If I was spending up ward $8-10 or more for a spin on oil filter then Fram Ultra is the one I will use. The problem is, I had been using low end to mid range oil filters(anything less than $4, OCOD included) with 1 year/15k miles FCI in my 350k miles 20 years old LS400 without engine problems. I don't see a reason for spending more than $3-4 for an oil filter.
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Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
If I was spending up ward $8-10 or more for a spin on oil filter then Fram Ultra is the one I will use. The problem is, I had been using low end to mid range oil filters(anything less than $4, OCOD included) with 1 year/15k miles FCI in my 350k miles 20 years old LS400 without engine problems. I don't see a reason for spending more than $3-4 for an oil filter.
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I'm really kind of leaning towards cheaper filters myself.For years,I used Mobil 1 filters,then got into the K&N oil filters.Lately though,I'm leaning towards cheaper filters.I'm not a Fram kinda guy,but I'm thinking of going Fram Ultra or maybe even motorcraft filter on my next oil change coming up.
If I was spending up ward $8-10 or more for a spin on oil filter then Fram Ultra is the one I will use. The problem is, I had been using low end to mid range oil filters(anything less than $4, OCOD included) with 1 year/15k miles FCI in my 350k miles 20 years old LS400 without engine problems. I don't see a reason for spending more than $3-4 for an oil filter.
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I'm really kind of leaning towards cheaper filters myself.For years,I used Mobil 1 filters,then got into the K&N oil filters.Lately though,I'm leaning towards cheaper filters.I'm not a Fram kinda guy,but I'm thinking of going Fram Ultra or maybe even motorcraft filter on my next oil change coming up.
Originally Posted By: PurpleT
Agreed, thanks for taking the time and spending the money. Too bad some people cannot be more appreciative and show some consideration.
+1 I have a supply of FU but haven't used one yet. If it "ticks" on the Accord,
I can use them up on the Altima since they use the same filter.
Agreed, thanks for taking the time and spending the money. Too bad some people cannot be more appreciative and show some consideration.
+1 I have a supply of FU but haven't used one yet. If it "ticks" on the Accord,
I can use them up on the Altima since they use the same filter.
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yea thanks..... I still think that oil filter could cause oil restriction... Plus I really do not like the way the bypass valve is... I felt the should of updated the bypass valve...
However if your not worried about oil restriction and perhaps you use a thin oil and for the price its a good deal...
Also Fram went on and on to say the End caps mean nothing on there you tube video and say they stick to OEM format... But now they put Metal end caps??? Its like they going back on there word...
Id rather use a nice Napa Gold or even MANN... Or Mahle , I have a nice Ultra 8 Brand for my next Oil Change....
I just do not trust Fram.. Did you see that video on You tube where even the Fram Ultra filter fails??? the guy takes it off his car and when he shakes the filter you can hear broken filter inside... I bet its the bypass valve.. I would think b.c oil restriction the bypass valve is used or open when you go long OCI and it finally failed.. I think he said he had 10000 miles on the Fram Ultra.
However thank you so much for pics
However if your not worried about oil restriction and perhaps you use a thin oil and for the price its a good deal...
Also Fram went on and on to say the End caps mean nothing on there you tube video and say they stick to OEM format... But now they put Metal end caps??? Its like they going back on there word...
Id rather use a nice Napa Gold or even MANN... Or Mahle , I have a nice Ultra 8 Brand for my next Oil Change....
I just do not trust Fram.. Did you see that video on You tube where even the Fram Ultra filter fails??? the guy takes it off his car and when he shakes the filter you can hear broken filter inside... I bet its the bypass valve.. I would think b.c oil restriction the bypass valve is used or open when you go long OCI and it finally failed.. I think he said he had 10000 miles on the Fram Ultra.
However thank you so much for pics
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Bypass valve...note, on all the Frams Ive cut open (fitting Hondas) the bypass valve is very close to the pressure required to open the OEM bypass valve.
How did you determine if the bypass valve opens at the specified delta-P?......
I dont really....
So what you're really saying is it's purely an opinion not based on empirical data. In other words, there's no scientific basis for that statement. Also called the 'halo effect'. Got it.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Bypass valve...note, on all the Frams Ive cut open (fitting Hondas) the bypass valve is very close to the pressure required to open the OEM bypass valve.
How did you determine if the bypass valve opens at the specified delta-P?......
I dont really....
So what you're really saying is it's purely an opinion not based on empirical data. In other words, there's no scientific basis for that statement. Also called the 'halo effect'. Got it.
Originally Posted By: David1
yea thanks..... I still think that oil filter could cause oil restriction... Plus I really do not like the way the bypass valve is... I felt the should of updated the bypass valve...
However if your not worried about oil restriction and perhaps you use a thin oil and for the price its a good deal...
Also Fram went on and on to say the End caps mean nothing on there you tube video and say they stick to OEM format... But now they put Metal end caps??? Its like they going back on there word...
Id rather use a nice Napa Gold or even MANN... Or Mahle , I have a nice Ultra 8 Brand for my next Oil Change....
I just do not trust Fram.. Did you see that video on You tube where even the Fram Ultra filter fails??? the guy takes it off his car and when he shakes the filter you can hear broken filter inside... I bet its the bypass valve.. I would think b.c oil restriction the bypass valve is used or open when you go long OCI and it finally failed.. I think he said he had 10000 miles on the Fram Ultra.
However thank you so much for pics
The metal end caps are on the filters with synthetic media. The rest of their line has the fiber end caps. This is because the fiber can't be bonded well enough (strong enough) to the synthetic media.
All manufacturers have defective parts. A while back I took off two Purolator made Motorcraft filters (from different cars/trucks) that did the same thing. While I didn't dissect them, I'm guessing that the spring in the bottom had failed since it felt like the whole filter element was rattling around.
yea thanks..... I still think that oil filter could cause oil restriction... Plus I really do not like the way the bypass valve is... I felt the should of updated the bypass valve...
However if your not worried about oil restriction and perhaps you use a thin oil and for the price its a good deal...
Also Fram went on and on to say the End caps mean nothing on there you tube video and say they stick to OEM format... But now they put Metal end caps??? Its like they going back on there word...
Id rather use a nice Napa Gold or even MANN... Or Mahle , I have a nice Ultra 8 Brand for my next Oil Change....
I just do not trust Fram.. Did you see that video on You tube where even the Fram Ultra filter fails??? the guy takes it off his car and when he shakes the filter you can hear broken filter inside... I bet its the bypass valve.. I would think b.c oil restriction the bypass valve is used or open when you go long OCI and it finally failed.. I think he said he had 10000 miles on the Fram Ultra.
However thank you so much for pics
The metal end caps are on the filters with synthetic media. The rest of their line has the fiber end caps. This is because the fiber can't be bonded well enough (strong enough) to the synthetic media.
All manufacturers have defective parts. A while back I took off two Purolator made Motorcraft filters (from different cars/trucks) that did the same thing. While I didn't dissect them, I'm guessing that the spring in the bottom had failed since it felt like the whole filter element was rattling around.
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
I don't see a reason for spending more than $3-4 for an oil filter.
Agreed.
I've posted this before...my ex-wife's car was purchased with 87,xxx on the clock and it now has 175,xxx. I only use Motorcraft filters (it's a Ford) purchased at Wally's for $3.97. I seriously doubt using an FU, or a K&N or an AMSOIL would have made any difference.
I don't see a reason for spending more than $3-4 for an oil filter.
Agreed.
I've posted this before...my ex-wife's car was purchased with 87,xxx on the clock and it now has 175,xxx. I only use Motorcraft filters (it's a Ford) purchased at Wally's for $3.97. I seriously doubt using an FU, or a K&N or an AMSOIL would have made any difference.
That FU looks impressive. Thanks for the pics!
I've become less "afraid" to use Fram, even an OCOD. Call me a convert -- however, for the price, I still believe there are better options for a low end (5k OCI) filter.
I've become less "afraid" to use Fram, even an OCOD. Call me a convert -- however, for the price, I still believe there are better options for a low end (5k OCI) filter.
fram made honda oem filter ?
Originally Posted By: sir1900
That FU looks impressive. Thanks for the pics!
I've become less "afraid" to use Fram, even an OCOD. Call me a convert -- however, for the price, I still believe there are better options for a low end (5k OCI) filter.
Me too...All I ever heard was FRAM is [censored]. But now that I have cut them open I see they are not bad at all. And I would run any of these with confidence, some are meant for short OCI, and if you go longer than that its at your own risk. But the Fram made Honda OEM A02 and the Ultra are both excellent and I would run either for a long OCI.
That FU looks impressive. Thanks for the pics!
I've become less "afraid" to use Fram, even an OCOD. Call me a convert -- however, for the price, I still believe there are better options for a low end (5k OCI) filter.
Me too...All I ever heard was FRAM is [censored]. But now that I have cut them open I see they are not bad at all. And I would run any of these with confidence, some are meant for short OCI, and if you go longer than that its at your own risk. But the Fram made Honda OEM A02 and the Ultra are both excellent and I would run either for a long OCI.
Originally Posted By: DragRace
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
If I was spending up ward $8-10 or more for a spin on oil filter then Fram Ultra is the one I will use. The problem is, I had been using low end to mid range oil filters(anything less than $4, OCOD included) with 1 year/15k miles FCI in my 350k miles 20 years old LS400 without engine problems. I don't see a reason for spending more than $3-4 for an oil filter.
*This
I'm really kind of leaning towards cheaper filters myself.For years,I used Mobil 1 filters,then got into the K&N oil filters.Lately though,I'm leaning towards cheaper filters.I'm not a Fram kinda guy,but I'm thinking of going Fram Ultra or maybe even motorcraft filter on my next oil change coming up.
Your fleet of Fords would do well with Motorcraft filters.
For my 03 Ranger I would not use anything else after a P1 gave me a slight start up rattle.
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
If I was spending up ward $8-10 or more for a spin on oil filter then Fram Ultra is the one I will use. The problem is, I had been using low end to mid range oil filters(anything less than $4, OCOD included) with 1 year/15k miles FCI in my 350k miles 20 years old LS400 without engine problems. I don't see a reason for spending more than $3-4 for an oil filter.
*This
I'm really kind of leaning towards cheaper filters myself.For years,I used Mobil 1 filters,then got into the K&N oil filters.Lately though,I'm leaning towards cheaper filters.I'm not a Fram kinda guy,but I'm thinking of going Fram Ultra or maybe even motorcraft filter on my next oil change coming up.
Your fleet of Fords would do well with Motorcraft filters.
For my 03 Ranger I would not use anything else after a P1 gave me a slight start up rattle.
Originally Posted By: David1
yea thanks..... I still think that oil filter could cause oil restriction... Plus I really do not like the way the bypass valve is... I felt the should of updated the bypass valve...
More "halo effect" analysis.
Doubt the Ultra is any more restrictive than say a PureOne. I'd like to see a "Flow vs PSID" bench test to compare to the PL14006 that SuperBusa had Purolator test for flow performance. Link:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...451#Post1619451
And there's nothing wrong with FRAM's bypass valve design. That subject has been hashed over many times. I actually think FRAM's bypass valve design is solid - like the fact it uses a coil spring and a high temperature nylon material valve which would tend to seal better than a metal-on-metal valve design.
Originally Posted By: David1
Also Fram went on and on to say the End caps mean nothing on there you tube video and say they stick to OEM format... But now they put Metal end caps??? Its like they going back on there word...
Some already explained why ... because the way the Ultra is built with multi-layers and metal wire backed media, they had to use metal end caps and potting material to ensure a good seal at the ends of the pleats.
Originally Posted By: David1
I just do not trust Fram.. Did you see that video on You tube where even the Fram Ultra filter fails??? the guy takes it off his car and when he shakes the filter you can hear broken filter inside... I bet its the bypass valve.. I would think b.c oil restriction the bypass valve is used or open when you go long OCI and it finally failed.. I think he said he had 10000 miles on the Fram Ultra.
Can you link up that YouTube video? I'd like to see that one.
yea thanks..... I still think that oil filter could cause oil restriction... Plus I really do not like the way the bypass valve is... I felt the should of updated the bypass valve...
More "halo effect" analysis.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...451#Post1619451
And there's nothing wrong with FRAM's bypass valve design. That subject has been hashed over many times. I actually think FRAM's bypass valve design is solid - like the fact it uses a coil spring and a high temperature nylon material valve which would tend to seal better than a metal-on-metal valve design.
Originally Posted By: David1
Also Fram went on and on to say the End caps mean nothing on there you tube video and say they stick to OEM format... But now they put Metal end caps??? Its like they going back on there word...
Some already explained why ... because the way the Ultra is built with multi-layers and metal wire backed media, they had to use metal end caps and potting material to ensure a good seal at the ends of the pleats.
Originally Posted By: David1
I just do not trust Fram.. Did you see that video on You tube where even the Fram Ultra filter fails??? the guy takes it off his car and when he shakes the filter you can hear broken filter inside... I bet its the bypass valve.. I would think b.c oil restriction the bypass valve is used or open when you go long OCI and it finally failed.. I think he said he had 10000 miles on the Fram Ultra.
Can you link up that YouTube video? I'd like to see that one.
Greg you are turning into one of my BITOG heroes!
Thanks for cutting and posting, great write up again.
Thanks for cutting and posting, great write up again.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: David1
yea thanks..... I still think that oil filter could cause oil restriction... Plus I really do not like the way the bypass valve is... I felt the should of updated the bypass valve...
More "halo effect" analysis.
Doubt the Ultra is any more restrictive than say a PureOne. I'd like to see a "Flow vs PSID" bench test to compare to the PL14006 that SuperBusa had Purolator test for flow performance. Link:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...451#Post1619451
And there's nothing wrong with FRAM's bypass valve design. That subject has been hashed over many times. I actually think FRAM's bypass valve design is solid - like the fact it uses a coil spring and a high temperature nylon material valve which would tend to seal better than a metal-on-metal valve design.
Originally Posted By: David1
Also Fram went on and on to say the End caps mean nothing on there you tube video and say they stick to OEM format... But now they put Metal end caps??? Its like they going back on there word...
Some already explained why ... because the way the Ultra is built with multi-layers and metal wire backed media, they had to use metal end caps and potting material to ensure a good seal at the ends of the pleats.
Originally Posted By: David1
I just do not trust Fram.. Did you see that video on You tube where even the Fram Ultra filter fails??? the guy takes it off his car and when he shakes the filter you can hear broken filter inside... I bet its the bypass valve.. I would think b.c oil restriction the bypass valve is used or open when you go long OCI and it finally failed.. I think he said he had 10000 miles on the Fram Ultra.
Can you link up that YouTube video? I'd like to see that one.
Here is the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NexBveNFZjg
it failed after 4800 miles
Fram Ultra XG2 15,000 Mile Filter failed after 4,800 Miles in a 3.0L Duratech Engine Mobil 1 Oil
I think its b/c the leaf spring..... If fram would just use a Coil Spring they would not have that problem.
Originally Posted By: David1
yea thanks..... I still think that oil filter could cause oil restriction... Plus I really do not like the way the bypass valve is... I felt the should of updated the bypass valve...
More "halo effect" analysis.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...451#Post1619451
And there's nothing wrong with FRAM's bypass valve design. That subject has been hashed over many times. I actually think FRAM's bypass valve design is solid - like the fact it uses a coil spring and a high temperature nylon material valve which would tend to seal better than a metal-on-metal valve design.
Originally Posted By: David1
Also Fram went on and on to say the End caps mean nothing on there you tube video and say they stick to OEM format... But now they put Metal end caps??? Its like they going back on there word...
Some already explained why ... because the way the Ultra is built with multi-layers and metal wire backed media, they had to use metal end caps and potting material to ensure a good seal at the ends of the pleats.
Originally Posted By: David1
I just do not trust Fram.. Did you see that video on You tube where even the Fram Ultra filter fails??? the guy takes it off his car and when he shakes the filter you can hear broken filter inside... I bet its the bypass valve.. I would think b.c oil restriction the bypass valve is used or open when you go long OCI and it finally failed.. I think he said he had 10000 miles on the Fram Ultra.
Can you link up that YouTube video? I'd like to see that one.
Here is the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NexBveNFZjg
it failed after 4800 miles
Fram Ultra XG2 15,000 Mile Filter failed after 4,800 Miles in a 3.0L Duratech Engine Mobil 1 Oil
I think its b/c the leaf spring..... If fram would just use a Coil Spring they would not have that problem.
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Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
How many times do I have to say it: Per square inch of media, lofted synthetic fiber media is far less restrictive then cellulose given equal efficiency. One engineer told me it can be as much as 50% more flow.
Exactly, per square inch of media, and the media of the synthetic is way thicker than cellulose. I agree that syn filters flow better than cellulose, but in my application the FU made my engine tick at start up, while the better flowing Honda OEM did/does not.
How many times do I have to say it: Per square inch of media, lofted synthetic fiber media is far less restrictive then cellulose given equal efficiency. One engineer told me it can be as much as 50% more flow.
Exactly, per square inch of media, and the media of the synthetic is way thicker than cellulose. I agree that syn filters flow better than cellulose, but in my application the FU made my engine tick at start up, while the better flowing Honda OEM did/does not.
Anyone see the Video? The Fram Ultra clearly failed... did you see?
here is link to video again.
and after 4800 miles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NexBveNFZjg
here is link to video again.
and after 4800 miles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NexBveNFZjg
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Originally Posted By: gregk24
Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
How many times do I have to say it: Per square inch of media, lofted synthetic fiber media is far less restrictive then cellulose given equal efficiency. One engineer told me it can be as much as 50% more flow.
Exactly, per square inch of media, and the media of the synthetic is way thicker than cellulose. I agree that syn filters flow better than cellulose, but in my application the FU made my engine tick at start up, while the better flowing Honda OEM did/does not.
If it was a tick on start-up after vehicle has been sitting awhile then goes away in a few seconds, then it's more likely a leaky ADBV.
Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
How many times do I have to say it: Per square inch of media, lofted synthetic fiber media is far less restrictive then cellulose given equal efficiency. One engineer told me it can be as much as 50% more flow.
Exactly, per square inch of media, and the media of the synthetic is way thicker than cellulose. I agree that syn filters flow better than cellulose, but in my application the FU made my engine tick at start up, while the better flowing Honda OEM did/does not.
If it was a tick on start-up after vehicle has been sitting awhile then goes away in a few seconds, then it's more likely a leaky ADBV.
Originally Posted By: David1
Anyone see the Video? The Fram Ultra clearly failed... did you see?
here is link to video again.
and after 4800 miles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NexBveNFZjg
Yes, I recall the threads here about the filter. Motorking (Jay) at FRAM had him send it back, and then FRAM gave him some free new filters. In the YouTube comments, he says FRAM never cut it open, but I think Jay said they did ... how else would they know what happened. Think FRAM said the leaf spring failed (?). Per comments on YT, looks like the OP/maker of the YT video was apparently banned from BITOG and his posts deleted ... strange.
Anyone see the Video? The Fram Ultra clearly failed... did you see?
here is link to video again.
and after 4800 miles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NexBveNFZjg
Yes, I recall the threads here about the filter. Motorking (Jay) at FRAM had him send it back, and then FRAM gave him some free new filters. In the YouTube comments, he says FRAM never cut it open, but I think Jay said they did ... how else would they know what happened. Think FRAM said the leaf spring failed (?). Per comments on YT, looks like the OP/maker of the YT video was apparently banned from BITOG and his posts deleted ... strange.
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