty high with cold oil, you'll see higher than 62 PSI on the dash pressure gauge. There were some good LS oil pump discussions a while back in a few other threads.
 
So in the end go ahead go ahead and run 10575 instead of a 10060 but if you are thinking it will improve the longevity of your engine don’t be doing cold starts in Edmonton, or the depth of inland Alaska or in Minneapolis. ;)
 
So in the end go ahead go ahead and run 10575 instead of a 10060 but if you are thinking it will improve the longevity of your engine don’t be doing cold starts in Edmonton, or the depth of inland Alaska or in Minneapolis. ;)
If people are doing cold start-ups at 40 below without a sump/block heater, the oil W rating they use will probably have more of an impact than the choice between two filters with a maximum of 8-10 PSI difference in the bypass valve setting. Even if a filter with a higher bypass setting that causes the pump to cut back a little more flow, there will most likely still be enough flow to lubricate the engine. There are literally millions of vehicles being started up in those cold environments, and they all have filters with different bypass valve settings. If someone is concerned about the bypass setting, then only use filters that are specified for their engine.

Seems in the case of the Fram 10060 vs the 10575 - in all Fram model lines, so the bypass difference is not due to media differences - the bypass setting in the 10575 is higher and seems to be mostly speced for newer engines which may have pumps with more flow output, which would require a higher bypass setting mainly for cold start-up situations. When the oil is at operating temperatures, it's pretty hard to get an oil filter to hit bypass unless the filter is getting really loaded up and/or the engine is living near redline.
 
If people are doing cold start-ups at 40 below without a sump/block heater, the oil W rating they use will probably have more of an impact than the choice between two filters with a maximum of 8-10 PSI difference in the bypass valve setting. Even if a filter with a higher bypass setting that causes the pump to cut back a little more flow, there will most likely still be enough flow to lubricate the engine. There are literally millions of vehicles being started up in those cold environments, and they all have filters with different bypass valve settings. If someone is concerned about the bypass setting, then only use filters that are specified for their engine.

Seems in the case of the Fram 10060 vs the 10575 - in all Fram model lines, so the bypass difference is not due to media differences - the bypass setting in the 10575 is higher and seems to be mostly speced for newer engines which may have pumps with more flow output, which would require a higher bypass setting mainly for cold start-up situations. When the oil is at operating temperatures, it's pretty hard to get an oil filter to hit bypass unless the filter is getting really loaded up and/or the engine is living near redline.
Agree. The bypass in the 10575 was specifically changed for the 2014 and up Chevy LS engines with the variable flow oil pumps.
 
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